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Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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Arglebargle III posted:

I gave Irulan's quotations to TalktoTransformer. (If you haven't heard of it, it's a neural network that completes writing prompts based on machine learning.)

"To be sure, we can grasp the intrinsic structure of the physical universe: what is it made of, how fast it is moving, what kinds of atoms and molecules it is composed of, and so on. But it's easy to forget that this is just one possible universe and that our experiences may be purely limited. Logic defines reality. The world we experience is a projection of our thinking minds."

- Princess Irulan

It uh, did a surprisingly good job.

That owns. Have it try to complete Wanna's OCB passage that Paul starts to read:

"Think you of the fact that a deaf person cannot hear. Then, what deafness may we not all possess? What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? What is there around us that we cannot" - [cut off by Yueh].

And the one Yueh wanted him to read:

"From water does all life begin."

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Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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crossposting from the GBS Dune thread: BR 2049 first look vs final frames















Unless you really hate what we've seen so far I'd say don't worry.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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Fraser did Rogue One, which looked great, and Lion, which was nominated for the cinematography Oscar and BAFTA in 2016.

Villeneuve's films have all been visually very strong, he has a good eye himself. Deakins would have been the dream but I think it's in great hands.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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Aces High posted:

Armour seems appropriate for the rank and file because even in the year 10,131 that sounds needlessly expensive to give everyone a personal shield

:nyd: it is the year



My guess is they've made the shields a further function of the armor, at least for the Atreides. That solves a couple potential visual problems: how to quickly indicate something (especially actors) is shielded without an over the top or distracting effect (Lynch), allowing shield effects to be more subtle now that there's a faster visual cue, making unarmored (thus unshielded) combat visually distinct and obviously more deadly, (thinking ahead) easily showing the captured Atreides that Feyd fights is only half-shielded. Plus wearing armor just makes logical sense in a sword fight, shield or not.

If they went with belts they'd either have to always have some sort of un-subtle effect happening, or show it once or twice and then forget about it because it gets in the way (Lynch). There's also the possibility that other factions may have different shield tech, like maybe the Harkonnens do belts sometimes (the better to show off their fashion/rippling abs); when Feyd is in the arena we won't immediately see that he has a shield, and the reveal that he does have one can play in to the characterization of him and his family.

Or maybe they dropped the concept entirely, and the focus on edged weapons is presented as a cultural thing.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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I also took a crack at grading one of the (non HD! :argh:) promo images. Tried to clean up the digital noise in the original and cropped to a more typical film ratio.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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I wouldn't mind that, but I think it's somewhat important that Feyd be at least in the same generation as Paul. He's a twisted mirror to Paul, the embodiment of why the system has to burn down; its inevitable final champion. If he's too much older I don't think that hits as hard.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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Paul is 15 at the start, and the introduction of Feyd calls him a "youth of about sixteen years." They're very close in age.

In the Appendix, we get an exact birth year for Rabban; he's 59 at the start of the novel, eight years older than the Duke, and two years older than Shaddam IV. But with the spice they should all look somewhat below middle age.

edit: then again, Irulan says her father is 71 when he shows her the ego-likeness of the Duke and wishes she could have been old enough to have married him (which happens years before the events of the novel). So Frank wasn't super careful about his dates or ages.

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Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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I'd wonder if he could sell the cruelty, but Holland definitely looks the part.

C-Euro posted:

Oh jeez Rabban is 59? I totally missed that.

Only mentioned in the appendix. "Canon" ages don't really matter, and Herbert made date/age mistakes even within the original novel. Rabban to me always read as generally part of the Duke's generation, similar in age to Gurney. In the Duniverse people seem to stay in their physical/mental prime until about 70, because of the spice.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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The Waddling Way of battle.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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The first scenes on Arrakis are about how the wood beams that hold up the ceiling are probably imports, the finer points of interior decorating re: heirloom paintings and taxidermy (packed in crumpled paper and wrapped in twine), setting their watches to the local time, and the fact that there will be a lot of official paperwork to do.

Frank didn't really describe anything in great detail, but many of the concrete "worldbuilding" details given do make things sound relatively mundane. The jets can flap their wings, but are still piloted with hydraulic controls, a throttle, an illuminated instrument panel. The conference room has a hologram projector, but people in the back still have to stand up to get a clearer look.

This extends to their clothing - Paul wears a "semiformal jacket" with a breast pocket. Lady Fenring wears a plain beige gown. Feyd wears a tunic and bellbottoms. Lots of robes and dresses, many of them plain. Of course there's plenty of ways to execute even the simplest fashion staples, but the impression isn't particularly otherworldly. What we've seen of the costuming so far is basically spot on.

The (visual) weirdness some people are craving is going to come (rightly) from the Harkonnens and the Imperial court, if at all. See the leaked footage of the Baron emerging form some sort of bath, and the weirdly pale Rabban. I imagine the Emperor and his court will be more ornate and baroque than what we've seen so far.

