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I really liked the film, but it felt like someone was skipping every other chapter on the bluray menu. I really want to see the ~4 hour cut Momoa mentioned. Right now it feels like the theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven: a good film that was cut down from a great one. As for non-book readers, if they are confused I explain it like this: https://twitter.com/augustjpollak/status/1451379917137096727?s=21
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Failed Imagineer posted:I feel like I'm getting into a rhythm of whiteknighting my beloved DUNC here, but the name doesn't even seem that weird? Like there's probably plenty of surnames now derived from thousand of years old places that no longer exist. Does kind of sound like a gay pornstar tho Duncan Idaho, may I present your new lieutenants: Chucky Kentucky and Ned Nebraska.
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Oct 28, 2021 19:37
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[speaking in Sardaukar] The Emperor has arranged it: Carl Carolina will betray Doug. Tirranek posted:I'll take the fights being slightly floaty and perhaps one too many 'HAAAAAAEEEEE!'s on the soundtrack for how much this movie got right, for me. It sounds like there were a lot of extra scenes filmed which could go into a longer edition, and that would be nice, but I really liked it as it was. Want to see it again already. There are a lot of extras on HBO, if you have access to that. I’m hoping for a director’s cut by next spring/summer. Also, Hans Zimmer definitely went all-out on the score, some of his best work!
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Oct 28, 2021 21:29
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There is something endearing about the post-future depicted in franchises like Dune or LoGH, where technology has gotten so advanced it has circled back around to beating each other to death with pointy sticks.
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Oct 29, 2021 14:24
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MeinPanzer posted:Two of my friends who had no exposure to Dune before commented on it independently after seeing the movie, and I myself despite having read the books years ago and seen the Lynch movie thought it was kind of jarring, so it's not some random complaint. Thanks for your input though cool irreverent movie guy. I’m guessing that this scene is sitting on the editing room floor. It feels like a lot of exposition and world building was cut, especially from the first half of the film. Things seem much more coherent after the sand worm attack on the harvester, but the first two acts feel like 45 minutes is missing...
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Oct 29, 2021 16:43
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Wolfsheim posted:*me watching a new hope* This is why movies are almost an hour longer than 20-30 years ago, but somehow manage to have half of the characterization and plot...
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Oct 29, 2021 20:56
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Tirranek posted:Re-watched a couple of scenes and while I really like the movie and sound design, I think the soundtrack is pretty overdone in parts. It feels like the dramatic wails happen for everything, like it's trying to get you invested in something you already are. That’s generally the sign of the score being tampered with to fit what was made in the editing room... I could be wrong, but the score felt abridged, like the plot of the film.
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Oct 30, 2021 17:24
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Forktoss posted:Book question, I'm reading Children right now but it's been a while since I read Dune/Messiah so I'm hazy on a few background details: What exactly was/is the Bene Gesserits' plan for Jessica's child and the Atreides bloodline? They wanted Jessica to have a daughter so they could wed her to a Harkonnen male (I guess Feyd?) and merge the two families, but to what end? If it was about merging the bloodlines, then isn't that already achieved in Paul anyway regardless of his sex or eventual partner since Jessica is the Baron's daughter? If it was because they thought that would bring about the Kwisatz Haderach, why was it so important for that to happen a generation later than it did? Plus they're apparently still after those Atreides/Harkonnen genes even after Paul, with all the talk in Children about how they might want Leto II and Ghanima to breed. Was Paul just not incesty/Harkonneny enough for them for whatever reason? I think that was the end-point of The Plan, and it makes sense that they were technically correct, Paul was not the KH, but his son Leto II definitely was...
