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galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

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sean10mm posted:

How many drugs were in that book?

Spice
Semuta
Sapho
Elacca
Shere
Verite
Water of Life

Etc., etc.

:350:

To be fair aren't like half those essentially the same thing? "Worm poo poo" is the common through line to a lot of them. Like how Crack and Cocaine are the same thing in the end.

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galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

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Dune is literally "MUSLIMS. IN. SPAAACE!!!" would it have killed them to at least try to give things a bit of mid-east flair? Make the Fremen dress like Bedoins. The Sarduakar should be High Tech Jannisaries. Give the nobility colorful Turbans and poo poo. Instead everyone looks like their from the same generic unadorned gray plastic world all Hollywood Sci-Fi for the past 15 years has been. That Atreides armor is terrible.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

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MrYenko posted:

This is the one thing that always struck me as odd about the Dune universe. Control of Arrakis means control of the spice. Control of the spice means control of the entire economy of the empire.

Why the actual gently caress is Dune not continually garrisoned by sardaukar, and ruled personally by the emperor? I mean obviously not as his capitol planet, but why does he allow another layer of management between him and the lifeblood of his entire empire?

I mean honestly why isn’t the guild the government instead of the emperor? When you can warp in, nuke anyone who doesn’t fall in line, and warp out with zero ability to be retaliated against, you have no reason to not be in charge yourself. What’s the Emperor gonna do, seethe impotently from his useless resort planet that he can’t leave with his Sardaukar he can’t get in contact with? Paul could only do it by already controlling Dune, but he could only do that for the mind-boggling reason that in the last ten thousand years the Guild hadn’t just done it themselves.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

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“I could effortlessly seize complete and total power over all existence and no one can stop me, but I won’t.” Is something no powerful political power has ever said in human history.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

KaptainKrunk posted:

The Guild are too twisted to by spice to do anything other than navigate, and they don't really have the means or really the desire to harvest and manufacture spice.

It’s not like they would be the ones actually mining it and getting chased by worms. That’s what the peasants are for. Plus if you want to keep your spice supply flowing letting your political rivals control it is the least safe thing you can do.

Zedhe Khoja posted:

Might as well ask why Saudi Aramco doesn’t take over the world.

The people behind Aramco totally would if they had the kind of power the Guild has yes.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

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It’s really all a question of timescale and sci-fi/fantasy authors not understanding time. Everything about the setting and status quo at the start of Dune is entirely believable over like a 100 to 200 year timescale. Such a system existing that long before Paul knocks over the house of cards makes perfect sense. It’s just that author’s love to throw out “ten thousand years” without really comprehending just how long a time that is. All of human history is maybe 6000 years if you stretch it, so saying that even the most ossified and hyper-conservative system could remain unchanged and unreformed for 10’000 years is unbelievable. It makes a lot more sense in God Emperor though because of the whole “Immortal omniscient worm-man who physically sits on top of the oil” is a game changer.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

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Halloween Jack posted:

Including the social realism of economics in a setting doesn't have to mean boring conference room scenes.

For example, as ASOIAF goes on, people start talking more and more about food shortages. They had a series of civil wars, then less than 20 years of peace before another civil war, and armies mostly just eat and do nothing productive. Whereas in LOTR, it's hard to imagine elves farming at all.

Well in the books there’s a lot more farming than in the movies. Remember The battle of the Pellenor Gields in the last movie where the Rohirrim fight the Elephants on a big empty plain? In the book that takes place on a massive sprawl of farm land with them having to maneuver around walls and stuff. Or that the dark and lava’y parts of Mordor are fed by huge slave plantations to the south. And depopulation caused by famine and plague are recent events in-universe.

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galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

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Who would make a good Shaddam IV really depends on if the movie focuses more on the “Final Boss” or “Guy who ignores and fatally misunderstands his collapsing regime” aspect of the character. You’d probably go with the latter if you want to focus more on the Baron and Feyd as the “true” villains. Which I think they’ll probably go with considering the very, let’s call it non-Lynchian, portrayal DUNC had of the Harkonnens.

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