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Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011






Muldoon

Sisal Two-Step posted:

I disagree and here's why,

why do you hate me

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GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013


spouse posted:

If you're trying to make a prescriptive claim, you really should be able to argue any position from a non-emotional perspective, using data to trace a logical path to substantiate your claim.

I have found the sort of people who demand this sort of thing are generally incapable of following it anyway, in addition to starting, themselves, with all sorts of emotional priors and prejudices they straight up refuse to acknowledge because it might reveal their motivated reasoning.

Also, they usually use the "logic required" thing to dismiss not just emotions but *any* sort of initial value judgement held by the other person which is... prescriptive claims can only exist within a value defined context. You can't do logic without a starting point.

I frequently get frustrated with people's inability to understand, articulate, ot lay out the logic behind their arguments, but "logician" bros are always, without exception, worse on all those fronts than a normal person.

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007


GlyphGryph posted:

I have found the sort of people who demand this sort of thing are generally incapable of following it anyway, in addition to starting, themselves, with all sorts of emotional priors and prejudices they straight up refuse to acknowledge because it might reveal their motivated reasoning.

Also, they usually use the "logic required" thing to dismiss not just emotions but *any* sort of initial value judgement held by the other person which is... prescriptive claims can only exist within a value defined context. You can't do logic without a starting point.

I frequently get frustrated with people's inability to understand, articulate, ot lay out the logic behind their arguments, but "logician" bros are always, without exception, worse on all those fronts than a normal person.
Anyone who claims to be logical and uninfluenced by emotions is literally the opposite--they are entirely captive to their own out-of-control emotions that they refuse to acknowledge exist.

Logic and emotions are not opposites, but in fact cannot exist without each other.

spouse
Nov 10, 2008

When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.



GlyphGryph posted:

Also, they usually use the "logic required" thing to dismiss not just emotions but *any* sort of initial value judgement held by the other person which is... prescriptive claims can only exist within a value defined context. You can't do logic without a starting point.

I frequently get frustrated with people's inability to understand, articulate, ot lay out the logic behind their arguments, but "logician" bros are always, without exception, worse on all those fronts than a normal person.

Agreed, I meant you should be able to separate emotions from the logic of your position (at least until you hit axiomatic values, anyway), not discard their value.

Speaking of axioms, this is incredibly online of me, and no one here has to watch it, but the OP this whole discussion is based on reminded me so much of this video: https://youtu.be/-nMdgzMF8Bc

"Do you know how loving stupid you sound when you say that?" Healthy relationship lol.

Peaceful Anarchy
Sep 18, 2005
sXe
I am the math man.



Kenshin posted:

Logic and emotions are not opposites, but in fact cannot exist without each other.
My computer has emotions?

Logic and emotions are perfectly separable, it's just that they each have severe limitations when used independently of each other. Also, when talking about the complex world we live in we can never have all the facts required for whatever pure logic debatebeings think is possible to reach meaningful conclusions, not to mention that how others feel is also a fact that would have to be taken into account. On the flip side the "I feel it in my gut and you'll never convince me otherwise" people are just as bad. Their opinions are more easily dismissed since they're more transparent, but their level of self absorption is not much different.

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007


Peaceful Anarchy posted:

My computer has emotions?

Logic and emotions are perfectly separable, it's just that they each have severe limitations when used independently of each other. Also, when talking about the complex world we live in we can never have all the facts required for whatever pure logic debatebeings think is possible to reach meaningful conclusions, not to mention that how others feel is also a fact that would have to be taken into account. On the flip side the "I feel it in my gut and you'll never convince me otherwise" people are just as bad. Their opinions are more easily dismissed since they're more transparent, but their level of self absorption is not much different.
This isn't really the place for this discussion, but the ideas of human/philosophical logic and the programmed logic a computer uses are a bit different.

Logic and emotions and whether they are separable is an active philosophical debate, and I favor the position of Dr. Robert Solomon who argues that they are strongly reliant on each other and cannot be fully separated. Pure logic cannot make decisions--at some point if you dig deep enough, a sort of preference for one result or another must be present for decisions to occur, and preferences do rely on our emotions.

Peaceful Anarchy
Sep 18, 2005
sXe
I am the math man.



