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Norwegian Rudo posted:Recommending Michelle Yeoh movies and only including western movies I know what you mean, but this made me think of Michelle Yeoh in a cowboy hat
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MikeJF posted:the secondary hull being a V shape is just much better in terms of overall balance of the thing. It gives it a paper-airplane kind of feel, and somehow I can't decide if that's awesome or terrible.
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Jan 22, 2020 19:58
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Finally saw the Picard premiere, and... I like it. Not the way I like Discovery, where you kind of have to cherry-pick the good bits* to enjoy. I straight-up like this. You don't HAVE to know all the Trek trivia to enjoy it, but the show certainly rewards you with plenty of cookies if you happen to know the decades' worth of lore. (Lore! Ha-ha!  )One thing I thought of that I haven't seen mentioned yet: the whole thing about reconstructing Data's mind from one positronic neuro-something? It reminded me of the way real-life holograms work. You know that little hologram on your credit card? Each tiny piece of it contains the complete image of the bird. Cut it in half and you can still see the complete bird in each half (although each piece has lost some possible viewing angles). Maybe Data's positronic memory-things work in a similar way. * Namely, Doug Jones and Anson Mount.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:The biggest canard I see trotted out is a claim that Star Trek is "about science" which is one of the most incorrect sentences about star trek there is. There's a fairly big overlap between sci-fi nerds and science nerds. It's distressingly common for fans to mistake Trek's "artificial science flavoring" for something a lot more genuine. Maybe it's because Trek uses real-world scientific terms like positronic and quantum and gravimetric to describe its sci-fi bolognium, instead of having totally made-up terminology like in Harry Potter or the MCU.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:03
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Random thought. Did anyone else think it was a little unfair of Jean-Luc to blame the reporter for not being familiar with "Dunkirk"? It happened almost five hundred years ago. It'd be like us name-dropping (*throws a dart at Wikipedia*) "Castillon" to a reporter and then castigating them for not immediately recognizing that you mean the battle from the Hundred Years' War. I get that he was mad, but it still seemed unfair to throw it in her face.
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Jan 25, 2020 21:34
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What kind of poker are they playing in the opening scene of Picard? I've been wanting to learn more variations of poker and I've never seen one where the players asks for cards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_poker Draw poker is out of fashion at the moment, but once upon a time five-card draw was what someone meant when they said just "poker".
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Jan 25, 2020 21:42
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Anson Mount owns For posterity, and for anyone who'd rather not click through to Zuckerbergland: 
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Jan 25, 2020 23:37
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marktheando posted:But who made the glasses that Bones gave Kirk? I never got the impression that the glasses were some kind of eternal object looping through time. Kirk was just making a little joke.
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Jan 26, 2020 19:10
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marktheando posted:They totally are, they have no origin. They appear in 1986 when Kirk sells them, and disappear when he goes back in time. [citation needed] There's nothing (except a very particular interpretation of Kirk's joke) to suggest they aren't a perfectly ordinary pair of glasses that happened to get brought back in time and left there, so for a few centuries there were two of them. Let's say that on Vulcan at the start of the movie, a pebble got stuck in the tread of Kirk's shoe. It came back in time with them, and it fell out when he and Spock were walking around the aquarium. Is that pebble an eternal object too? Does it have to somehow find its way back to Vulcan by the 23rd century so it can be there on the landing platform to get stuck in Kirk's shoe again? Or does that pebble just exist in two places for a while before the original disappears aboard the Bounty? e: Or an even better example: Data's head.
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Jan 26, 2020 19:52
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Cojawfee posted:The argument is based on the idea that when Kirk sells the glasses to the guy, they eventually are acquired by Bones and given back to Kirk. I know. My point is that there's nothing whatsoever to suggest that it's what actually happens. And we have a very strong counterexample showing that that's NOT how it works: Data's head.
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Jan 26, 2020 20:16
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MichiganCubbie posted:With the glasses, which are heavily implied to be the exact same pair: Why do the frames have to be an eternal indestructible paradoxical looping object, but you're fine with the lenses being ordinary items that were manufactured, hung around for a few centuries, then went back in time and were in two places at once from 1986 to 2286? (In your example, one set of lenses would be mounted in the frames and one set in a landfill somewhere.) What makes the objects so different? Wouldn't it be simpler to say that the glasses (lenses included) were made in the 18th century or so, hung around for five hundred years, went back in time, and then there were two of them (one with a broken lens) from 1986 to 2286? It's no different than Data's head, Chekov's phaser, or a pebble stuck to Kirk's shoe.
