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Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

My rampant shitposting has broke my brain beyond repair. I have no redeemable qualities and wish to be put out of my shitposting misery for good. TIA!

Chairman Capone posted:

How much of those books were actually Brian Herbert? I always figured it was essentially KJA writing them with Herbert's name on them as the cost of KJA being allowed to write in the universe.

the only thing i know about kevin j anderson is that i once read someone describing him as the secular science fiction counterpart to evangelical genre author jerry b jenkins, the guy behind "left behind"

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Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...

PeterWeller posted:

Robots being the ultimate enemy is hinted at by Siona's spice vision in God Emperor.

yeah....the robots are not the problem so much as the shoddy worldbuilding, terrible characterization, and incomprehensible plot.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.


Zurui posted:

yeah....the robots are not the problem so much as the shoddy worldbuilding, terrible characterization, and incomprehensible plot.

Yeah, I agree.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014

... the beats of the dead.

PeterWeller posted:

Robots being the ultimate enemy is hinted at by Siona's spice vision in God Emperor.

Doesn't mean they conquered us in a generic robot war.

the_enduser
May 1, 2006

[CENSORED]
(Content Violation)



DUNC ON EM

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.


Yeah, sorry if I gave the impression that I thought the nonsense in Hunters and Sandworms was Frank's idea. I was just pointing out that he hinted towards something with robots.

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019


the robots were implied to be tools of those who believed in 'machine thinking' not skynet

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.


Horizon Burning posted:

the robots were implied to be tools of those who believed in 'machine thinking' not skynet

Nah, I think Quinn misses the mark there. Leto II takes Siona out into his desert to show her that the Golden Path is necessary for human survival, that humanity will go extinct without it, not that humanity will fall back under the sway of 'machine thinking', a phrase that is never uttered during that journey. Siona then gets a vision of seeking machines hunting down the last members of humanity who have no escape anywhere.

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019


PeterWeller posted:

Nah, I think Quinn misses the mark there. Leto II takes Siona out into his desert to show her that the Golden Path is necessary for human survival, that humanity will go extinct without it, not that humanity will fall back under the sway of 'machine thinking', a phrase that is never uttered during that journey. Siona then gets a vision of seeking machines hunting down the last members of humanity who have no escape anywhere.

except that leto 2 also says that by making siona immune to prescience and spreading her anti-prescient genes or whatever, it prevents someone (pretty sure he names the ixians) from creating the seeking machines that will wipe out humanity. it's not the robots that are the true enemy, but the people who would create them. machine thinking is said to be what allowed people to create machines that enslaved other humans, killing them is just another step. the whole point is that 'machine thinking' allows humans to do things without thinking about doing it. like, say, creating self-replicating prescient murderbots. but again, not a skynet robot overlord scenario. leto 2 even calls machine thinking "the real danger."

it's like you only read that one bit of the first four novels lol

edit: leto 2 also says that without his efforts, the end of humanity would've already happened. without his efforts, some guy on ix would've been like, hey, what if we made this thing? i really, really doubt it was as simple as 'there are bad robots out there and they will come for us' like the loving reapers

Horizon Burning fucked around with this message at 10:48 on May 4, 2020

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011



Clipperton posted:

https://twitter.com/DuneAuthor/stat...741945653481472

Every time I see that "@DuneAuthor" handle I want to punch windows

Lol gently caress Brian Herbert

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.


Horizon Burning posted:

except that leto 2 also says that by making siona immune to prescience and spreading her anti-prescient genes or whatever, it prevents someone (pretty sure he names the ixians) from creating the seeking machines that will wipe out humanity. it's not the robots that are the true enemy, but the people who would create them. machine thinking is said to be what allowed people to create machines that enslaved other humans, killing them is just another step. the whole point is that 'machine thinking' allows humans to do things without thinking about doing it. like, say, creating self-replicating prescient murderbots. but again, not a skynet robot overlord scenario. leto 2 even calls machine thinking "the real danger."

it's like you only read that one bit of the first four novels lol

edit: leto 2 also says that without his efforts, the end of humanity would've already happened. without his efforts, some guy on ix would've been like, hey, what if we made this thing? i really, really doubt it was as simple as 'there are bad robots out there and they will come for us' like the loving reapers

Yeah, of course the seeker robots from Siona's vision have to be made by someone. Where did you get the idea I was talking about the Reapers? But the people who make them aren't the true enemy in Siona's vision. Those people are long gone because the robots in the vision are in the process of exterminating all of humanity.