Kenshin posted:

a sort of preference for one result or another must be present for decisions to occur, and preferences do rely on our emotions.
Yes, but this is different from saying they can't exist without each other. You're saying we can't make decisions without them interacting, which is fair enough, but something different. The computer's logic is human logic separated out so that the human "emotional input" comes in its construction and use. I feel like this is mostly semantic at this point, though. I agree that people who think they are capable of logically analyzing facts and think they don't bring emotions into it are incorrect, just not with the sweeping statements about "logic" and "emotion" as processes/concepts.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.


I gently caress my computer and cum in it

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

Gather the wind
Though the wind won't help you fly at all



Ed. Ehhh I don't need to do this

betaraywil fucked around with this message at 00:57 on May 24, 2021

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.



Tetramin posted:

I gently caress my computer and cum in it

:gb2yospos:

Peaceful Anarchy
Sep 18, 2005
sXe
I am the math man.



I (28F) think my dad (62M) and husband (29M) conned me into marrying him.

quote:

My dad has personally picked all of my siblingsí spouses. When I was 20, I had a boyfriend who I believed was the love of my life, I wanted to marry him but my dad didnít approve. He didnít like his family, didnít like his career aspirations and didnít think he was ďman enoughĒ. He ended up driving him away. After that, I vowed to myself that I would never marry the man my dad picked for me.

When I met my current husband, my dad hated him at first which just made me like him more. Weíve been married for close to 2 years and our relationship is really good. My dad did a complete 180 after we got engaged and he started treating my husband really well. I assumed it was because he realised that no matter what he said or did, I would marry him.

Iím currently staying with my older sister and she said something that makes me suspect that they both ran a long con on me and everyone but me knew. I was telling her how I was surprised by the fact that my dad really liked my husband and she said ďYouíre not that stupid right? Dad wanted you to marry him from the start.Ē I told her she was wrong and that my dad didnít even know my husband until I introduced them, and she gave me a look like I was really dumb. I tried to ask her for more information, but she told me to just forget it.

I get this isnít much to go on but I just have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach right now. I have a good marriage, Iím genuinely happy but I also feel extremely angry now.

I go home in two days and I want to confront them both but I donít know what to say. I also donít want to cause issues in case it isnít true and Iím misunderstanding. What do I say?

TL;DR Ė My dad has picked all of the spouses of my siblings. I made it clear I wouldnít marry someone he picked for me. However, my sister said something that makes me suspect that they may have conned me. She told me my dad wanted me to marry my husband from the start and looked at me like I was stupid when I said she was wrong

spouse
Nov 10, 2008

When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.



Peaceful Anarchy posted:

I (28F) think my dad (62M) and husband (29M) conned me into marrying him.

Yeesh, I mean, if dad just pretended not to like the guy because he liked him, then he's just clever. She said it herself, dad hating him made her like the husband more.

If there's a secret plot about the dad setting them up and the husband pretending not to know, I look forward to the Hallmark movie next year or the double homicide trial covered by Nancy Grace.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


Iím confused he hated a dude the first time and it worked, but he completely changed tactics because of a vow she made to herself?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010



Legit Cyberpunk



Midnight Voyager posted:

Land makes people lose their loving minds. In this case, "give me 1/5 the inheritance" is the exact wrong solution because you cannot sell it at 1/5 size. You need to sell it and then split the proceeds. For some reason, insane heirs cannot be talked into doing this, at least in my experience. Even if the kids don't hate each other, you just can't get them to understand that it would be vastly easier to sell the normal-sized parcel of land and split the money vs splitting it into unusable bits that nobody wants.

It's divisible easily if you take a single step. They won't because MAH LAND

me and my siblings have a fairly involved inheritance in common and we're all stepping verrry carefully to not end up hating each other.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009



Grimey Drawer

Peaceful Anarchy posted:

There must be something more, because their birthdays are in different months. Wouldn't it be easier to guilt the older sister into babysitting by giving her her own party on her own day, and then saying "well, today is your sister's day so you have to xxxx" rather than making the day be supposedly about both?

I am guessing the "something more" is that the parents can't be arsed to have two separate "inconveniences" but know they need to do SOMETHING to keep up appearances.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014



Peaceful Anarchy posted:

There must be something more, because their birthdays are in different months. Wouldn't it be easier to guilt the older sister into babysitting by giving her her own party on her own day, and then saying "well, today is your sister's day so you have to xxxx" rather than making the day be supposedly about both?

