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Drone posted:The show had like 12 Also his dad was dying, he wrote a pretty moving essay about writing Star Trek episodes by his dad's deathbed after a lifetime of watching Star Trek together
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:lol remember when people said "oh, short seasons and internet streaming will mean writers can plan out the most exquisitely written plot arcs" God we were all so stupid lmao that's definitely a take i regret ever saying or believing
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Sep 30, 2020 10:22
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Ramadu posted:God we were all so stupid lmao that's definitely a take i regret ever saying or believing I still think it's true, but there's this weird disconnect where writers and producers are applying traditional TV series techniques to short streaming seasons and falling on their faces.
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Sep 30, 2020 10:48
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Yeah, it's viable when the method is actually applied.
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Sep 30, 2020 12:02
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:lol remember when people said "oh, short seasons and internet streaming will mean writers can plan out the most exquisitely written plot arcs" It's still true. They can. They just loving didn't
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Sep 30, 2020 12:07
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Kesper North posted:Also his dad was dying, he wrote a pretty moving essay about writing Star Trek episodes by his dad's deathbed after a lifetime of watching Star Trek together I have no reason to really have anything against Chabon at all. All indications are that Picard got really and truly hosed With by someone at the last minute and I kinda really doubt it was him.
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Sep 30, 2020 12:18
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Imagine making your dream come true and with your own father on his deathbed you are writing the scenarios of things you both enjoy. The only good thing is that his father didn't see how the producers massacred his work.
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Sep 30, 2020 12:32
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Chabon has to have been part of the problem if nothing else because he was posting away on instagram not understanding why people were complaining about the show.
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Sep 30, 2020 15:56
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I mean, it's not like there's a ton else he could do if he wants to not get fired from his job. Like he can't just start apologizing for it when CBS's completely fabricated narrative and literal purchased social media bots keep talking about how amazing Picard is omgallthefeelz.
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Sep 30, 2020 16:13
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Chabon wasn't strong enough in this space to stand up for himself is what I assume happened. Kurtzman, Stewart, and Goldsman probably walked all over him whether he realized it or not. I don't think that Stewart even really knew what was going on week to week, he keeps bringing up Brexit in interviews but I hardly see that in the show.
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Sep 30, 2020 16:43
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There’s actually a good story buried in Picard. Had they just excised all the Borg and Romulan conspiracy nonsense, and just have it be a story about an aging Picard learning to accept he is past his prime and learning to let Data go, it probably would have been pretty drat okay. But you know, Borg go boom! Incest! Game of Thrones!
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Sep 30, 2020 17:34
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The second there’s a giant purple space laser opening a portal for monsters to fly out of, you’ve gone full dumb schlock. Which is absolutely fine if you’re making a marvel film that has no pretence of being anything more, but when your trying to do an in-depth serious depressing character study about a old man dealing with the regret and loss suffered throughout his life, it’s just a sign nobody writing it really gave a poo poo.
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Sep 30, 2020 18:07
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Pastamania posted:The second there’s a giant purple space laser opening a portal for monsters to fly out of, you’ve gone full dumb schlock. Which is absolutely fine if you’re making a marvel film that has no pretence of being anything more, but when your trying to do an in-depth serious depressing character study about a old man dealing with the regret and loss suffered throughout his life, it’s just a sign nobody writing it really gave a poo poo. Also you really need to keep track of what your themes are across the season, lest the moral of your story end up being 'be nice to minorities, or else they'll tap into their inner violence and murder you all'.
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Sep 30, 2020 18:11
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Drone posted:The show had like 12 I don't think this argument holds water. Look at the opening credits of any episode of Law & Order, or the end credits of TNG or whatever. Between executive producers, co-executive producers, associate producers, assistant producers and the like, you'll easily see a dozen or more names with those titles.
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Sep 30, 2020 18:49
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I've come to the sad conclusion that the only thing I enjoyed about Picard was the theme song Ah well
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Sep 30, 2020 19:14
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Brawnfire posted:I've come to the sad conclusion that the only thing I enjoyed about Picard was the theme song You didn't enjoy the two former Tal Shiar agents?