Siona's gene doesn't prevent the invention of seeking machines: "Do not fear the Ixians... They can make the machines, but they can no longer make arafel," Leto II tells Siona and Duncan before he dissolves. People are free to do and invent whatever their hearts' desire in the Scattering. Siona's gene protects her descendants from being found by prescience or seeking machines. So no matter what is done or invented in the Scattering, there will always be at least one portion of humanity who can hide from it. Leto's Peace has already prevented humanity's extinction from a number of possible threats. The threat that Siona sees in her vision, the threat that would bring arafel, "the Cloud Judgment of Holy Darkness at the End of the Universe", and thus the ultimate threat to humanity, is seeking machines exterminating humans.

The whole point isn't that machine thinking leads people to do things without thinking about their consequences. It's not "oopsies, we created murderbots." The point of machine thinking is that it's an abdication of thought and agency. It's "what does the computer say we should do?" You said, "the robots were implied to be tools of those who believed in 'machine thinking'". But machine thinking isn't some belief system that people adhere to. It's a mindset that people succumb to. There are no machine thinking mastermind behind the murderbots in the vision because people who have succumbed to machine thinking no longer use enough of their own minds to be masters of anything.

But more importantly, Siona's vision showing her why she must survive the desert isn't people inventing or unleashing seeker robots; it's the seeker robots themselves. Why, when, and how they are created is immaterial to the threat they pose to humanity.

WarMECH
Dec 23, 2004

1/64


Exactly. In Dune the whole revolt against thinking machines is less fear of Terminators/Skynet and more WALL-E where humans become fully dependent.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

MonsieurChoc posted:

It's a bad movie but I have a soft spot for Dead or Alive because of the dad trying to be supportive of his daugther while beating the crap out of her.

Agreed on this. It's definitely got some variant of the Mortal Kombat energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNrKqxZuMDo

Bonk
Aug 4, 2002

Douche Baggins

I just went back and watched one of my favorite Villeneuve scenes, the border crossing sequence from Sicario. It's amazing what he does with tension in that scene, and it's a good 15 minutes or so with very little dialogue.

I'm stoked that he's directing the Sisterhood pilot too, assuming that's still a go with productions halted everywhere.

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003


Bonk posted:

I just went back and watched one of my favorite Villeneuve scenes, the border crossing sequence from Sicario. It's amazing what he does with tension in that scene, and it's a good 15 minutes or so with very little dialogue.

I'm stoked that he's directing the Sisterhood pilot too, assuming that's still a go with productions halted everywhere.

Have you seen Incendies? There’s a scene in there featuring a bus that is even more tense and well executed than that border crossing.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007





Lipstick Apathy

Getting near the end of Heretics and thought it had been pretty much on par for everything else, but just got to the "how many forms???" sex-nunnery and Miles Super-Teg, which is interesting just because its a character actually off on an adventure that isn't a pre-ordained mystical experience. Except it is because he's just evolved and everyone he meets is a secret agent working on his side. Or is he still under the t-probe? Let's find out! If anything I was sad the Tleilaxu got one chapter establishing them as a major old power and then like everything else they're quickly put in their place.

spanky the dolphin
Sep 3, 2006





Another crumb to overanalyse.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

I mean, it makes sense influence-wise, but that makes me think of this from Phantom Menace.

Last King
Sep 29, 2007

In corporate R'lyeh, Cthulhu works you.



Fun Shoe

spanky the dolphin posted:



Another crumb to overanalyse.

non binary? the lost opportunity...

https://www.tor.com/2020/04/16/dune...-be-non-binary/

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


MY GIMMICK IS POSTING GIBBERISH



I've seen that galaxy brain suggestion for a 50 year old work of fiction to be revised to fit modern gender ideas and the only redeeming feature is that it doesn't take itself too seriously. Also it doesn't engage at all with Leto II which like, if you want to talk about how Dune doesn't have transgender or agender characters that is a huge oversight. Or Alia, come to think of it.

