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May 11, 2024 00:58
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- SimonChris
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The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
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This is the bit that confuses me the most. Did they literally go into an auction and bid thousands times more the previous bid?
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6345488
25-35k was just the estimate from the auction house, not a bid. For all we know, some other rich idiots were bidding against them.
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Jan 18, 2022 16:55
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- SimonChris
- Apr 24, 2008
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The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
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My take on the Yueh thing in the books was always that it was less “we have your wife” and more about engineering a situation where Yueh would trolley problem himself into a situation where helping the Harkonnens was the best route forward, and the baron really didn’t give a poo poo about the specifics of what Yueh told himself as long as he helped bring down the Atreides.
Yeah, from Yueh's internal monologue and dying words in the book, I took it that killing the Baron was his plan all along, and that delivering Leto as a prize was simply the only way to get close enough. Yueh was simply helping Leto take out his mortal enemy at all costs. Sure, this particular step didn't quite work out, but the end result of Yueh's actions was that the Atreides defeated the Harkonnens, so mission accomplished!
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Jun 12, 2023 15:55
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- SimonChris
- Apr 24, 2008
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The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
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heh as a bit where he's like 'yo, there's way more fremen here than we think, we shouldn't think of them as weak, maybe we could make an army out of them' and everyone else basically tells him to shut up and get back to work
He also asks questions about Yueh that make the Baron briefly think he might have underestimated him.
Dune posted:
Strength poured into the Baron's voice. "I suborned a doctor of the Suk School! The Inner School! You
hear, boy? But that's a wild sort of weapon to leave lying about. I didn't obliterate him casually."
"Does the Emperor know you suborned a Suk doctor?"
This was a penetrating question, the Baron thought. Have I misjudged this
nephew?
e: beaten.
Also, while it isn't explicitly called out like above, his tactical questions are hardly stupid.
Dune posted:
"The cannons you brought," Rabban said. "Could I--"
"I'm removing them," the Baron said.
"But you--"
"You won't need such toys. They were a special innovation and are now
useless. We need the metal. They cannot go against a shield, Rabban. They were
merely the unexpected. It was predictable that the Duke's men would retreat into
cliff caves on this abominable planet. Our cannon merely sealed them in."
"The Fremen don't use shields."
"You may keep some lasguns if you wish."
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"You understand nothing perfectly," the Baron growled. "Let us have that
clear at the outset. What you do understand is how to carry out my orders. Has
it occurred to you, nephew, that there are at least five million persons on this
planet?"
"Does m'Lord forget that I was his regent-siridar here before? And if m'Lord
will forgive me, his estimate may be low. It's difficult to count a population
scattered among sinks and pans the way they are here. And when you consider the
Fremen of--"
"The Fremen aren't worth considering!"
"Forgive me, m'Lord, but the Sardaukar believe otherwise."
The Baron hesitated, staring at his nephew. "You know something?"
"M'Lord had retired when I arrived last night. I . . . ah, took the liberty
of contacting some of my lieutenants from . . . ah, before. They've been acting
as guides to the Sardaukar. They report that a Fremen band ambushed a Sardaukar
force somewhere southeast of here and wiped it out."
"Wiped out a Sardaukar force?"
"Yes, m'Lord."
"Impossible!"
Rabban shrugged.
"Fremen defeating Sardaukar," the Baron sneered.
"I repeat only what was reported to me," Rabban said. "It is said this
Fremen force already had captured the Duke's redoubtable Thufir Hawat."
"Ah-h-h-h-h-h."
The Baron nodded, smiling.
"I believe the report," Rabban said. "You've no idea what a problem the
Fremen were."
"Perhaps, but these weren't Fremen your lieutenants saw. They must've been
Atreides men trained by Hawat and disguised as Fremen. It's the only possible
answer."
Again, Rabban shrugged. "Well, the Sardaukar think they were Fremen. The
Sardaukar already have launched a program to wipe out all Fremen."
"Good!"
"But--"
"It'll keep the Sardaukar occupied. And we'll soon have Hawat. I know it! I
can feel it! Ah, this has been a day! The Sardaukar off hunting a few useless
desert bands while we get the real prize!"
"M'Lord . . . " Rabban hesitated, frowning. "I've always felt that we
underestimated the Fremen, both in numbers and in--"
"Ignore them, boy! They're rabble. It's the populous towns, cities, and
villages that concern us. A great many people there, eh?"
His dialogue doesn't make him sound stupid at all. Everyone just treats him that way.
SimonChris fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jun 15, 2023
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Jun 15, 2023 14:10
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- SimonChris
- Apr 24, 2008
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The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
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Yeah, I figured it was a way to make it not like typical scifi of the time with lasers and shields.
I do wonder if fremen have and know how to use shields like Paul does. Or is it a foreign concept beyond "creates a worm feeding frenzy"
In his talk with the Baron in the book, Rabban asks if he can keep the artillery because the Fremens don't use shields, so it will work just fine on them. The Baron gives him lasguns instead.
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