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Strom Cuzewon posted:I figure the "bring peace to Arrakis" is just them actually giving a reason for the Atreides to be on Arrakis. Because I swear the book doesn't actually give a public justification for the Emperor giving them Arrakis. It's just "oh we're moving to Dune now". And we know, and they know, that it's because he wants to betray the gently caress out of them, but obviously the Emperor can't come out and say that. Not a public reason but the Emperor's stated reason was because the Beast's oppressive rule had been disruptive and the Duke would bring order if I'm remembering right which would explain "bring peace to Arrakis".
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Because I swear the book doesn't actually give a public justification for the Emperor giving them Arrakis. It's just "oh we're moving to Dune now". It was typical in feudal times for the monarch to rotate the duchys or what have you, either as a political currency amongst his aristocrats or as a form of musical chairs. It was basically favor-trading. Shaddam has inward motives and outward motives. The outward motive is that each house basically gets a turn managing Arrakis because it’s too lucrative to become a permanent fief of any one house
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Groovelord Neato posted:Not a public reason but the Emperor's stated reason was because the Beast's oppressive rule had been disruptive and the Duke would bring order if I'm remembering right which would explain "bring peace to Arrakis". Yeah everyone wants the spice to flow better But the emperor knows that the baron used Rabban to be distruptive on purpose, so that he could punish him and reward Leto with a trap he couldn't refuse, because the emperor also wants the Duke gone cuz he's a potential usurper Re: new trailer Still not sold on the plainness of the costumes but it's obviously supposed to reflect the stark landscapes as well as modern irl clothes & body armour so w/e and everything else looks pretty cool
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Blood Boils posted:Still not sold on the plainness of the costumes but it's obviously supposed to reflect the stark landscapes as well as modern irl clothes & body armour so w/e and everything else looks pretty cool Hopefully some of the Bene Gesserit will get the Padme Amidala treatment, costume-wise. I’m mostly fine with it, but I do hope the initial interactions between the Fremen and the Atreides (ie Stilgar showing up at Arrakeen) give some opportunities for strong contrasts, because it’s actually not super obvious from the trailers whether you’re sometimes looking at Fremen, Atreides, Sardauker, etc
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Jewmanji posted:It was typical in feudal times for the monarch to rotate the duchys or what have you, either as a political currency amongst his aristocrats or as a form of musical chairs. It was basically favor-trading. Shaddam has inward motives and outward motives. The outward motive is that each house basically gets a turn managing Arrakis because it’s too lucrative to become a permanent fief of any one house So it’s like middle managers. You rotate them before they actually figure out what they’re doing so they can’t form a power base and
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MrYenko posted:So it’s like middle managers. You rotate them before they actually figure out what they’re doing so they can’t form a power base and Yes, exactly. In the book it’s explained that the Atreides are cultivating a fighting force that could soon challenge the Emperor’s Sardauker. Shaddam sends the Atreides to Arrakis to eliminate them and it backfires spectacularly when Paul finds an even better fighting force.
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The new trailer has me excited for the YouTube supercut of all the times the word "spice" is mentioned.
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There’s some gorgeous shots in there, and some of them are really fuckin’ weird which I was really hoping for.  Also future fashion! 
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I'm all for this movie turning up good but the idea that it's okay for everything to look gray and boring because real-life deserts are gray and boring sure is dumb.