This presupposes that the average bad parent is some cynical mastermind who gets their way through thoughtful manipulation instead of a big lovely moron who gets their way by making angry chimp noises at the smaller weaker morons until they comply

DeadMansSuspenders
Jan 10, 2012

I wanna be your left hand man



"Enjoys going back to sleep", what the f.

Me [24F] with my boyfriend [27 M] of two years, he destroyed the painting I made for him because it was a "cheap gift".

quote:

My boyfriend John is extremely difficult to buy presents for. He came from an affluent family and has a great job, and buys everything he wants whenever he wants it. I am lower income. I lost my job a few months ago and had to take on other one, which pays less, and I am struggling to pay my part of the rent and pay off my student loans. It is difficult for him to understand this most of the time.

I love to paint. My boyfriend has said my paintings are very good and that he likes them a lot. Since my income is so low, I decided to paint my boyfriend a painting for his birthday (Saturday). I researched this for months beforehand. I decided to paint a scene from his favorite game, Bioshock, with him as a Big Daddy character. I know it sounds cheesey but I honestly thought he would like it because he always said I was talented and he loves this game. I poured a ton of work into it. A week before his birthday, he had been hinting heavily at wanting a new iPhone.

When I presented him with the painting, he asked me if this was his present and if I got him something else. I told him this was his present and that Iíd worked on it for months special for him. He got upset and told me a bunch of awful things, saying that itís a ďcheap and lazy giftĒ and that I was cheap in general. I was trying to diffuse the situation and I told him that I was sorry he didnít like it but I wasnít able to get him iPhone he wanted. He took the painting and he didnít tear it, but he sort of bent and crinkled it, completely ruining the paint. He told me that I obviously didnít care about what he wanted and that I was bad at budgeting and all of this ranting.

It came out that he resented paying for groceries and utilities even though heíd agreed to this before. I told him that if he wanted to discuss that we could but this wasnít a good reaction. He told me that I was just after him for money and that he didnít want a ďlovely paintingĒ when he could apparently be in a committed relationship with another girl at his workplace who makes more money. Then he told me ďbut I love youĒ as though it was an excuse for what he said. Then he said that this girl had brought him a red velvet cake for his birthday which is his favorite cake, which I didnít care about. I told him that I baked him a chocolate cake earlier in the week with cream cheese frosting and that is basically red velvet cake. He switched and said that she had gotten it from his favorite bakery, and some random girl knows which bakery he likes over me. I just went to bed. This morning heís gone and so is the painting. He sent me a text saying he went out to an Easter/birthday brunch with his parents and heíll be back soon.

Iím not sure if I want to end the relationship, which has a ton of commitment involved. He has never acted like this before about money, and I donít know whatís up, because heís not telling me. I think he might be interested in this other girl or at least jealous of how much money she makes compared to me. How am I even supposed to approach this? I am already feeling very hurt about the painting and Iím not sure thatís a good place to start another argument.

tl;dr: I painted my boyfriend a painting as a birthday present, and he ruined it because he wanted something more expensive. He resents the fact that I donít make as much money as him and is talking about another girl. Iím not sure if I should end the relationship now.

Ches Neckbeard
Dec 3, 2005



How about a return to inheritance bullshit with some pointless attempts at emotional blackmail and toothless legal threats.

AITA For Not Paying For My Stepchildren's College?

quote:

Throwaway Account

I (49) have two stepchildren "Leo" (19m) and "Adam" (17m). I entered their lives when they were 7 and 5 and despite my efforts they never warmed up to me. I wasn't trying to be their "mom" but just another loving parental figure. They told their dad how much they didn't like me when told them that we were engaged and told my husband that they didn't want him to get married.

Their dad reassured them that they would always be a big part of his life and asked them to give me a chance. We even went to their mother for help but she refused. They refused to come to the wedding and wouldn't spend the holidays with their dad if I was there. I was hurt over it for a very long time but eventually grew to accept that this is how things were going to be and just tried to focus on my own children. Although my husband always held out hope that one day we could all be one big happy blended family.

Tragically my husband passed away in an accident. It was hard and after the funeral Leo and Adam never reached out to us again. They barely acknowledged their half-siblings (9m and 9f) at family events with my husband's side of the family and I was sad for them. Fast forward to now and my niece, SIL's daughter, is going to college and I agreed to give her $30,000 after sophomore year. My husband loved his sister and niece so I was more than happy to do it.