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Jan 26, 2020 21:07
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I saw Casino Royale (tng 2x12) back in 1993-ish when I was a kid, but rediscovered and devoured multiple times all of trek except for TAS and TOS in 2013. Saw all the movies multiple times(even TMP till Undiscovered Country), but was always cautious when it comes to TOS/TAS. Start with one of the really good ones and see how it strikes you. I'd suggest Balance of Terror if you like starship combat, or The Devil in the Dark if you want strange new lifeforms. marktheando posted:I mean it's a predestination paradox either way, so I'm not sure why you are so insistent it can't be the same pair looping endlessly, when that's what we are told in the film. If we're taking absolutely everything literally, then Bones is actually a Romulan. He admitted as much in Wrath of Khan when he showed up at Kirk's apartment. (I don't see why everyone is so dead-set against the possibility, just because he "was obviously joking" or because there's "literally nothing else to suggest such an extraordinary thing" and "plenty of evidence against it". He's a Romulan since that's what we were told in the film. 
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Jan 26, 2020 22:08
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marktheando posted:Why do you think Kirk was joking about them being the same pair? There is zero evidence against it. Except for nothing else in the entire history of Star Trek ever working that way. Hell, there's not even anything to suggest that's what Kirk meant. He and Spock are currently in the past, so the birthday when he got the glasses from McCoy is in the future. So they'll be gifted to him "again" when that time comes. It's a long, LONG way from that one throwaway line -- delivered with a wicked grin -- to "these glasses were never created, will never be destroyed, are somehow invulnerable to wear and tear, and will continue on a never-ending loop through the next three hundred years over and over, and I am being absolutely serious here, I have somehow been gifted the sure and certain knowledge that this remarkable object is absolutely unique and fundamentally different from every other one we've ever encountered, including everything else we brought back in time with us."
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I think I'm going to go huff a paper bag full of mycelial spores until I understand time travel. 
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Cynic Jester posted:
You say this like it's a problem
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Jan 27, 2020 00:14
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Arglebargle III posted:To be fair they called virtually everything about the show. And they'd be the first to tell you it's not because they're geniuses, there's just not many plot hooks for prestige TV and Picard. The vineyard, Romulans, Borg, Data, called all of it months ago. Whatever they think about it I would imagine some of their disappointment is how predictable it is. Gosh, the show includes the stuff that was in the trailers, how horrible.  e: typo Powered Descent fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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As to the notion of the Federation being modern-day America... when has it ever NOT been? In 1966 the Federation was in a cold war with another superpower which might turn hot at any moment. In 1991 the collapse of that rival meant it was suddenly the most powerful nation in the known galaxy. In 2001 the (proto-)Federation became all about Hard Men Making Hard Choices in the aftermath of an attack. And in 2020, it remains to be seen exactly what the Federation is, but there was another big attack that's now a few decades in its past which altered its trajectory in galactic history.
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Epicurius posted:I don't think I've ever sat through one of their reviews. I still like their reviews of the Star Wars prequels. Those are funny as hell.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I'll go and rewatch then, I dont remember that line It's at 40:05 in the video. "I believe that Maddox modeled her on an old painting of Data's."
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MikeJF posted:I assume Maddox didn't actually base her on the painting, he based her on Data's conception of what another daughter might look like, an image that Data also chose to paint and give to Picard. From Data's Day: Data posted:Dear Commander Maddox, in reference to your most recent letter, I agree that your study lacks the primary source information on my programming and operation. Therefore; in response to your request, this correspondence will include a complete record of my activities during a normal day, with particular emphasis on friendship. They were clearly regular correspondents. Data made the painting somewhere around two years after this episode. Is it really such a stretch to imagine another letter: "Dear Commander Maddox, I have been continuing my experiments with artwork. This week I completed a diptych which I have entitled Daughter (see attached image). I consider it one of my most successful pieces so far and I wish to gift it to one of my friends, but I have yet to decide if it would be more appreciated by Captain Picard or Dr. Crusher."
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zoux posted:Yeah, without fail every piece of media made before 2000 about the future had videophones in it, like that was a given. Now we all have video phones, we carry them around with us, but no one uses it except grandparents. Owlbear Camus posted:Grandparents... and the very horney. And, you know, business meetings that have someone videoconferencing in. Hell, I'll be doing that for two meetings this afternoon.