Bug Squash posted:

Dune is irrevocably a merger of the book and Lynch's movie in most fan's minds. Things like the Baron literally floating or the general weirdness just feel so right. Coupled with the bat poo poo insane Jodorowsky stuff, and the next five book getting steadily stranger, it's pretty reasonable that Dune has become much more colourful than Herbert originally wrote.

Yeah, this is definitely where people are coming from, and I get it, but what we've seen from Denis is much closer to what I imagined when I read the novel. I'd done several re-reads (and gone through the sequels) before I saw the Lynch film, so its look never really colored my interpretation of the original.

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Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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trucutru posted:

This extends to other choices like clothing, etc. Most of the non-fremen characters in the book are a bunch of royalty, feudal warlords, their retainers, and witches. I don't have the imagination to visualize how those sort of characters would look thousands of years into the future but I do know that they would look, if not gaudy (for our standards), interesting as gently caress. What is the point of being given a setting that gives you a shitload of freedom to let the imagination go wild if you're going to go for a boring aesthetic? a boring aesthetic that doesn't fit the setting.

Reposting from earlier: The costumes we've seen are perfectly in line with the descriptions in the novel: Paul wears a "semiformal jacket" with a breast pocket. Lady Fenring wears a plain beige gown. Feyd wears a tunic and bellbottoms. Lots of robes and dresses, many of them plain. Of course there's plenty of ways to execute even the simplest fashion staples, but the impression isn't particularly otherworldly.

The (visual) weirdness some people are craving is going to come (rightly) from the Harkonnens and the Imperial court. See the Baron emerging form some sort of bath, and the weirdly pale Rabban. I imagine the Emperor and his court will be more ornate and baroque than what we've seen so far.

Then there's this:

I think that's Jessica? As they land on Arrakis. So there are going to be some more out-there costumes. They're showing the stuff with the broadest appeal first.

Also keep in mind that the color grading shown here isn't final - trailers are graded separately, by a different team, and with considerations like scene 3 and scene 37 being shown back to back, and edited to seem like one coherent thing when they aren't. The simplest way to match colors in that situation is to bring everything closer to neutral gray; to desaturate.

But yeah Denis keeps things relatively muted in general, so when the color pops it punches you in the face. I love his visual style.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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trucutru posted:

Look at this dude:

Does he seem like a weapons master in the far future or a modern guy in slacks and a french breton shirt with a large fitbit at a posh hotel?

He looks like an older soldier wearing the shirt that goes under his dress uniform. Because he's stripped down for a training bout.



Do these look like two neo-neo-feudal nobles training blades in their future castle? Does the vibrating stack of holographic doubles that appears when they touch give a hint that they're not in our present or past? I say yes.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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My immediate thought on seeing Paul here was this, from Rob Roy:



Nothing like identical but it's the same vibe to me - a well used, working undershirt. If I saw Chalamet on the street in that I'd think homeless (same for Neeson), but in indoor-bladefight context it feels perfectly future-feudal to me.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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AnEdgelord posted:

Jason momoa does seem like someone who could plausibly make a woman orgasm just from climbing a wall real good.

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Dec 21, 2007
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Hasselblad posted:

I merely imagined them (and IIRC they were described in the book) as the whites themselves being turned piercing blue. The iris are still going to be their natural color, as they are not gel/liquid.

Eyes of the Ibad are always described as blue within blue, the darker the more spice the person consumes. The Guild Navigator at the end of the first novel has eyes "a total blue so dark as to be almost black." A strict interpretation would mean most of the characters end up looking like Sam Weber's painting of Alia:



With maybe a bit more deep blue saturation. Most of the cast looking like demons would be a strange move for a big budget film.

Hasselblad posted:

Does... does he have a zombie arm?

Please, the preferred term is ghola.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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Alchenar posted:

To be fair to Leto he absolutely knows that Arrakis is a trap and that it represents the Emperor moving against him, he just thinks the trap is that he is being set up to fail to deliver on the spice quotas and be discredited amongst the nobility, not that the Emperor, Harkonnen and the Guild are going to conspire together to drop an army on him.

No, they expect the direct attack and Sardaukar disguised as Harkonnen troops. What they miscalculate is the scale of the attack - which is roughly ten times larger (in ships, troops, etc) than they planned for.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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The easiest in-universe explanation is that big pitched battles don't happen any more. Most House-on-House combat is individual assassins or small infiltration squads. At most you'd get fighting in and around a palace, mansion, or other key structure - urban combat where vehicles have little chance to get up to speed.

The scale of the Harkonnen attack is mind boggling to Hawat, but it's still small-ish units attacking and defending cities with air support. The Atreides retreat to caves, presumably to use as bases to launch counterattacks (raids in to the cities). There's no big meeting of armies until the Battle of Arrakeen, where worms themselves are used like you suggest.

e: Then why do the Houses maintain such a militarized posture? First as a mutual deterrent (like their atomics), and counterweight to the Sardaukar. More practically, each Great House rules over at least one planet, so keeping the planetary populations in line is probably the actual function of most House forces.

Prolonged Panorama fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Sep 10, 2021

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Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
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watch the trailer again ;)

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