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AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Neo Rasa posted:

Also having seen Jodowsky rant about ecology and colonialism first hand, they should unironically get him to play a completely nuts version of Liet Kynes.

This is the best of all ideas.

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AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Xealot posted:

For real. I want this very badly. And I feel like we're owed one, since the universe took David Bowie from us before he could play Niander Wallace in BR2049.

This is another absolute robbery. Leto is easily the worst part of 2049. His role is weird, but he absolutely fails to sell it. I think maybe the contacts were a mistake, but still. And yet, if I imagine dropping Bowie into the same spot and all other things being equal, same dialogue, same shots, etc, it becomes fantastic.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Failson posted:

I am also concerned that the Jodorowsky Dune documentary has set impossible expectations, (also, did anyone grab the film rights for The Incal?)

Pretty sure they can CG in a golden toilet cheap now.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

MonsieurChoc posted:

It's a bad movie but I have a soft spot for Dead or Alive because of the dad trying to be supportive of his daugther while beating the crap out of her.

Agreed on this. It's definitely got some variant of the Mortal Kombat energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNrKqxZuMDo

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Eason the Fifth posted:

The old spice must not flow I guess

Bravo

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

moths posted:

I liked the trailer a lot!


I noticed the trailer line was a crusade is coming, but remember it as a jihad in the book. That might actually resonate better in 2020, since Americans generally believe that terrible religious wars are things other people do.

Which is weird though, because uhhh... Crusades were absolutely a thing and I am not sure thatís a ďgentlerĒ word.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Xealot posted:

I assumed that might've happened because Villeneuve makes slow, beautiful movies that lovely general audiences don't respond to. After BR2049, I was shocked they let him make this.

This makes me sad because it is 100% my jam. A four hour cut of 2049 that also somehow manages to excise all of awkward Jared Leto's scenes would be amazing.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
They all look like roasted marshmallows at various levels of doneness/char

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

The highest-grossing sci-fi movie is about blue cat people who connect their tails together to have sex.

Nuh uh it was theirÖ hairÖ brain.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Man, part of what really wounds the Lynch movie is the awful, awful sound mix. It's just painful.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
I think part of it is that the cost of interplanetary transport of sizable military forces requires both the assistance of third parties and carries an extreme price tag.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Jewmanji posted:

Not only the cost I think, I imagine because the Guild monopolizes interstellar travel, it really makes waging total war difficult because the Guild will either refuse to transport you because they donít want to disrupt the status quo, or they will transport you but you canít trust that they wonít slip the news to your adversary

Yes. Before the Guild will ďpermitĒ you to wage war, you have to more than offset their losses or offer ironclad deniability.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
The Guild already has functionally unlimited influence and has already basically accomplished all of their objectives.

Why would they want the hassle of running a galactic empire? It doesnít gain them anything else.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
So we are just dismissing the failson novels where the Butlerian Jihad involved wars against Terminators?

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

AnEdgelord posted:

loving lol, I don't even know why you would need a followup to Heretics and Chapterhouse. They ended in a pretty conclusive place with Duncan finally whole, free from control and able to make his own destiny again. There are some loose ends but there are always some loose ends if you are writing history, and including that in your fake history just makes it all the more believable.

Isnít Idahos liberation brought about by the aforementioned gently caress-magic?

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

AnEdgelord posted:

yes but its because he was given masculine counter-gently caress magic that mind controls the women he has sex with and he uses it on one of the Honored Matres which causes them to mind control each other and awakens all of his repressed ghola memories from every previous life

Itís so terrible it loops around.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
All the Dune stuff should have ended neatly with Leto 2 dying and the culmination of his millennia long plan.
Everything past that feels extraneous.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
I enjoyed this, but I wanted to enjoy it more than I did. I don't know how you get 3x the time Lynch did to tell the same portion of the story, and manage to leave out fairly significant elements. The Jamis fight was legitimately tense, how do you just leave out Paul crying? Maybe show that bullfighting statue again.

Pretty, but kinda aggressively uncreative. I reaaaaally hated the bloody hand cheap flashforwards.