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Torrannor posted:Have to say, I hate that the Discovery thread was merged with the rest. I have 1000 unread posts in this thread already, this sucks. The Discovery thread was slow enough that I never missed a post, and it was predictably slow when no episodes were coming out. I much preferred it this way, and I don't know why the old thread had to be closed when we could have just waited until season 3 of Discovery aired. I agree. I understand not wanting to have 47 different Trek threads, but they are different shows. There's going to be a lot of overlap between the viewerships, but it's not 100%. This is already the de facto Picard thread, so I think we should officially make it so, and reopen the Disco thread and make new ones for the new shows when they arrive.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Well hold on to your loving hat mate, and listen to this: Odo You Just Didn't The Sisko Kid Morn Free
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The Bloop posted:Weirdly, it was supposed to sound like that and it was Sir PatStew that got the long A version into American conciseness No, the long-A version was already very common. It's what we always used in Apple II programming class, for example. But I do think that Sir Patrick did change the way America pronounces a different word: futile.
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Brawnfire posted:That was funny.  [music of the spheres intensifies]
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, that to me was the only real immersions breaking part of her situation. “Really? She literally lives at Vasquez Rocks? Noted famous tourist destination Vasquez Rocks? Even known as a hotspot for non-Star Trek reasons? She must have to shoot like a dozen people a day with her phaser rifle then to keep them away from her trailer. I’m surprised the state of California hasn’t evicted her yet. She’s living in a national park, isn’t she?” Perhaps they created a shitload of artificial "Vasquez Rocks" formations for people to live at, precisely because it's so popular. Of course anyone who goes for a "desert hippie" aesthetic is going to pick a cookie-cutter Vasquez to put their house in front of; it's so common it's almost a stereotype. ...okay, probably not. But hey, with the whole post-scarcity thing, you never know. It might be as meaningless as someone today having a poster of a Van Gogh on their wall. It doesn't mean they actually own The Starry Night. (Bonus points to anyone who knows off the top of their head who DOES own The Starry Night in the TNG era.)
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Keeping the focus on what's really important: the sunglasses.Den of Geek posted:Though she kept her Vulcan cards hidden, Tomita revealed one delightful secret about Commodore Oh — the origin of her sunglasses in that scene where she sneaks-up behind Alison Pill. Turns out, this was a small Easter egg connected to a very different Jean-Luc; the French filmmaker Jean-Luc Goddard, or, more specifically one actress, Anna Karina, whom Goddard worked with in several famous films like A Woman is a Woman and The Little Solider. https://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-trek/285702/star-trek-picard-who-is-commodore-oh So yeah, sounds to me like they're not actually a cryptic reveal about the Vulcan third eyelid. They just picked a style that they thought would look cool. 
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Why don't we all just vape some snake root and relax, folks One time I was so hosed up on snake leaf I picked up the wrong jar and accidentally vaped some Hupyrian beetle snuff. Let's just say that's NOT an experience I recommend.
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zoux posted:Worf getting full on Klingon Mad because he can't get the straw into his Plasma Prune Capri Sun Gagh flavored Qapla' Sun
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I mean, that's what it is so far in the show. The "well actually" just seems to be some backstory the show runners had on deck for when fans get on their case about it; all you're supposed to get out of it as a normal viewer is "space drugs." I honestly wonder if he came up with some nonsense words on the fly, knowing that all us Trekkies would accept it without a second thought.
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Tars Tarkas posted:Same, I like Dajh so much better than Soji it's weird even though I don't think she's really playing them that differently. Add me to that pile too. But my hot take is that it's all in the writing of the characters, and not much to do with the acting. Soji's had a lot more screen time by now but we still have no clear sense of who she (thinks she) is or why she (thinks she) is even there on the cube in the first place. But then I'm also finding the entire storyline on the cube to be a complete drag compared to the one on Earth, for pretty much the same reason. In Jean-Luc's storyline on Earth, there's a lot that we the audience don't know yet, but they're presented as mysteries that the characters are trying to solve. On the Borg cube, there's also a lot that we the audience don't know, but that's just because the writers haven't gotten around to telling us very much of it yet.
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm now picturing a scene of Maddox walking Picard through his crazy backwoods Frankenstein lab pointing to various Dajhs in tubes going "That one's Alexus, Fohrd, Hundai, she's Tiyota, Reynalt, Akura, oh--and my latest creations, Alfaa and Rhomaeo!" Oh, poor, poor Edsyl. 
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: gently caress you, Bruce. I'm leaving. Rios, beam the hell out of here.
