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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

The whole "Will Dune II get made???????" is C-level executive bullshit from the studio forced upon the actors, directors and everyone else working on the movie, to try and generate more buzz.
There's no loving way Denis Villeneuve signed on to do half a movie based on a book that he's been wanting to make a movie out of, ever since he was a kid.

100% this.

I'm sure a lot of the B-roll has already been shot for the sequel

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

The budget was 165$ million and its already made $134,251,980 - and that's with several international markets not mentioned.

Wouldnt it have to recoup probably another $100m on top of the filming budget to account for marketing and Hollywood accounting wizardry? It's possible that was scaled back in COVID time but it still seems like a pretty visible release and the payola must flow

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

AlternateAccount posted:

Confirm. It's kinda amazing how hard you can crank it before it starts too look overdone.

DUNC: It's Amazing How Hard You Can Crank

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Steve Yun posted:

How do homing missiles work without computers

Pffft

Although the real in-universe explanation has already been given, during WW2 there were attempts to make homing missiles which used pigeons

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

That's one of the most embarrassing things I've read in a while , if you listen closely you can hear Craig Mazin screaming in the distance

Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 26, 2021

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Saw this last night with a group of 20ish people, almost universal opinion ranged from "it owns" to "it's probably the best possible filmed DUNC you're gonna get". I have zero complaints so I'm gonna go see it again ( but baked) over the wkend

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Collapsing Farts posted:

man you have a lot of friends

I have like 4 friends lol, this was a cinema bookclub thing my partner runs

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Alchenar posted:

oh four friends AND a partner well look at mr la dee dah here

Sorry I hosed up again, I forgot to point out that all of them hate me. You're my only friend now DUNC thread

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Alchenar posted:

Seriously though what was the actual setup you saw it in? Something like a high end home cinema system or cheap-rear end projector and PC speakers?

It was a big cinema, op

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I thought The Voice sucked poo poo in Lynch's Dune, because it was him not trusting the audience to understand a subtle manipulation of vocal patterns which supposedly allows the BG to manipulate people. But now after seeing Good Dune (2021) I realize that having The Voice as an effect is just fine as a cinematic device it just needs to be done well, and the less said about weirding modules the better

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

feedmyleg posted:

DV wants to make "at least three" Dunes :sickos:


:bisonyes:

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Halloween Jack posted:

I like the part where Paul says he'd rather have a song than a fight from Gurney, and it makes no sense because there is no context to know that Gurney Halleck is a bard. Lots of little things like that.

So if you were introduced to a new person by a mutual friend and they were like "give us a song" to the new guy, you would be literally dumbfounded and unable to come to the conclusion that...maybe the new guy is a good singer or something?

Seriously, why are goons incapable of imagining any detail of a fictional world that isn't spoonfed to them or available for purchase as a Funko Pop

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

HK5000 posted:

I like how they never touch on Duncan's surname as it's just to silly to take seriously.

I feel like I'm getting into a rhythm of whiteknighting my beloved DUNC here, but the name doesn't even seem that weird? Like there's probably plenty of surnames now derived from thousand of years old places that no longer exist. Does kind of sound like a gay pornstar tho

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Hodgepodge posted:

Why's that not great?

Because the human computer is supposed to be good at understanding things

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Hodgepodge posted:

The point is that this human computer is a fish out of water.

Also Herbert was writing under the illusion that nice monarchs are naive and suffer from lacking the will to be maximally evil. And also that civilization makes people weak and soft.

So it may be easy for a reader not suffering from these delusion to miss that Thufir is being characterized as foolishly naive.

However, the point is also that people deemed experts, no matter how impressive the results of their knowledge and training, are often complete idiots when interacting with an indigenous person because their knowledge lies outside of the specialized vocabulary and assumptions of the fields the scientist is familiar with.

Normally this is masked by an extreme power disparity which means that the indigenous person cannot challenge a scientist, no matter how completely wrong the scientist is, say because they're working off first principles as if science was still taught straight out of Aristotle instead of listening and thinking. People like Kynes represent real and important exceptions, usually as overlooked as s/he is outside of their disciplines.

So this is being extremely gentle with the audience's prejudices here, and for good reason. I doubt you're at all racist, for example. But considering that was written like thirty years before Avatar, it's going pretty hard on deconstructing stuff audiences take for granted.

lmao

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Eason the Fifth posted:

The thing about explaining things is that explaining things sucks turgid rear end. Star Wars is better without an extended universe that explains the most inconsequential details, like the dice on the Millenium Falcon. Star Trek was better when it didn't explain the Borg. Reader imagination is always, always better than what the creator can come up with, but explanations are profitable, so here he are.

This is me with an original thought that nobody has ever come up with before. Surely.

Man the Borg were so loving chilling when they were just this implacable lurking menace that was gonna turn up and gently caress humanity *sometime*

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Kurzon posted:

How were the Harkonnens going to cover up the fact that the Emperor orchestrated the whole thing to eliminate the Atreides? There were Sardukar on Arrakis.