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Oct 30, 2021 17:47
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Randalor posted:I do wonder how much of the Bene Gesseret's scheming at that point was "Work to bring about the Messiah" and how much was just being addicted to playing politics and pretending to be the kingmaker, while lying to themselves that it was all for the bigger plan. Like, there has to come a point where they either have so many Contingency plans at work, or they're taking a fairly big gamble that Paula Atrades, Daughter of Leto Atredes, doesn't decide to be a child and accidentally falls down the stairs, or falls into the ocean, or accidentally impaled herself playing with grandpappy's sword. Or that the Baron or Duke just said "gently caress it", declared outright war and "whoops, we wiped out the other royal family. Whatcha gonna do?" Technology keeps the children safe and BG devotees keep the Houses from going “gently caress it” by always whispering in their ears... Wasn’t the groundwork for the prophecy that Paul takes advantage of laid hundreds of years before he was born?
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Oct 30, 2021 18:11
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:idk how you got that impression of the BG and how powerful they are. Mohiam couldn't even stop the Baron from trying to kill Paul and Jessica. If they were so powerful, he wouldn't have tried to rules lawyer her. She did tell Jessica that the BG did everything they could for Paul, with the implication that her hubris brought all of them too close to the sun.
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Oct 31, 2021 01:20
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Inspector Gesicht posted:How far back did people realise how much Foundation blows? There's very little to the series but an ideology that doesn't hold up. No real characters or setting to speak of. I mean, “psychohistory” is just very advanced game theory and is a peer-reviewed science, at this point in history.  But, to answer your question: I think people always knew Foundation was dry and boring. It’s basically a fictional version of The History and Decline of the Roman Empire with a mid-century understanding of the “Dark Ages.”
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Oct 31, 2021 15:53
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On the one hand, this is probably the best depiction of ornithopters put to film. On the other hand, they still look too mechanical, for me.
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Oct 31, 2021 21:26
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Boris Galerkin posted:I just want someone to tell me about the book in between telling me to like and subscribe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxq2ztkE0eE Five minutes.
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Oct 31, 2021 23:07
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errrr...stop at 2 minutes if you don’t want to spoil parts 2 and 3!
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Oct 31, 2021 23:09
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Two and a half hours is a long film, but not the almost four hour cut DV made...
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Vagabong posted:I was wondering if anyone found that the scenes of Paul's Terrible Purpose failed to communicate that the incoming jihad was a bad thing. It makes sense if you've read the book, but my non-book reader mate thought it was just standard heroic prophecy stuff; aside from the piles of burnt corpses that aren't directly connected to Paul there's not much else giving off bad vibes if your expecting a traditional hero narrative. I thought the score really helped to set the mood. Those visions did not have a heroic feel, to me, because of the discordant music pulsing underneath. The vision in the tent had an especially dark vibe... Presto posted:OK, so it's not just me. I thought I was having a senior moment, because a lot of the dialog came across like "Arblegarblemumble Harkonen blah". I watch pretty much everything with subs, now...
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Nov 1, 2021 03:45
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Not really an answer to this, but regular old FTL *does* exist in the dune universe separate from and pre-dating spice. I don’t think it does. Prior to spice, didn’t they rely on advanced, AI supercomputers which are now outlawed and religiously banned? Typo posted:also come on shadeout mapes drew the crysknife w/o shedding blood! Check, like, 10 posts up thread...
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Inspector Gesicht posted:So, video game adaptations. Where could we go using only the official book canon (gently caress off Brian and KJA) and the new movies style and presentation? I’d say “give it to Paradox,” but someone has probably already made a Dune mod for CK2...
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Nov 2, 2021 00:16
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Origami Dali posted:Did I miss a part where the movie explains what drum sand is? When Paul steps on it and says "drum sand!" panicked, it was as if we were supposed to know what that means, but since the audience hasn't been told what it is, it was a big ??? moment in the middle of what was supposed to be a suspenseful scene. On the one hand, it is self-explanatory... On the other hand, I’m certain there is a cut or extended scene on Caladan where Paul is watching the video about the Fremen’s desert walk and it continues to explain drum sand...
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Presto posted:I thought the point of the dual was for "Paul" to "die". He had a vision right before that that said Paul Atreides had to die so that Mua'dib or whatever could rise, and there was a line that if you kill someone, you kill yourself. And his mom says he has never killed anyone. The voice in the vision also says “when you take another’s life, you take your own...” I think it’s a ~Paul the Man must kill off Paul the Boy~ kind of deal.