Chani remains uncastable. Sean Young was pretty bad. Zendaya is really bad.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

flashy_mcflash posted:

Just let Carpenter Brut do it like he did Blood Machines

This + more colored lighting and neon would vastly improve this movie.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
You can't do a Dune rock opera because David Bowie is too dead to be Paul, Steve Perry is too old to be Gurney Halleck, Mick Jagger is too old to be the Emperor, and Stevie Nicks is too old to be Moiham.

1977 was the last chance.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Jamis roaring and basically having a breakdown was tragic. I mean heís a loud aggressive idiot but that whole sequence of his total confusion and defeat and then complete misunderstanding and accidental humiliation was really tragic and kinda heartbreaking.

Edit: itís telling that the movie is kind of a goofy failure in that regard, since Duncan dying has functionally zero impact by comparison.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Some goon cheering because they got all the politics out of his Dune haha.

Jfc

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

What? That's not what I'm saying at all. Yeah, the references to CHOAM and discussions about the Lansraad, plus the Count Fenring poo poo all were critical to the overall plot, yes.

What the gently caress is wrong with you people.

I donít think it was you, it was a few pages back. Just happy they cut all the dumb politics, they didnít get specific about what elements.

Edit: oh wait yeah it was.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

Extremely not what I said. I said they cut some of the bloat that wasn't neccesary for the plot to get its point across. Read the words being put on the screen.

It's fine, I believe you, being misinterpreted and piled on is the best part of the forums!

But yeah, I think it erred too far on the other side in favor of.... I don't even know. I guess I want the 5 hour cut we'll never get.

Polo-Rican posted:

I'm so sick of "generic female middle eastern acapella" used as a musical cue, but ironically this is the one film where it might have actually fit! That is, if it wasn't so overused in Hollywood at the moment that it practically feels like a meme whenever it kicks in...

The score ends up being the biggest letdown, which is sad. And this part of it was the worst element.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Polo-Rican posted:

Strangely, the score felt all over the place to me!! There were a few points that I really loved, but others were as generic as can be, and then some others made me physically wince. I'm pretty sure they blast the female Acapella "wahhAhhAhh" thing right as Kynes dies, and I swear for a second I thought it was her screaming rather than music lol

This is a better assessment. It hits a few times, but it missed a bunch.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Alchenar posted:

Its fine not to have the traitor sub-plot at all. The film creates a sense of looming disaster and a secret plot against the atreides without needing to introduce a second plot against the atreides they know about.

E: The 'we know there's a traitor' i mean

Iíve come around on this a bit.

Yueh is less of a character and more of a plot device that was backed into due to other factors.

Iím a traitor, Iím a rube, Iím dead.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Alchenar posted:

The other point it serves is to raise doubts about Jessica's loyalties with the other characters, but this is a film primarily about the Paul-Jessica relationship so I don't think that would work, and in any case we have that wonderful duke-Jessica scene where the BG connection is drawn out.

Yeah the Jessica doubt doesnít really go anywhere and we got some better stuff in a good trade.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Sedgr posted:

If you want an interesting rewatch crank up the saturation. It seems like a pretty significant improvement. There's a bunch of visual info that's been lost in this weird monochrome color grade and amping the saturation actually brings a lot of it back.

Confirm. It's kinda amazing how hard you can crank it before it starts too look overdone.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

FLIPADELPHIA posted:

Question: in the scene where the Sardukaur are negotiating with the harkonnens and those people are being sacrificed, is that a harkonnen world and the sardukaur are just there as guests, or was it a sardukaur location?

It's Salusa Secundus, a prison planet run by House Corrino(the emperor).

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Itís true, itís very austere and in that weird way, low intensity. Visually compelling while being anti-spectacle.
BR2049 had a lot of the same energy. Itís fine, itís part of the appeal in a way.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Randalor posted:

Serious answer to obvious joke question: they have some level of computers, just nothing "smart" enough to get to the point of possibly wanting to overthrow humanity. After all, how was Paul's pet lightbulb following him unless they cramed a human brain in there?

Actually, considering it's Harkonnans we're talking about, it could very well be that homing missles have lobotomized human brains in them.