Word got back to Leo and Adam and they learned that their father had a huge life insurance policy that I was the sole beneficiary of plus my side business is now turning over a sizable profit. They reached out to me angry that I was hoarding their father's money and threatening to sue if I didn't tell them how much I got and get half. I was upset but calmly explained to them that 1) Life insurance isn't the same as an inheritance so they had no legal claim to it 2) When I initially received the pay out I gave some to their mom to hold on to them until they were of age. They didn't believe me until I sent them proof and apparently their mom used the money to cover living costs and there was nothing left for them.

Since I used some of the insurance money to fund my business MIL is asking me to pay for Leo and Adam to go to school, but I don't want to. They literally haven't spoken to me in years and the first time they do it's to demand money. MIL asked me to think of my own children and how Leo and Adam may take out their resentment towards me on them. If that's the case then I don't care to foster a relationship between them AITA?

Scaevolus
Apr 16, 2007



I like how life insurance is an entirely separate system from the estate or normal inheritance proceedings-- it's a contract with a company to pay specific people if you die, and doesn't get tangled in lawsuits.

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.



Scaevolus posted:

I like how life insurance is an entirely separate system from the estate or normal inheritance proceedings-- it's a contract with a company to pay specific people if you die, and doesn't get tangled in lawsuits.

Reminds me of companies taking out life insurance policies on their employees.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012



Scaevolus posted:

I like how life insurance is an entirely separate system from the estate or normal inheritance proceedings-- it's a contract with a company to pay specific people if you die, and doesn't get tangled in lawsuits.

I'll still gently caress with my heirs from beyond the grave by borrowing against it and giving the money to one son, so the other son knows that his brother has robbed him of "his" money.

Minrad
Sep 26, 2007




I recently discovered my current gf is one of these people and I dunno how to proceed. If it ever gets to the stage of moving in together I'll probably suggest keeping separate bedrooms so we don't need to sleep together on a night she's working.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.



Minrad posted:

I recently discovered my current gf is one of these people and I dunno how to proceed. If it ever gets to the stage of moving in together I'll probably suggest keeping separate bedrooms so we don't need to sleep together on a night she's working.

Separate bedrooms is the poo poo, and when you sleep together, separate blankets. My girlfriend gyrates like a fish in the night so I usually only sleep in her bed a few times a week, and the separation of space has really been dope. While it probably would be cheaper if we rented a one bedroom, a two bedroom is marginally more expensive where I live and oftentimes cheaper. So, it's a win-win arrangement that I thought would be weird at first but has been absolutely excellent. YMMV.

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009



AITA for telling my husband's cousin that she can't compare her loss to mine?

quote:

My 2-year-old daughter passed away early last year. It has been hell on my husband and I. Weíre slowly putting the pieces of our lives back together but I know itíll never be the same. Most people in our lives have been great, others say things they think are helpful but honestly arenít. I try to ignore them for the most part because I know theyíre well meaning.

However, my husband has a cousin, A. She told me for months she understood how I was feeling because she lost three children. I had never heard about this and was shocked, as Iíve known her 10 years. She then elaborated and said that she had tried IVF with three embryos a little before I met my husband. None took. She views them as children. While I respect that and do not undermine how hard it is for IVF to fail (we had two failed attempts before I got pregnant with our daughter), I donít think itís comparable. She had hopes and dreams, but she was never pregnant. They never existed. I didnít feel this way with people who compared miscarriages to me losing my daughter because I get it, no matter how far along you are, you can be attached. But this just seemed like a huge stretch.

I tried to let it go, but anytime Iíd talk about my daughter or make a post about her, A would talk about her embryos. Not just in a ďI know how you feelĒ but basically direct the entire conversation back to her so she could talk about it.

I started getting annoyed. I told her that she was never pregnant. Itís a loss, of course, but she cannot keep comparing it to my daughter that I carried in my stomach, then cared for 2 years and got to know, love on and then had to watch slowly deteriorate (she was diagnosed with cancer at 11 months). A got upset and said I was ďgatekeepingĒ loss and that I canít tell her what a loss is. I said I was never trying to undermine her loss but she canít keep comparing it to mine.

Now a good chunk of my husbandís family is mad at me. AITA?