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Jewmanji posted:Yes, exactly. In the book it’s explained that the Atreides are cultivating a fighting force that could soon challenge the Emperor’s Sardauker. Shaddam sends the Atreides to Arrakis to eliminate them and it backfires spectacularly when Paul finds an even better fighting force. A huge part of the fun in dune is that everyone is totally aware of the extent of each other's convoluted schemes and goals, minus an individual asset or two (stilgar, yueh)
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Monglo posted:I'm all for this movie turning up good but the idea that it's okay for everything to look gray and boring because real-life deserts are gray and boring sure is dumb. I never understand where this notion that Dune has to look totally extravagant comes from. It’s not in the text. Lynch and Jodorowsky both took the fairly sparse physical descriptions and ran wild, but it’s not some great act of apostasy to render the visuals in a more subdued fashion. There’s plenty of striking visuals in the trailers, it just doesn’t smack you in the face with colors. One of the earlier descriptions in the book is a globe of Arrakis that the Baron has. It sounds utterly antiquated and lacking any wild sci-fi imagery- it has very fine gold inlay for the latitude and longitude markers. That’s it. And yet if it was in the movie people would be like, “boring!!!”. The book takes place in a stark desert and inside of caves. I never picture Lynchian stuff. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jul 22, 2021 |
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Trailer talk, Anyone else think that last shot of Paul's visor coming up looked really bad? Like his head was just floating inside the helmet.
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Spermando posted:[futuristic lamentation music] yeah this was the worst part for me. the monochrome pallette, whatever, it's an aesthetic choice and not necessarily a wrong one. There's no reason Dune has to look like fuckin' froot loops. But goddamn this faux-arabic ululating is in everything and I'm so sick of it Ramrod Hotshot fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 22, 2021 |
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Kingtheninja posted:Trailer talk, Anyone else think that last shot of Paul's visor coming up looked really bad? Like his head was just floating inside the helmet. Hate to say it reminded me of the young Luke/Leia in helmets in ROS yikes
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Kingtheninja posted:Trailer talk, Anyone else think that last shot of Paul's visor coming up looked really bad? Like his head was just floating inside the helmet. I thought that was weird. You would think the visor would be CGI, not the person inside of it...?
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The trailer softening me on the look quite a bit, but I think I'd prefer it if Paul were maybe 15% uglier.
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No Paul has been an uggo. Why start now
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The product of a centuries long breeding program would probably be hot as gently caress.
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deoju posted:The product of a centuries long breeding program would probably be hot as gently caress. Judging by most royal families: lol
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sean10mm posted:Judging by most royal families: lol Lol. An autopsy on Charles II of Spain showed “a very small heart, lungs corroded, intestines putrefactive and gangrenous, three large stones in the [!] kidney, a single testicle black as coal, and his head full of water.” He was so inbred he had 7 great-great grandparents, rather than 16.
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CelticPredator posted:No Paul has been an uggo. Why start now I'm not saying I want him ugly, but at the moment he looks like the designated hetero romance from a circa 2010 YA novel film adaptation.
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Kingtheninja posted:Trailer talk, Anyone else think that last shot of Paul's visor coming up looked really bad? Like his head was just floating inside the helmet. It was totally a "Hulk in Infinity War" moment.
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Schwarzwald posted:I'm not saying I want him ugly, but at the moment he looks like the designated hetero romance from a circa 2010 YA novel film adaptation. Kyle is a hunky boy too
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FlashFearless posted:I thought that was weird. You would think the visor would be CGI, not the person inside of it...? You have to rotoscope the head and then put it into the CGI. You don't put the CGI around the head.
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Schwarzwald posted:I'm not saying I want him ugly, but at the moment he looks like the designated hetero romance from a circa 2010 YA novel film adaptation. Sure, but if any character justifies an absurdly beautiful coat rack of an actor, it's Paul Atreides: he's a golden-boy princeling with a handsome good guy father and a famously beautiful mother. He's supposed to come off as really fragile against the harshness of Arrakis, and the Muad'dib thing (literally "desert mouse") speaks to him being slight and unassuming. You're supposed to find him kind of delicate until it turns out he's extremely capable and resilient; a central flaw in the Baron's plan is underestimating him based on assumption, which kind of makes sense with the boy band casting. Fortunately, Chalamet is a pretty good actor on top of that. If they manage a Part 2, I'm very interested in how they envision Feyd. He tends to come off as an evil Paul, but the Harkonnens are especially inhuman looking in this version and they could do some weird poo poo with it. I feel like a creepy pale Bill Skarsgård would be fun WRT the Baron.
