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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006




Dune is the best-selling scifi novel of all time. Frank Herbert's novel draws on Arab history, new-age psychedelic experiences, macroeconomics and feudal politics to create a mélange of realistic and fantastical elements. The novel manages to blend alien ecology, power politics, psychic powers, and ruthless economic realities into a narrative both familiar and exotic. This sci-fi masterpiece has been translated into dozens of languages and sold 20 million copies.

In many ways Dune is to science fiction as Lord of the Rings was to fantasy. Frank Herbert brought not only a cool story but a well thought-out future society. Dune is about politics. Dune is about sociology. It's about ecology. It's about economics. It's about religion. It's about empire. Within the genre, it is a Great Work. It has been called the greatest science fiction novel of all time. It has also been called un-film-able.

Denis Villeneuve's adaptation of Dune will be the third committed to film. David Lynch's Dune is widely recognized as a compromised masterpiece; the unforgettable art design and memorable performances were manacled to bizarre narrative choices and obsolete visual effects. The Syfy channel made a five hour Dune miniseries that is more faithful to the novel but also fairly cheap by modern standards. The sequel Children of Dune is notable for being James McAvoy's first leading role. Also of note is the abortive Alejandro Jodorowsky adaptation of Dune that was so bizarre it has spawned its own cult following despite never leaving pre-production. To whit:

imdb posted:

Charlotte Rampling, who will star [as Reverend Mohiam] in Denis Villeneuve's upcoming adaptation of the 1965 novel, originally wanted to play Lady Jessica in Alejandro Jodorowsky's failed Dune project, but declined the offer due to a scene that involved 2,000 extras defecating at once.



This time around, Dune is being headed by Canadian director Denis Villeneuve, the director of Sicario, Arrival, and BladeRunner 2049. BladeRunner specifically has been praised for its awesome visuals. Hopefully Dune, with its focus on planetary-scale machinations, will be a perfect fit. Since Villeneuve is directing and producing Dune, it's likely he'll bring the same mix of miniature work and CGI that he did to BladeRunner 2049. Also, Hans Zimmer left a Christopher Nolan project in order to write the score for Dune, which he says is his favorite science fiction novel.


Dune is currently in post-production and is one of the most secretive recent film projects. Principal photography was done in Jordan and has wrapped at this point. Virtually nothing has leaked to the public, not even publicity stills of the leads in costume. EDIT: Publicity stills are now coming out. Recently a few scenes were screened for critics and twitter blew up with cryptic but effusive praise for the project. One reviewer suggested that Dune will be the next Lord of the Rings novel adaptation mega-hit. The shot above is one of the few production stills that have leaked and appears to be a large-scale miniature of a flying machine or spaceship.

https://twitter.com/brianfhclement/status/1218291363369881600


Thematically, Dune focuses on the planet Arrakis itself, known colloquially as Dune. Dune is an entirely hostile planet, covered in desert and consumed by near-constant storms. Yet Dune is also the sole source of a resource known as spice, the key to all economic life in the galactic empire. If this sounds like somewhere on Earth, it should. On Arrakis, the only currencies that matter are precious water, to sustain life on the hostile world, and precious spice, to fuel the imperial economy. Natives wear impermeable water-reclamation systems called stillsuits, while the servants of the ruling class sell their used washing-water at the doors of their estates. Without the spice, interstellar navigation would fail; without the enormous profits of the spice trade, the Emperor and his galaxy-spanning state would choke to death.

Like earlier attempts, Villeneuve's Dune is set to feature a star-studded cast. Confirmed are:


Timothee Chalemet as Paul Atreides. Paul begins his story as the teenage son of Duke Leto Atreides. Paul is an introverted and thoughtful child. He has been trained from early childhood in strategy, politics, personal combat, and mystical arts.


Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto Atreides. Duke Leto is the ruler of the bucolic water planet Caladan. He is popular within the space legislature known as the Landsraad, and has built an elite military loyal only to himself.


Rebecca Ferguson as Lady Jessica, concubine of Leto Atreides and mother of Paul. Jessica is a mystical counselor from the all-female Bene Gesserit, a secretive and influential religious order.


Stellan Skarsgard as Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. The Harkonnens are the traditional enemies of the Atreides and have their fief on the nightmare industrial world of Geidi Prime.


Dave Bautista as Rabban Harkonnen, former governor of Arrakis. Up until the start of the narrative, the Harkonnens have had the CHOAM (space WTO) directorship of Arrakis and reaped enormous wealth from oppressing the planet.


Zendaya as Chani, Action Girl and Space Bedouin Waifu.










Also appearing Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho, Josh Brolin as Gurney Halleck, Javier Bardem as Stilgar, and many more. The wikipedia entry for Dune characters is 33 pages long.


Villeneuve plans to adapt Dune into two movies, split probably at the same time the novel time-skips to two years in the future, about halfway through the narrative. The movie series will also spawn a spinoff TV show about the Bene Gesserit order, according to studio sources.


