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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

the three armed orange aliens, the green one who can split into different parts

Those are both from TAS, even. Quite a lot of the aliens on Lower Decks have been TAS, they had some really good alien designs back then.

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


True, but now they have a budget and a willingness to actually draw people on model. TAS drew M'ress like a boss-eyed koala.

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Aug 1, 2014

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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

True, but now they have a budget and a willingness to actually draw people on model. TAS drew M'ress like a boss-eyed koala.

Yeah, I like Lower Deck's koala better.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

MikeJF posted:

Those are both from TAS, even. Quite a lot of the aliens on Lower Decks have been TAS, they had some really good alien designs back then.

Lower Decks, making TAS completely cannon one crazy alien design at a time.

But yeah while they had to cheap out on how much actual animation they could have in the animation, the designs of everything were really interesting and they certainly made full use of the freedoms being a drawn/painted medium allowed.

Much as I really like lower decks I do wish they'd go a bit more out there sometimes. Also just not the biggest fan of the ultra clean design style that it and a lot of modern comedies use. Can really see the difference between like seasons 2-3 of the Simpsons vs now.

Not to say that LD can't sometimes be really visually intresting in creative ways or anything, or that TAS wasn't sometimes pretty visually dull, but yeah:

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

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dr_rat posted:

Lower Decks, making TAS completely cannon one crazy alien design at a time.

But yeah while they had to cheap out on how much actual animation they could have in the animation, the designs of everything were really interesting and they certainly made full use of the freedoms being a drawn/painted medium allowed.

Much as I really like lower decks I do wish they'd go a bit more out there sometimes. Also just not the biggest fan of the ultra clean design style that it and a lot of modern comedies use. Can really see the difference between like seasons 2-3 of the Simpsons vs now.

Not to say that LD can't sometimes be really visually intresting in creative ways or anything, or that TAS wasn't sometimes pretty visually dull, but yeah:


I think what Lower Decks lacks in overt visual style, they really make up for in overall animation quality and things like facial expressions. Just the way the characters move looks more like movie money than TV money. Bob's Burgers Movie had a massive upgrade in animation in the movie that was very clear, and the way the characters move in Lower Decks reminds me a lot of that.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

swickles posted:

I think what Lower Decks lacks in overt visual style, they really make up for in overall animation quality and things like facial expressions.

Oh yeah LD certainly is high quality animation for tv. They'll often just have chases sequences and what not that would be a real bitch to animate. Or just some times doing long detailed establishing shots with crowds, which yeah adds a lot to establishing a setting by oh man actually drawing and animating that stuff.

Buy yeah I get the feeling the style was mostly chosen as it is, or at least was, one of the more common/popular comedy animation styles. Although I don't think it would at all fit the tone and comedy style of LD I'm very curious what an Archer animation style would look like set in a retro TAS period star trek show. Or see what a Phil Tippett stop motion star trek short would look like of the same.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Well when you're talking about the style on lower decks there's the character style and the background style - I can see how some people might not be that fond of the character style or wonder if it should be something different, but the background art is impeccable and in my mind just an ideal animated representation of TNG era aesthetics.

(That said, when it comes to foreground animation style these days, a lot elements of the modern 'common' look that people often say looks very samey between shows is simply a conquence of now things being made for HD, and also that that's the style that you get using computer-driven animation tooling and tweening to achieve high quality while remaining affordable.)

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No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Yeah I love the environmental design of the show, it's like what if 90s trek but they can actually depict all the locations they're visiting in full detail, rather than just dressed soundstages or california countryside

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


An Archer style comedy would at the same time be exactly like and completely different to Lower Decks and now I really want to see it.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

An Archer style comedy would at the same time be exactly like and completely different to Lower Decks and now I really want to see it.

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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


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Aug 1, 2014

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Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

An Archer style comedy would at the same time be exactly like and completely different to Lower Decks and now I really want to see it.

I read this and I thought "ENT but with Scott Bakula replaced by Sterling Archer" andÖI'm not mad about it.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

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dr_rat posted:

Although I don't think it would at all fit the tone and comedy style of LD I'm very curious what an Archer animation style would look like set in a retro TAS period star trek show.

I'm not sure what it is or why, but for some reason the Archer look just completely does not work for me. It just looks ugly in a way that is off-putting and unpleasant. I feel like I must be the only one with this condition.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I'm not sure what it is or why, but for some reason the Archer look just completely does not work for me. It just looks ugly in a way that is off-putting and unpleasant. I feel like I must be the only one with this condition.

I thought it was amusing in Frisky Dingo among all the other goofily animated cartoons, which I assume all did that in part just to make Venture Bros even more of an oasis of good animation. Then they rebooted Frisky Dingo into Archer but kept the art style while also trying to make it better... Which made it look worse when combined with their animation style.

There's also not much reason it's animated at all and not just a radio program, besides the fact nobody listens to radio programs anymore. The show is just a handful of voice actors yelling at each other, even people who seem to always treat TV as something they must watch fully to the exclusion of all other activity could surely enjoy Archer from the audio alone just as much as the same thing with a few stiffly animated talking paper dolls.

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Jul 13, 2004

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I'm not sure what it is or why, but for some reason the Archer look just completely does not work for me. It just looks ugly in a way that is off-putting and unpleasant. I feel like I must be the only one with this condition.

Nope, took me years of friends recommending me the show for me to look past the art and enjoy the jokes. I think it's the line weights

well why not
Feb 9, 2009




Archer drives me nuts. Once I first realised how little animation was going on, it became infuriating.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Just when I was about to recommend Clutch Cargo to you :sigh:

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

well why not posted:

Archer drives me nuts. Once I first realised how little animation was going on, it became infuriating.

Thatís definitely only the case for the first few seasons.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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The_Doctor posted:

ďOk, and what band is playing on the ship at the end of the episode? Weíre 50/50 on S Club 7 or Lifehouse.Ē

What's that term for when you learn a new word and then start seeing it everywhere?

Because I went a quarter of a century without hearing or thinking of S Club7 and now I've seen them mentioned 4 times in the last week and a half.

Monica Bellucci
Dec 14, 2022
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well why not
Feb 9, 2009




Big Mean Jerk posted:

Thatís definitely only the case for the first few seasons.

It got better (some of the CG car stuff was pretty good) but itís still basically a slideshow for most of its runtime. I donít think they animated Archer walking for like 4 seasons.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
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Megillah Gorilla posted:

What's that term for when you learn a new word and then start seeing it everywhere?

Because I went a quarter of a century without hearing or thinking of S Club7 and now I've seen them mentioned 4 times in the last week and a half.

Baader-Meinhoff Effect

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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