Owlspiracy
Nov 4, 2020




one of those people... who has to have an alarm go off every hour all night long? how is that a thing?

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007




I like waking up and realizing I can go back to sleep enough that I did it for awhile, but apparently it's not good for you so now I only do it once in a blue moon

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005



I'm almost 100% sure that twitter post about alarms is a joke.

Barudak
May 7, 2007



I assume its a joke but its such a vile one Im still mad

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013




I always set three alarms. One for when I should get up, one for when I have to get up, and one in the middle of them. I usually get up at the first one, but I am a super heavy sleeper and the extra security from multiple alarms has saved my rear end more than once.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007


Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952





The Chad Jihad posted:

I like waking up and realizing I can go back to sleep enough that I did it for awhile, but apparently it's not good for you so now I only do it once in a blue moon

I used to enjoy working my snooze button for an hour or so. I effectively got extra REM sleep in 15 minutes intervals. Doing it with a set alarm for hours, and when you aren't sleeping alone, that's just cruel to your partner.

Minrad
Sep 26, 2007



Serephina posted:

I'm almost 100% sure that twitter post about alarms is a joke.

it's not, there are literally people who punch snooze every 15 minutes for hours instead of just setting an alarm for when they want to wake up

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012




Snoozing or setting two alarms tops is fine, but alarms every fifteen minutes for hours is loving insane and how are you getting any decent sleep????

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy

Serephina posted:

I'm almost 100% sure that twitter post about alarms is a joke.

What about all the replies going "Oh yeah me too" sprinkled among the "What the gently caress"s?

teen witch posted:

Snoozing or setting two alarms tops is fine, but alarms every fifteen minutes for hours is loving insane and how are you getting any decent sleep????

He says the best part of sleeping is... uh, falling asleep after being woken up? Which is the world's most alien concept to me. He actively does it because he wants to wake up and then fall back asleep, not because he has any trouble waking up.

Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 06:37 on May 24, 2021

DeadMansSuspenders
Jan 10, 2012

I wanna be your left hand man



Serephina posted:

I'm almost 100% sure that twitter post about alarms is a joke.

Barudak posted:

I assume its a joke but its such a vile one Im still mad

Pretty much this. However I will say I won't share a bed with someone that needs more than 2 alarms in the morning. You get one hit of the snooze and that's it.

Content.
Six years ago...

Got into a verbal argument with my (30F) SIL (38F), went to bed, woke up to her cutting my hair.

quote:

She has been my sister-in-law for a year and we have never gotten along. She has always been rude and condescending to me. My husband wanted to visit his sister the day (Monday), and I reluctantly agreed. I tried my best to be civil, but she kept picking fights. She eventually started a verbal disagreement about how my husband could have done better than me etc. I tried to keep my cool and ignore her, but she eventually started screaming and my husband had to tell her to calm down and intervene.

I ended up going to bed (their guest room) and my husband and her husband stayed downstairs watching TV while SIL did the dishes. I dozed off and was awoken a while later by someone touching my hair. I sleepily thought it was my husband and rolled around and saw SIL snipping my hair with scissors. I immediately pushed her away and she ran out of the room. I went downstairs and informed my husband and his brother and showed them the cut strand. They both said that SIL "is immature and not let her get on your nerves".

I do not understand how they can be so passive and not think this is a big deal?!?!?! Am I overreacting? This is NOT normal behaviour for someone who is nearly 40 and I am so angry that she cut my hair while I was sleeping. I told my husband that I no longer want to visit her and he told me that I was acting like a drama queen and sinking to her level. What do I do??

TL;DR: Got into argument with SIL, woke up to her cutting my hair. Husband thinks I am being a drama queen.

DeadMansSuspenders fucked around with this message at 06:41 on May 24, 2021

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




I'ma guess that doing that for years fucks your sleeping habits up somehow even worse than mine.

DeadMansSuspenders
Jan 10, 2012

I wanna be your left hand man



My (34F) new boyfriend (40M) of 2 years asked me what I would do if my deceased husband came back to life, and didn't like my answer.

quote:

My husband passed away 7 years ago in a freak accident. This is the first guy I have seriously dated since.

We were talking about life and death when he asked me if I would leave him if my husband was somehow able to came back. I told him I don't know what I would do because I would be very confused, and he got angry at me and said that I am choosing my late husband over him. Now he won't even talk to me.