Dune is scheduled to release in December 2020. This thread is a place to get hype, discuss a 1965 book without spoiling plot points older than your parents, and post the odd production still that gets past the studio's media team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2MGV0amLfw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcxZfufxzCo

HE WHO CONTROLS THE HYPE CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Apr 14, 2020

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Sting was actually contacted about a cameo! But we don't know if it came to anything.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


I was wondering why the Emperor wasn't cast and then realized that in the novel, he doesn't appear until the last 100 pages. Unlike the David Lynch version, where he's in the first scene.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


For real???

To add some content, here's a fun fact: Frank Herbert has repeatedly said that the Atreides are supposed to be ethnically Greek. Does this mean something for the racial politics of imperialism in Space Arabia?

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Lynch's Dune is a sprawling mess, but the Toto soundtrack and HR Giger art design is too cool to pass up. I doubt future adaptations will ever completely escape the look of the Dune universe that Giger and Lynch established.

It was crazy of Lynch to decide that what Dune needed is even more sub-plots.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Every time I think of rewatching Dune I remember the Harkonnen bits. It's just so unnecessarily gross. Also pretty undeniable gay-bashing, since the Baron is the only out character and they made him absolutely revolting, far more so than in the books where he's just fat and cruel.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Gender swapping Liet Kynes would add a dimension to everyone underestimating him/her.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Please don't discuss the Brian Herbert books in here.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


As far as sequels, God-Emperor of Dune is genuinely unfilmable. Nobody could make that into a movie that works. It barely works as a novel.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


It's definitely inspired by Arabia and oil but it's more of a pastiche than a direct allegory. For example a lot of Paul's visions and the sequel Dune Messiah are taken straight from the Omayyad conquest in the 7th or 8th century. It's more about what empire does to people and to society and less about any specific incarnation of it.

Like all great science fiction, Dune is still as relevant as it was when it was published. CHOAM maps better onto the WTO now than OPEC which was the obvious parallel when it was written. But we're still living in an era of empire, so all the ills Dune highlights are still around for everyone to see if they look. The way extractive industries immiserate the people on the periphery and funnel wealth to an elite at the imperial core, the way wealth and power accrues to an increasingly decadent clique of oligarchs, it's all still happening. Eventually the contradictions in the system lead to general disillusionment, and the only constituency for the status quo is a tiny elite who will be overthrown as soon as they lose their monopoly on organized violence. It's a very old story.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jan 20, 2020

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


He references Hitler as a point of comparison for mass death, that's it.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


I think I mentioned in the OP, as ludicrous as it is, please try to spoiler 55 year old plot points for those who may not have read the book. I would hate to have people come in here and be spoiled on a fairly twisty political narrative. Even if the beats of noble father figure dies suddenly, teenage boy discovers he is The Special One are not particularly original.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006




Looks like two full size ornithopter models on a backlot!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


I updated the OP with some cast interviews. It's very minimal at the moment, but there seems to be a lot of excitement.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


The throne room in Lynch's Dune looks like if the Sangrada Familia was made of gold. The art design in it is so good!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Blink and you'll miss it, but there's a couple guys who squeegee the floor behind the navigator. That always made me chuckle.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


iTunes, Amazon Prime and Youtube all have it for rent. I don't see it free anywhere.

Someone made a fan cut playlist on Youtube that removes a lot of Lynch's narrative additions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2Nfvc8WMw

LOL I forgot how Lynch's Dune has three prologues. A direct address to camera, a voice-over, and then a new scene at the beginning spelling out the Guild and the Emperor's motives.

I do like how Paul looks up the space wikipedia page for Arrakis and in the weather section it just says "See #Storms_on_Arrakis"

Crazy how Castle Caladan has all these recessed panels carved in wood and yet no paintings. Dune is a really dark movie. Especially for a movie about the desert. I wonder if Lynch intended it be so dark or if there was a problem with the film or cameras they decided to use.

Check out this scene where the sun gets a cameo and the characters react like it's super bright. But it's not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfJUY9It2g#t=55s

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jan 22, 2020

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

lynch's dune is unquestionably a disaster but its also insanely close to being a masterpiece.

Couldn't have said it better.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Roman Reigns posted:

House Ordos is first mentioned I think in the Dune Encyclopedia, but even that’s considered non canon. Everything else about them is made up by the game developers.

Dune Encyclopedia was written in correspondence with Frank Hebert. The only reason it's not canon is Brian Hebert prevailed on its author to pronounce it not canon after Frank's death. So he could desecrate his father's corpse more efficiently.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Netherlands works fine for me. It's better quality than the other alternative I posted.

The special effects are so bad. You have to remember this came out the same year as Return of the Jedi. And simple stuff like a space helicopter looks awful. Like it was filmed in 1955.

The Alternative Cut has Patrick Stewart dual-wielding a submachine gun and a pug so it's not all bad.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jan 24, 2020

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


You wonder why anyone handed a giant sci-fi extravaganza to David Lynch, but then you remember George Lucas's only hit prior to Star Wars was American Graffiti

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


I'm genuinely baffled as to what's supposed to be happening in this scene when Rabban walks in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YirGc7DRJi0#t=7757s

What the gently caress is going on in this room?