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Nov 2, 2021 01:41
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I liked when the movie stopped to play Deserts of Kharak for ten minutes. 
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Nov 2, 2021 02:55
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stop talking about the man who has a separate bedroom because he can’t pleasure his wife: he wants you to talk about him
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It'd make a great miniseries, no idea how you would even turn the first book into a film...
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There is so, so, so much Catholic suicide in the Hyperion Cantos.
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Steve Yun posted:Lee Pace. 
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wow an entire page and no one has mad this obvious suggestion
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The worst thing I can say about DUNC is also the best thing I can say about the miniseries: Villeneuve’s work feels like a AAA, high-budget version of the 2000 miniseries; replete with huge special effects, big name actors, and a score to match the scale.
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Ej posted:Ahh, thanks, missed those. It seems like the general underclass and fremen might have a more egalitarian split, at least in terms of servants and fighters. Y'all also forgot the Emperor's herald!
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ALFbrot posted:I actually blame Enemy of the State for a lot of the insane paranoia I've seen in regards to government technological capability and then the orange man tweeted a photo that was supposed to be impossible so 
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Halloween Jack posted:I would've enjoyed it more if the ending wasn't a setup for a Part II which is about as likely to be made as a remake of The Day the Clown Cried. But Part 2 is already greenlit and in pre-production? 
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Nov 15, 2021 17:32
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People keep saying the SyFy Dune is cheap, but it’s hard to explain what a high-production budget that was for TV twenty years ago: huge, detailed matte paintings, boatloads of costumed extras, and a lot of SFX work (which hasn’t aged well, but was years before  showed that good sfx could be done on TV)...
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Zimmer is apparently a huge Dune fan and poured all of his effort into the score and it really shows. The music elevates almost every scene, except for the Wonder Woman Call, which is this generation of film’s Inception Button.
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Halloween Jack posted:A burseg poo poo in he own mouth, a shameful burseg  a deep cut 
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I can't imagine the thought process involved with bookmarking a thread on a movie you seriously dislike, then posting in the thread dozens of times to reiterate how absolutely terrible you think the film is. It's pretty wild. I see you’ve never been to  .
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After watching more than once, I really appreciate which scenes and moments they chose and it really does a lot with not a lot of time (the film doesn’t feel like 2.5 hours), but I think they filmed a lot more than they decided to put into the theatrical cut. It’s sucks that DV is averse to recuts, because I think more time to develop the side characters would have given everything more room to breathe. Maybe I’m spoiled by TV.
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Nov 18, 2021 21:11
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Noam Chomsky posted:Because your dad actually watches movies instead of "watching" them, as in letting them play in the background and looking up sometimes while he scrolls through a dead comedy forum. I think this is the reason a lot of people familiar with the material haven’t clicked with it.
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Famethrowa posted:just saw again--did anyone else feel like the lead-up to the close encounter with the worm was originally intended to be silent? I really noticed some jarring ADR like "let me check my compass to make sure we go the right way" and "this is how you do the worm dance" that made me think they added it for the "dummies". Best post itt: Failed Imagineer posted:Sound goes "boom", then he steps on it twice more and it goes "boom boom" and he says "drum sand". The viewer, knowing what both "drum" and "sand" mean individually, is invited to use abductive reasoning to explore the subtextual connection between the two
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I would just like a little extra time on Arrakis between the arrival from Caladan and the attack. A little more Duncan and Yueh, so their deaths have a little more weight, and maybe 24-35 more minutes with the Sardaukar throat singer.
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I thought they did a good enough job of showing the sabotage. The characters mention it a couple of times in dialogue and there are big visual cues, like going from Cthulhu harvesters to playing Deserts of Kharak.
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sebmojo posted:the baron says it was extremely expensive, so he's either lying to his nephew or it was extremely expensive. I get what OP is saying: "extremely expensive" covers everything from "a few less oil rejuvenations this year" to "it bankrupt the house and we have 30 days to make more spice before the emperor sends us to the Bone Zone."
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