In the book, they're Sardaukar in Harkonnen uniform. In the film I guess it's just leave no survivors and then if there's any rumours just claim FAKE NEWS

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

Bene I always pronounced as Benny because it is Arabic for “sons of” (and I’m guessing Hebrew too?) and I assumed it was one of many Arabic words

My wife’s complaint about chani was she actually looks like a popular actress in a movie where the casting seemed very good otherwise. Especially with how good the fremen are otherwise (I’m still mad at Stilgar being pasty waterfat drunk uncle in the miniseries, Bardem is the stilgar I always pictured)

"Bene" also being Latin for "good/well", as in N.B. "Nota Bene".

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Kurzon posted:

Shouldn't those stillsuits be colored white instead of black so as not to absorb sunlight? In the Dune miniseries, they had a light color.

Well they mostly move around at night, and they have wraps and stuff over their stillsuits, so it's whatever. Guess they prioritize ninja stealth over daytime temp

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Pretty much all spacefaring activity can be assumed to take place with at least implicit permission from the Spacing Guild, the real power nexus within the Imperium.

Also just saw this on the big screen for a second time and it owned even more this time, gently caress this movie is exactly what I wanted

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Jake Gyllenhaal as Feyd

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
It's a good book tho, in a way that's separate from the movie, which is also good

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

4000 Dollar Suit posted:

I wonder if that was the original intent but Zendaya went all diva and said he had to include everything she filmed.

That's... not how filmmaking works

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

jisforjosh posted:

I don't like agreeing with Ben Shapiro but his whole "feels strangely 15 minutes too long and 2 and a half hours too short" in his Dune review described it pretty well.

Lookit this guy who reads Ben Shapiro reviews and has no good movie opinions

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Origami Dali posted:

Did I miss a part where the movie explains what drum sand is? When Paul steps on it and says "drum sand!" panicked, it was as if we were supposed to know what that means, but since the audience hasn't been told what it is, it was a big ??? moment in the middle of what was supposed to be a suspenseful scene.

Sound goes "boom", then he steps on it twice more and it goes "boom boom" and he says "drum sand". The viewer, knowing what both "drum" and "sand" mean individually, is invited to use abductive reasoning to explore the subtextual connection between the two

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Mind you it is pretty stupid that he steps on it twice more to confirm, like it's possibly my biggest peeve in the movie

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Sting as Emperor, Jake G as Feyd-Rautha. Or vice versa, it's all fine

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Gonz posted:

I accidentally misread this as “Jay Z as Feyd-Rautha”.

I mean, yeah

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Trump posted:

This is my favorite post in all of CD

Thanks Trump! Working Hard!

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
What if the Imperial Herald from the start of the movie turned out to be the Emperor? I know it's not in the book or anything but it's the kinda stupid thing Emperors do sometimes, like Undercover Boss but for the Galactic Imperium instead of a Hobby Lobby.

Yeah, I realise this is falling into the realm of "goons suggest terrible pointless plot ideas*

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Halloween Jack posted:

I mean, they could just get a fresh-faced young actor who is actually talented and can play older. But let's be serious, they're definitely going to hire some feted European thespian for gravitas.

I mean they had Oscar Isaac playing a noble duke and he's Guatemalan-Cuban, so I wouldn't be shocked if DV branched out

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Xealot posted:

Yes. I agree with whoever said it'd be great to get 3 Dunc movies covering the first book and Messiah, then some kind of HBO miniseries interpreting Children / God Emperor.

That'd pretty much cover everything relevant about Dune.

They're doing a Bene Gesserit series right? I can see if that does well they could do exactly this

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

neurotech posted:

Gotcha. I've been considering reading Dune for a while, and after seeing the movie I feel like there was a lot of stuff portrayed that I wanted to know more about. Do you get more exposition in the book?

Oh boy, do you...

Yeah, you do.

Don't really see why you spoilered that tbh

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

neurotech posted:

Is that a good oh boy or bad oh boy?

I wasn’t sure on whether I should spoiler that - went with precaution.

It's less so exposition, more that the first book at least is very interior, it's a lot of people thinking very hard about each other in palaces, and then later on people thinking very hard about each other in caves and tripping out. It's really cool in a way which is not filmable, but luckily there's also a lot of cool poo poo which is adaptable to film

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I'll never stop

https://twitter.com/ETVPod/status/1457700384416403459?t=tMoWzEm7IgwdUUrRcnsJXA&s=19

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Lol flap-water

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Cerv posted:

and why not

A young Silvio Berlusconi puts down his translated paperback copy of Dune Messiah, inspired

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

porfiria posted:

In dune messiah theres a dwarf named bijaz. A character uses super ninja voice inflection to tell an 80 year old woman shes not a sex object. The bene gesserit try to make paul and his sister gently caress.

Sold in the first sentence dude, you can stop selling

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Sep 22, 2018

bushisms.txt posted:

Do the books go more into Duncan and Gurney's relationship? In the movie at least, I was sure they were a couple.

Interesting, do they even interact in the movie?

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