Did I say the wrong thing? I don't get why he's so upset about this.

tl;dr my boyfriend is upset about about a hypothetical and completely impossible scenario

Edit: I broke it off with him. I sent him one last message telling him how I felt and that I was willing to work through this if he wanted to, and he just sent me a bunch of rude messages back. So we are done and he's moving out.

DeadMansSuspenders
Jan 10, 2012

I wanna be your left hand man



4 years ago.
A text I sent to my (M24) GFs friend (F23) might have costed me my relationship because I was "rude"

quote:

Hi all, sorry if this is long in advance,

So this past Saturday, I was out at the bar with a few coworkers (I work at a hospital and one of my coworkers graduated from nursing school) there were 10 people with us in total, I was the one who planned the event and we were at one of our favorite bars having a good time when at around 2200 I got a text from my girlfriend saying,

"My friend just sent me this lol how funny is that?" Attached is a screenshot of a Snapchat of me sitting at a table of 10 next to a girl with the caption "I know I don't run your life but I'd never let my man be out with other girls"

I told her that was so funny and I was surprised that her friend didn't come say hello because before this we have hung out multiple times and get along really well.

My GF sent me another text about an hour later with another picture of me at a different bar dancing with a group of people that said, "look at him, there are all these girls, I know you trust him but wow" my girlfriend and I both laughed about it because her friend was and still is sleeping with a married man and constantly cheats with people.

A little later I get a text again with another picture of me getting into my DD's car. The DD happens to be a female and she had a full car (8 people in total). I just happened to climb in the front seat. My girlfriend said, "it looks like you habe a stalker hahaha better watch out or she's gonna get you, goodnight babe be safe"

In my drunkness I decided to text her friend and said,

"Friend, I would like to let you know, I am in a happy relationship with my GF and have no desire to change that, even when I am drinking. I have never and will never cheat on someone I am in a relationship with. I think you should take a good look in the mirror and stop projecting the undesirable traits you see in yourself onto others. Sleeping with a married man, living in their house as their nanny, and calling the wife of the man you are sleeping with your best friend is absolutely disgusting. She cried on your shoulder when she thought he was having an affair. You told her not to worry even though you were in fact sleeping with her husband. This puts you in a moral position where you should not and cannot be judging others if they plan on cheating, which again, I will not ever cheat on GF no matter how much you think I will. I hope you had a goodnight following me around instead of coming up and saying hello like a normal decent human being. I don't think we will be able to continue a friendly relationship from this point on, so I sincerely hope you get some professional help and have a decent life."

Monday, my girlfriend called me before I went to work and was livid that I sent the text to her friend, she told me I had no right to be so rude to her even if I was telling the truth. I told her it was for her own good and I in fact, took it easy on her and wasn't as rude as I could have been considering I was drinking and tend to be a lot more vulgar when I drink.

She told me she had to seriously think if our almost 4 year relationship is worth keeping because her friends are her life even though she has stated her disgust with the girl I was talking about because of her involvement with a married man. I told her that was ridiculous and that if I did any harm it was unintentional and is likely her friend realizing the consequences of her actions.

Anyways, what I am asking here is, should I apologize to her friend and try to make amends? I love my girlfriend more than anything, we have been together for almost 4 years and I can see myself with her for the rest of my life, how can I love past this?

TL;DR GF's friend stalked me and sent Snapchats to GF saying she should be with me at all times or I'll cheat. I responded to her by telling her to stop sleeping with married men. GF got mad at that and wants to take a good look at our relationship.

Snuff Melange
May 21, 2021

Grandfather's Blessing
Upon You


DeadMansSuspenders posted:

4 years ago.
A text I sent to my (M24) GFs friend (F23) might have costed me my relationship because I was "rude"


Can't even find any humor in this, just an ugly situation, yikes.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009



DeadMansSuspenders posted:

4 years ago.
A text I sent to my (M24) GFs friend (F23) might have costed me my relationship because I was "rude"

Guy's an idiot. He and gf were both having a laugh at the friend projecting hard enough to light up an imax screen, why not just leave it at that?

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MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Snuff Melange posted:

Can't even find any humor in this, just an ugly situation, yikes.

She definitely values the friendship with the trash fire of a friend over the 4 year relationship with her BF.

Hopefully they broke up.

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