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Sep 30, 2020 19:29
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There were a lot of cool things about Picard, they were all just half-assed or left dangling Romulans, dog, borg recovery project, holo-crew, riker pizza, inclusion of tng and voyager characters it just all went out with a wet fart
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Sep 30, 2020 19:32
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Seemed to me the show took a sharp turn the minute they introduced Brent Spiner as Soong’s never-before-mentioned-but-totally-canon biological son. I think that’s the point where the show got meddled into oblivion.
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Sep 30, 2020 19:53
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Romulan farmers were cool. Rios was cool. Raffi might have been cool and I know her actor was desperate to make the best out of her character but the writers did her dirty. Hugh got done dirty. Seven shouldn't have been on this show unless it was heavily re-written. Other characters were meh.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:02
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Timby posted:I don't think this argument holds water. Look at the opening credits of any episode of Law & Order, or the end credits of TNG or whatever. Between executive producers, co-executive producers, associate producers, assistant producers and the like, you'll easily see a dozen or more names with those titles.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:06
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I like the Romulan farmers because OF COURSE ex-Tal Shiar members would deck out their house like John Wick with phasers and disruptors hidden behind everything and under every piece of furniture. No longer being super spies doesn’t mean they’re no longer super spies.
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The Bloop posted:It's still true. They can. They just loving didn't and they won't lol
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Sep 30, 2020 20:09
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They even said “oh man this covid thing is giving our writers the time to plan season 2 before it starts shooting!” like it was some novel concept
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Lord Krangdar posted:If the entire season had been about Picard and Seven trying to help the ex-Borg who were being experimented on by Romulans, that would have fit both characters so much more. I don't understand why they chose to do the Skynet / Mass Effect plot, especially right after season 2 of Discovery did such a similar plot. You want to talk about similar plots? Think about this: Disco s1 was set up to be about the Klingon war. Halfway through the season, a twist reveals that the secret bad guy was Lorca and his mirror universe plan the whole time. Disco s2 was set up to be about section 31 or the red angel doing some bad stuff. Halfway through the season, a twist reveals that the secret bad guy was a rogue AI the whole time. Picard was set up to be about Romulans hunting androids. Halfway through the season, a twist reveals that the secret bad guy was a super machine empire galaxies away or something.
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MichiganCubbie posted:You didn't enjoy the two former Tal Shiar agents? Oh I did enjoy them, they just weren't used really after their introduction and initial purpose, so what's to even really like? It felt like they literally wasted two whole motivated backstories that were plot-pertinent. They hit two over-the-fence home runs but it turned out there were only two balls so they made the rest of the game about going to buy more balls at the ball store. Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Sep 30, 2020 |
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The Bloop posted:There were a lot of cool things about Picard, they were all just half-assed or left dangling Same. It could have been great but just wound up being okay. There have been far worse things done in and under the name of Star Trek though, so I just can't muster the energy to be infinimad about it like so many others can. Hopefully they'll get poo poo sorted out by the time they start working on season two, I don't know. Taste is ultimately subjective and I can stomach Trek being just "middling to okay", at least for a while, if that really is their high water mark.
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Sep 30, 2020 21:07
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Lister posted:You want to talk about similar plots? Think about this: The AI monster thing the androids summons is Control. Also there’ll be some time travel shenanigans to send Georgeou back to Pikes Era to with knowledge of some mcguffin that can stop it. Each show will have a plot involving the crew getting a not-infinity Stone and hiding it somewhere for Disco to use. Yes, even Lower Decks. Picard will actually be about Seven, who will also time travel to the future, possibly with creepy elf ninja dude. Tilly will say a swear word and Michael will burst into tears. A writer will justify it by saying how a robot named ‘control’, is like, a powerful metaphor for, like, Facebook and stuff man, it’s an epic for our, like, time. Then Star Trek will go back in the cupboard for another 15 years.
