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My opinion is that the thinking machine ban is all about how outsourcing human effort to computers makes us soft and weak. One of the major themes of the series is that hard places make hard men. The Sardaukar are such badasses because they are refined in the crucible of Salusa Secundus; the fremen are even more badass because Arrakis is even worse. So while we here in the modern era have been conditioned to view the threat of AIs as giant thinking brains named after Greek mythological figures stomping around in giant laser mechs and yeeting infants off of roofs, I'm not sure that was as ingrained in the sci fi reading consciousness in the 60s. The idea of a soft and weak Wall-E style civilization, one that is willing to abdicate all the work and striving and self-improvement that humans value to AI or to men who control that AI fits more neatly into Herbert's themes. IMO.
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Couldn't be us!
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galagazombie posted:There’s countless quotes in the real Dune books that all but state the jihad was an ideological war of man against man rather than the plot of Terminator. Sure the pro machine side undoubtedly used killbots, but it wasn’t a side led by killbots. The killbots are still around, even. One of them almost got Paul.
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# ? Apr 18, 2024 21:31 |
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Schwarzwald posted:The killbots are still around, even. One of them almost got Paul. And they're gonna gain ESP and come back and wipe out all of humanity, unless this talking giant worm's plan works out
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# ? Apr 18, 2024 21:34 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Chapterhouse implied an alarming amount (more than 0) was Frank’s actual intention. Yeah and Brian's claim that his dad would approve of him taking his notes/ideas and adding his own and continuing the story isn't very far-fetched, depending on their relationship.
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# ? Apr 18, 2024 21:41 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Chapterhouse implied an alarming amount (more than 0) was Frank’s actual intention. Maybe, or maybe that was where Frank wanted to go with the universe later on, but it might not have been his original idea. He was a weird old crank by the end of his life so you don't have to care what he says if you don't want to.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Maybe, or maybe that was where Frank wanted to go with the universe later on, but it might not have been his original idea. He was a weird old crank by the end of his life so you don't have to care what he says if you don't want to. It’s concerning that there are not that many less stupid options for scytale’s genetic chekov’s gun. If you have read Frank’s books and not anything about hunters or sandworms read the Wikipedia summaries, they’re hilarious. eg: quote:On the no-ship, rebel Bene Gesserit attempt to murder the Leto II ghola, but are foiled when he transforms into a sandworm. A good bit for a short story on ao3, but come on
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 00:13 |
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A lot of sci-fi authors manage to be surprisingly prescient when they write about technology not in terms of what technology can do, or even what forms it takes, but about people's relationship with technology and how they use it and treat it. Even the thing of exaggerating existing trends to sci-fi extremes has a basis in that, as how often people absolutely do take things as far as the technology they have will allow it. I'm not surprised that the crusade against thinking machines was less about the machines themselves and more the power they lend to those who they're programmed to obey. Heck, a fully sentient machine is something that can be reasoned with, agreements can be made with, which is a rather big theme in the series where moral ambiguity and the commonalities one can have with even their sworn enemies are major things. If anything, the mentions of prescient hunter-seeker drones are all too relevant nowadays in the age of automatic drone warfare used for genocidal brutality.
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 10:49 |
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No Mods No Masters posted:People seem to often criticize shields as a worldbuilding component, but demonstrably in the eyes of denis it's more integral than say the spacing guild. I guess ultimately who's a better judge of dune, posters or denis I believe the Westwood FMV directors!
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 12:05 |
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Shields are part of the settings. Becuse shields force mele combat. And that allow a individual to be good trough training. So you can have elites and a noble caste. This tool has killed more nobles than the guillotine, because the flecchetes can perforate the nobles armor and shields and is easy to use by peasants with no training.
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 12:51 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Chapterhouse implied an alarming amount (more than 0) was Frank’s actual intention. quote:Willis Mcnelly was a close friend of Frank (he gave the eulogy at the funeral) who wrote the Dune Encyclopedia after his many conversations with Frank about the world of Dune. I wish I could tell you the source for that quote, but I saw it and sent it to myself as a text message (I routinely do this with topics I'm interested in). It was so drat long ago that I seriously can't remember where it came from.
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:54 |
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gently caress Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson all my homeys hate Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson
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Kopmala posted:I wish I could tell you the source for that quote, but I saw it and sent it to myself as a text message (I routinely do this with topics I'm interested in). It was so drat long ago that I seriously can't remember where it came from. That sounds cooler than the skynet we got.
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# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:37 |
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Kopmala posted:I wish I could tell you the source for that quote, but I saw it and sent it to myself as a text message (I routinely do this with topics I'm interested in). It was so drat long ago that I seriously can't remember where it came from. Well drat
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Kopmala posted:I wish I could tell you the source for that quote, but I saw it and sent it to myself as a text message (I routinely do this with topics I'm interested in). It was so drat long ago that I seriously can't remember where it came from. It feels right, but there are a few things I’d point out: Cyborgs are in Chapterhouse Daniel and Marty are in Chapterhouse The Atreides are established in Children of Dune to truly be direct descendants of Atreus via Agamemnon which I believe makes the name about 25000 years old as of the first novel. (That’s a hell of a genetic curse)
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# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:18 |
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Daniel and Marty are fairly explicit in being face dancers. That being said, going back to Dune being a response to Asimov's Foundation, It wouldn't surprise me if Daniel was meant to be a reference to Asimov's character R. Daneel, who also shows up somewhat mysteriously in the last chapter of the Foundation series to hint at further mysteries. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Apr 20, 2024 |
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http://www.sinanvural.com/seksek/inien/tvd/tvd2.htm Here's a neat interview McNelly did of Frank & Beverly Herbert about Dune
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppU2GSrhHk8
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