You could kinda game it, the rule is you can't machine machines that think in the manner of a human mind.

Human minds can do arithmetic, but a missile guidance system is something else entirely. also humans don't emit light and follow you around.

I dunno, the rules may be a bit more specific than we think.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrW_8M3xJow

Visually there's just no comparison.

The actual storytelling and acting are better in the new one, but for production design and sheer visuals, it's not even close.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Polo-Rican posted:

whatever this is has been taken down by WB already! (at least in the US)

Ah it was a direct comparison of the Box of Pain scene from 1984/2021.

Josh Lyman posted:

The production design struck me as a mix of Alien (which makes sense given Jodorowskyís Dune) and Brazil which was released just a few months later.

I would argue a lot of it is Lynch being weird just to be weird. Villeneuveís designs were a lot more reasonable.

For me, a lot of it goes back to the question, "Is it plausible that these people live and work and exist in this place? That these (admittedly beautiful on the surface) vistas are actually used for their supposed purpose?"
I get that '84 Dune's production design reach exceeds its grasp, often by a lot. But Dune '21's hyper-sparse and oversized simple geometric layouts look more like storyboarding or concept art. At no point is it plausible to me that these are the places these characters inhabit, despite their appeal for sheer aesthetics.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Maxwell Lord posted:

I do wonder if the filmmakers were concerned that making the Baron too opulent and flamboyant might play into the queer coding that's been in all other versions but, s

Dude was absolutely a pedophile in the book with a preference for boys, but not exclusively. I am not sure why it gets tiptoed around.

edit: is Jessica being the product of rape a retcon from a later book?

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Baron von Eevl posted:

There is a director's cut, it's the version currently in theaters. It's the version the director cut. I want to see deleted scenes too but "director's cut" doesn't really make sense unless the director didn't get to release the movie the way they wanted to.

Ok nerd, EXTENDED EDITION

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

porfiria posted:

Jason Momoa should only play parts where he's a contemporary cool dude, or doesn't speak English.

Yes. Not because he should, but because thatís the extent of his range.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

2house2fly posted:

I'm back and forth on that; I don't really buy Momoa as a legendary warrior of such status that the empire's elite legions are warned that he'll be there, but I do buy him as a brave and loyal friend, and given how things go in the movie that's probably the more important aspect of his character to play up

Not unfair, but find someone who can do both.

Edit: actually just reverse gurney/duncan casting

AlternateAccount fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Oct 26, 2021

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Noam Chomsky posted:

Everything but thinking machines - self-aware A.I. - is allowed.

They specifically mention calculators though, like that's the baseline for the restriction.

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

Wow this is pretty racist lol

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

ďI canít buy the non-white actor as a legendary warrior, regardless of the directorial and authorial intent.Ē

This didn't occur to me at all. His traits are described fairly clearly, but neither actor exhibits a "dark round face" or epicanthic folds and both have brown eyes, so.... neither actor really meets the description.
The book says outright that in single combat Gurney would beat Duncan more often than he'd lose.
For me, Jason Momoa has never been able to pull of anything resembling scary or dangerous, going all the way back to RONAN DEX. (Shrug), it's fine, it's really unfair "book weight" dragging it down for me, and the way Idaho is described and his massive reputation would be difficult for anyone to pull off, and all the examples we've had so far really haven't.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

GrandpaPants posted:

On the topic of the fights, I haven't read the books so I don't know how they're described, but the fights just looked like they consisted of normal slashes and whatnot. It seems weird to me that a style that needs to adapt to the kinetic shields (or whatever they're called) just kinda looks the same as any other sword fight, without being adapted to having to slow down for the kill. I kinda expected a style that's more grapple based so that people couldn't dodge away from the slow moving knife, but I guess my question is whether that's how it's "supposed" to look.

I had this same thought. Why are they swinging these fast haymakers when they know they won't work? Definitely would be cooler if it were more of a wrestling match, the awful Saving Private Ryan scene already referenced comes to mind.

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AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Do whatever you have to do to get David Lynch in that chair. If it takes a golden dolphin shitter throne, do it.

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