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Lizard Combatant posted:That or it's meant to hint she's a borgling herself and Hugh doesn't notice the discrepancy... for some reason. Or possibly just "species 60540, pre-warp spacefaring civilization found just this side of the Beta quadrant border, homeworld obliterated due to assimilation, all known offworld colonies assilimated". Which of course doesn't solve the mystery of how she knew the language.
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Much like previous episodes, I really enjoyed when the show was following Picard and his band of merry Hot takes for ep. 4, in no particular order: - "Jolan tru" was established as a Romulan greeting way back in the TNG days. Neat that they dug it up. (But WOW did they ever give it a workout.) - Did I miss a line that explained why the old bird-of-prey was trying to kill them? I get that it's commanded by an evil warlord and stuff, but even they don't just kill everyone they see. - The showrunners and/or the Romulans really seem to like the syllable "vash". Zhat Vash, Vashti. (And of course there's also Vash herself, but that seems like a coincidence.) - Seven's arrival was effective, but I feel like it could have been an incredibly cool out-of-the-blue surprise if the show runners had kept the secret instead of splashing her all over the advertising.
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Brawnfire posted:I don't think I've seen a good enough shot of it to be sure what it even looks like. Is there a good view of La Sirena? I took a few quick-and-dirty screenshots. Spoilering just in case, since it does show events from yesterday's episode.     
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nine-gear crow posted:Didn’t Star Trek 6 establish that Romulan Ale wasn’t illegal because the Federation and Romulus were at war so much as it was basically Uncle Jemima’s Pure Mash Liquor, and it totally hosed you up real fast? I always got the impression that Romulan Ale is illegal for the same reason that Cuban cigars are illegal. Which is to say, it's nothing to do with the product itself and it's all about international politics.
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Arglebargle III posted:I just want to remind everyone that I hate Captain Picard and America. Grammatical ambiguity. Please specify whether you hate Captain Picard and the United States, or Captain Picard and Captain America.
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Cross-Section posted:Weirdly, the more I look at this, the more I like it. It's basically the starship equivalent of a studio apartment You know, since I found myself really liking the description of the Nebula class as a "hatchback Galaxy class"... I think I can find it in me to like the description of La Sirena as a studio apartment.
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Lizard Combatant posted:What do you think the differences between fantasy and sci-fi genre actually are? Here's a hint, actual scientific accuracy is not required. It's a matter of aesthetics. If a character does an impossible thing by stepping into a magic circle, or touching an arcane artifact, or invoking a spirit, then it's fantasy. If a character does that same impossible thing by climbing into a machine, or pushing a button, or talking to a computer, then it's sci-fi. There are well-defined subgenres: high fantasy (the one with elves and orcs and stuff), hard sci-fi (getting the correct heat transfer coefficient of this aerobrake maneuver is more important than consistent characterization), urban fantasy (it's present-day but there's SEXY VAMPIRES!), etc. And of course there's plenty of room for overlap (use the Force, Luke), but most works have one aesthetic dominant over the other, even when borrowing elements.
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Lizard Combatant posted:I'd say aesthetics are the smallest part of it. The genres certainly can fit that mold, and they often do. But they don't have to. There's plenty of sci-fi where the technology is pretty much static and unchanging. Star Wars, to take the most famous example. (Go back thousands of years and the biggest difference is that lightsabers have cords to a belt pack, unless that idea died out with the old EU.) And while I'm not well-versed in fantasy, I'm certain there must be plenty of pieces where some new wrinkle in magic (or the emergence of magic itself) reshapes a society, and says something about our society in the process. Heck, there are a bunch of Discworld books that would probably qualify as that. Consider this fictional universe: a seer prophesied the happy destiny of the world, and he established an order of wizards to see to it, down through the centuries, that that destiny came to pass. The wizards' greatest challenge came many generations later when, totally at random, an immensely powerful man was born who threatened for his own selfish gain to completely usurp what had been foretold. After a great battle using their very subtle powers, the wizards were victorious over the usurper, and events were put back on their rightful path. But their final victory was never a sure thing, and so an ancient golem (who had once been befriended by the original seer) had been secretly preparing a backup plan in case the wizards failed. ...Okay, is this story sci-fi or fantasy? Well, it sounds fantasy-ish on the surface because I used words like destiny and wizard, but I'm actually describing the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov, replacing a few terms to hide the spaceships and ray guns and genetic mutations. It's definitely sci-fi. But if you were to rewrite it in a fantasy aesthetic, with wizards and magic, then yes, it'd be fantasy.
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