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Brawnfire posted:Oh I did enjoy them, they just weren't used really after their introduction and initial purpose, so what's to even really like? It felt like they literally wasted two whole motivated backstories that were plot-pertinent. They hit two over-the-fence home runs but it turned out there were only two balls so they made the rest of the game about going to buy more balls at the ball store. They're emblematic of the sheer strangeness surrounding the decisions in making Picard. They spend two episodes developing these supporting characters who are colourful, likeable, and have all the action-spy skills you need for a secret mission into Romulan space and then the moment the actual adventure starts they're left behind and never heard from again. All that time building them up was completely wasted and we instead have to spend an episode getting introduced to Space-Legolas, who is interesting as a single paragraph character concept but then has absolutely nothing done with him. It's not even that there were good ideas lost in pre-production and the script room, they actually filmed this stuff and then got bored and started filming something else.
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Abandoning the far and away best of the new characters was the strangest decision of the entire season.
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Sep 30, 2020 23:42
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Meanwhile we spent all that time with Narek and Narissa, who seem to be the result of someone in the writer's room saying "hey, what if we just remade Zuko and Azula from AtLA, but without any of the qualities that made either of those characters interesting or sympathetic?" I also don't understand why they established Narissa as having the "Lt. Rizzo" cover identity, since she never actually uses it after her introduction. Honestly it feels kinda weird that PIC is getting a second season. The only real throughline PIC had was the mystery of Soji and Data, and everything about that was resolved by the final episode, which means none of the cast really has a reason to hang around with each other anymore. Hell, the ending of the final episode honestly feels like they were expecting the show to be a one-and-done miniseries, but then got the call they were renewed for another season so they hastily rewrote the ending to give them an out so they could continue the show. Marshal Radisic fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Abandoning the far and away best of the new characters was the strangest decision of the entire season. They weren't sexy enough, they needed younger sexier supporting characters.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Meanwhile we spent all that time with Narek and Narissa, who seem to be the result of someone in the writer's room saying "hey, what if we just remade Zuko and Azula from AtLA, but without any of the qualities that made either of those characters interesting or sympathetic?" I also don't understand why they established Narissa as having the "Lt. Rizzo" cover identity, since she never actually uses it after her introduction.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Honestly it feels kinda weird that PIC is getting a second season. The only real throughline PIC had was the mystery of Soji and Data, and everything about that was resolved by the final episode, which means none of the cast really has a reason to hang around with each other anymore. Hell, the ending of the final episode honestly feels like they were expecting the show to be a one-and-done miniseries, but then got the call they were renewed for another season so they hastily rewrote the ending to give them an out so they could continue the show. I wonder if the original intention was to kill Picard at the end, and decided against it when they got the renewal?
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Zaroff posted:I wonder if the original intention was to kill Picard at the end, and decided against it when they got the renewal? It certainly seems like that was the intention. Maybe what they were setting up was similar to the fan-theory that Picard would die and the crew would name the ship Picard and they would go on further space adventures after. You can keep pretty much the whole ending and make Picard the ship's AI or something so Stewart could just do voice acting. I could see CBS executives hearing that idea and telling them that there was no way they were renewing the show without Stewart. Or, maybe Stewart told them he would only do one season then changed his mind?
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pyrotek posted:It certainly seems like that was the intention. Maybe what they were setting up was similar to the fan-theory that Picard would die and the crew would name the ship Picard and they would go on further space adventures after. You can keep pretty much the whole ending and make Picard the ship's AI or something so Stewart could just do voice acting. I could see CBS executives hearing that idea and telling them that there was no way they were renewing the show without Stewart. And as a hologram. And as a perfect android replica who can go on adventures with the crew - wait, this sounds familiarly Roddenberryish.
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Wow, that's the first time I thought of Andromeda since about two minutes after the show ended. Andromeda had an even more tragic disparity between its potential and the final product. Even Picard didn't have that kind of gulf.
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Payndz posted:Make Picard the ship's AI, who appears as a face on a screen.
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Arc Light posted:Wow, that's the first time I thought of Andromeda since about two minutes after the show ended.
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Oct 1, 2020 10:33
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Goodness me this weeks Lower Decks is exceptional.
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J33uk posted:Goodness me this weeks Lower Decks is exceptional. i'm still in the middle of it but the early scene with da vinci skeetshooting on the holodeck was fun edit: oh goddammit only one more episode 
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