Has anyone mentioned here that Lynch and Sting intended him to be completely nude in that scene, and the G-string prop was really built in minutes when the studio told them they couldn't do it?

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Yes, yes, but what is happening before Rabban walks in??? The establishing shot shows a landed Harkonnen spaceship. The Baron is flying around in a circle screaming incoherently, Feyd is in some sort of sauna machine, there's a guy laughing and adjusting some sort of control box??? musical instrument??? and there's a dwarf vacuuming the floor.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jan 26, 2020

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Clipperton posted:

The Baron's zooming around because he's stoked his revenge plan worked

The laughing guy is Nefud, the Harkonnen guard captain (field promotion after his predecessor got a faceful of tooth gas)

The control box plays semuta music, which Nefud is addicted to (just like he was in the book!)


Astounding!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


On the one hand, there's clearly a lot of allegory in Dune. On the other hand, I have a hard time believing anyone would call it rote. You have to really drill down to the core elements of the plot to say that it's just a monomyth story. Surely there is a reason that Dune is getting its third screen adaptation while so many 1960s science fiction books about expanded consciousness and heroes with psychic powers are forgotten.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


PeterWeller posted:

There is a rote form to the central plot, but that's part of the point. Paul goes on a hero's journey so Dune can interrogate the nature of a hero. He's a dude who fits himself into a ready-made myth so he can use it to empower his revenge and restoration. He's not a chosen one, but he's made by his and others' hands into one. But that's just one of the many concepts the book is exploring. It's plots within plots, schemes within schemes.

Yeah what this guy said.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


While the books certainly convey the impression that Frank Herbert's mind was disintegrating from heavy drug use, and that assumption would be reasonable for a new age sci-fi author who gained acclaim in the late 60s and then coasted on it through the 70s and 80s, I can't find any evidence for that supposition. In fact Frank Herbert didn't start making real money off of Dune until the '70s. He wrote something like 20 novels over his career and some of them were apparently pretty bad.

Oh well!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Science fact: Arraikis is the third planet orbiting the star Canopus, a bright giant star 310 light years from Earth.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


I gave Irulan's quotations to TalktoTransformer. (If you haven't heard of it, it's a neural network that completes writing prompts based on machine learning.)

"To be sure, we can grasp the intrinsic structure of the physical universe: what is it made of, how fast it is moving, what kinds of atoms and molecules it is composed of, and so on. But it's easy to forget that this is just one possible universe and that our experiences may be purely limited. Logic defines reality. The world we experience is a projection of our thinking minds."

- Princess Irulan

It uh, did a surprisingly good job.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


"Once again we find that our knowledge is subject to the whim of ignorance. Here is a personal account of his dealings with "inner voice" "You cannot have confidence in the voices, they give you messages about . . ."

there's a character limit but that is totally a plausible passage from Manual of Muad'Dib.

To be clear this is only what talktotransformer says, I'm not including the original prompt.

You can try it yourself at talktotransformer.com.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Feb 21, 2020

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


A director who loves landscape porn is a great choice for the first ever planetary romance novel.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


That's canon. Caladan's major exports are rice and refurbished mattresses.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


It's a whole planet my dude.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


He's right guys the book makes it very clear that oxygen and carbon dioxide are both produced by Dune's native life. It's certainly massive enough to retain an inert atmosphere so bing bang boom so simple.

It is actually not that simple, since there needs to be something to sink carbon dioxide and since Dune has no oceans it's gotta also be the spice cycle.

The way the spice cycle organisms make the planet hostile to everything else is an interesting analogue to real life Earth water-splitting photosynthesizers. The advent of the photosynthesis pathway with electron transport ending at O2 wiped out the majority of life on Earth about two and a half billion years ago.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Apr 14, 2020

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Congrats to the first black woman to father a Zendaya.

Liet is an English derivation of Letitia IRL from the latin "gladness." I don't have to tell you that in the US Letitia is stereo-typically a black woman's name. This is weirdly full-circle.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Apr 14, 2020

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Clipperton posted:

(also lol that after 35 years they haven't come up with a stillsuit costume that isn't a sweatbox)

. . . that's what it's for . . .

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Doesn't Heretics take place ~ 300 years (and many psychedelic drugs) later?

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


Bubbacub posted:

Not sure how I feel about that grey armor, it looks kinda like chunky cosplay. Stilgar looks exactly how I always imagined him.

I like the cold and militant Atreides look because that's much more in character with the books. We see them as the good guys but Leto was still an aristocrat and military leader who had his eye firmly on the imperial throne. The book doesn't explicitly tell us that Leto was holding out to marry Irulan but reading between the lines it's pretty clear.

Imagine if Leto's gambit had paid off and he'd had a year to recruit and train Fremen and stockpile spice. The Emperor really would have had no choice but to adopt him as his son-in-law and de facto male heir. He might not have forced Shaddam to abdicate like Paul did but the end result would still have been the Atreides sitting at the center of galactic wealth and power.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Apr 14, 2020

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