Also I get the sense that Fenring is intersex and living as a man with a wife in a happy relationship, but Herbert mercifully doesn't feel the need to explain what he's got between his legs.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:24 on May 12, 2020

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




For that kind of stuff you want Jodo with the Imperoratriz and the Perfect Androgyne.

Or maybe you don't because it trnasofrms something normal into something mystical.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


spanky the dolphin posted:



Another crumb to overanalyse.

I assume this is the bit where the spice miner gets eaten?

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

They smelled of pubs, and Wormwood Scrubs, and too many right-wing meetings.

So I twatted them with a magic yo-yo. Because, hell, why not?


MrL_JaKiri posted:

I assume this is the bit where the spice miner gets eaten?
"It's insured," murmured the Duke.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


MY GIMMICK IS POSTING GIBBERISH



Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




https://twitter.com/preterniadotcom...8308680704?s=20

Dreadwroth2
Feb 28, 2019



MrL_JaKiri posted:

I assume this is the bit where the spice miner gets eaten?

Yeah that's what it looks like to me, like when they drop in to evacuate the crew.

Stryder
Oct 3, 2002



When I was a little kid looking through my dad's sci-fi books, I always assumed that cover wasn't literal. Now that I'm reading the entire series... hahaha...

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting


Fallen Rib

Crossquoting from the superior dunc thread

drunkill posted:

a much clearer look.

Yeah, shield module or something on his wrist.


The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


drunkill posted:

Crossquoting from the superior dunc thread

I wonder if Finn knows that Poe is just lending out his shirt to anyone.

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003


drunkill posted:

Crossquoting from the superior dunc thread

There’s another thread?

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008



Hell Gem

Jewmanji posted:

There’s another thread?

I don't recommend anyone read the other thread


It tastes of rear end ...and dirt.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


MY GIMMICK IS POSTING GIBBERISH



This is the Golden Thread. After 10,000 years of my perfect posting the goons will log off and go outside.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Exciting Lemon

Put your right post into the other thread.

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."


Just finished the book last night, and I'm slowly going over the lynch movie (haven't watched in maybe 15 years). What the hell is this voice activated laser thing? I don't remember anything like that in the book and it seems jarringly wacky to come up with that kind of device.

Paolomania
Apr 26, 2006



I cannot imagine 80's Hollywood being able to choreograph or convincingly sell military-supremacy-through-desert-woo-knife-fighting.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.



Kingtheninja posted:

Just finished the book last night, and I'm slowly going over the lynch movie (haven't watched in maybe 15 years). What the hell is this voice activated laser thing? I don't remember anything like that in the book and it seems jarringly wacky to come up with that kind of device.
Lynch replaced the weirding way with "weirding modules" because he thought "kung fu on sand dunes" would look bad. It's also kind of a narrative shorthand in a movie that already had too much exposition. "The Emperor is afraid of the Atreides because they developed these awesome weapons, and Paul trained the Fremen to use them" is more simple than "The Emperor is afraid of the Atreides because the Atreides special forces are almost as good as the Sardaukar, and the Fremen are even better than the Sardaukar, and then Paul taught them Bene Gesserit martial arts."

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Paolomania posted:

I cannot imagine 80's Hollywood being able to choreograph or convincingly sell military-supremacy-through-desert-woo-knife-fighting.

Now I'm imagining a Dune starring Steven Seagal as Paul.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Kingtheninja posted:

Just finished the book last night, and I'm slowly going over the lynch movie (haven't watched in maybe 15 years). What the hell is this voice activated laser thing? I don't remember anything like that in the book and it seems jarringly wacky to come up with that kind of device.

To be honest, the biggest change from the book is that there is very little politics in it which is impressive given that Dune is about 75% politics.

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."


I will say I think my favorite shot in the movie is Patrick Stewart bravely escorting the house pug away in what appears to be a baby Bjorn.

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SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

I am gently caressed by my SAnta


Fun Shoe

Kingtheninja posted:

I will say I think my favorite shot in the movie is Patrick Stewart bravely escorting the house pug away in what appears to be a baby Bjorn.

The movie has a lot of gold in it.

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