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Helmets aren't skin tight, his head just moved a bit lol
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Xealot posted:If they manage a Part 2, I'm very interested in how they envision Feyd. Anything other than a de-age Sting in hot pants would be a disappointment.
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sean10mm posted:Judging by most royal families: lol
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Exactly, it's a religious order with a magical comprehension of causality, literal psychic powers, working over centuries to extrapolate out the genetic consequences of different pairings far into the future. They're kind of the opposite of the Habsburgs. In general, Dune is a setting full of magi-science cloners and autistic computer-men who can do differential calculus in their heads. They can fold spacetime to travel faster than light. I feel like they've sorted how to breed out hemophilia.
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bawfuls posted:those aren't centuries-long breeding programs designed to produce a god-man. They're centuries of short-term decisions stacked on top of one another, each designed to consolidate power On the other hand, purebred dogs.
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Jewmanji posted:I never understand where this notion that Dune has to look totally extravagant comes from. It’s not in the text. Lynch and Jodorowsky both took the fairly sparse physical descriptions and ran wild, but it’s not some great act of apostasy to render the visuals in a more subdued fashion. There’s plenty of striking visuals in the trailers, it just doesn’t smack you in the face with colors. Have to say I’m not fan of the washed out monochrome because it’s over used. Seems to be in fashion but it’s unappealing.
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Automatic Slim posted:It’s the David Lean influence. Lawrence of Arabia was an influence of Dune and any desert call back since. Its probably a bit of a reaction against the extremely cartoony and (sometimes overly) colorful marvel movies. Its not exclusive to DUNE and you'll probably see a bit more of it going forward if audiences respond well to it. I don't necessarily mind any art style I just don't want hollywood to do the thing they do where everything has to look the same for a few years. Its better to be in a world where the stylistic choice is determined based on the film rather than whatever is "in" in the industry when it is made.
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Looks like a bit may have veered from the text. (Paul present when Leto is killed?)
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Marvel movies are the least colorful "colorful" movies. The "problem" with Dune (not a big deal to me but I see the argument) is the lack of contrast in design between the imperial houses and Dune itself. Their costuming is not at all extravagant, having more of a utilitarian edge. Everything fits together, but it would have been more daring to up the ante and go for it design wise.
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I don't care how the book describes the character, I vote for Kiernan Shipka as Alia. Kanly me.
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Payndz posted:Odds that the two "pause the trailer to give the audience a chance to laugh" quips are the only jokes in the entire movie? I'm certain the studio said, "Denis, this looks... inaccessible to folks we are hoping to get back to theater going en masse. Can you fun it up a bit? Have you seen those Marvel movies? They have a talking Raccoon! That's hilarious!"
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I just have a real, real bad feeling that this is heading for another Blade Runner 2049-esque box office bomb for Villeneuve and he won't get to make Part II. BR2049 was marketed as this action-packed sci-fi thriller, when it was a nearly three-hour-long exploration of the human condition. And audiences turned on it, hard. Dune is being marketed as ... an action-packed sci-fi thriller, when it's going to be a 2.5-hour-long exploration of sociopolitical machinations, the dangers of charismatic leaders, the threat of blind nationalism, and it's going to be a whole lot talkier than the trailers have been making it out to be. Near as I can tell, that trailer had bits of every major action sequence in the first half of the book--not that there are a ton, Dune isn't exactly an action-filled book to begin with. I just have this horrible gut feeling that its second-weekend box office will tank and we'll never see the second part.
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Don’t underestimate the star power of Chalamet, Zendaya, Momoa and the rest. BR2049 was a 30+ year sequel to a fairly culty SF film. 14 year olds who weren’t up to date on early 80s sci-fi weren’t gonna tune into that. Dune doesn’t have that baggage- you can go see Dune without any knowledge of the book. BR2049 didn’t have that advantage. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jul 23, 2021 |
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