Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

That's not an issue with Trekkies so much as it is a cultural problem with TVIV going back fifteen years or more. People fixate on minutiae and then runn jokes about it into the ground to cover for their inability to actually watch and understand a television programme. See also deliberately misconstruing events depicted on screen to allow for criticism fitting an agenda.

HD DAD posted:

Hell, if you believe YouTube (or even SA), there’s been no good Star Trek since 1993.

Arglebargle III posted:

I think it's important to take a step back and look at the plot objectively. Data's twin daughters turn out to be characters from a secret Romulan prophecy, in which an android become The Destroyer and does some nonspecific evil. And the Super Secret-er Tal Shiar 2 exists solely to find and stop them.

This is dumb as hell guys.

marktheando posted:

Do you genuinely think this is where the show is going, because lol if so. Thats a hostile reading to the point of ridiculousness.

It's incredibly loving obvious that the show is building to the conclusion that Picard was wrong to give up and that being idealistic is good.

Tighclops posted:

This is exactly what's coming, they're building to a Picard speech as a chaser for all these horrible shots we've been doing

zoux posted:

Picard haters: what's the most recent star trek thing you actually liked

Tighclops posted:

You are far more judgemental about people who are critical of this show around here than we are about you.

zoux posted:

That's true, I guess the foolish thing would be continuing to watch a show I hate so I could bag on it on the internet.

zoux posted:

Yeah I'm furious lol

zoux posted:

Find an article anywhere that says it's performing poorly.

zoux posted:

Sorry about lots of people liking the show you hate

Should I go outside perhaps? To calm down, from being so mad?

Brawnfire posted:

Star Trek: Discovery S05E06 "The Wolf Crieth Unto the Picard Dies"

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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

I really wouldn't waste the time trying to understand it. Moronic white noise posts are Tighclops' stock-in-trade.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

You can really see the unabashed glee in Seth's eyes when the orchestra plays in the Isaac/Claire romance episode

Comrade Fakename posted:

I never mentioned Hugh. I thought his death was disappointing - he’s a cool character and I wish they’d done more with him. And if they’re going to kill a legacy character, it seems very weird to do it in front of a brand-new guy who he’s known for ten minutes. ST: Picard is very far from a perfect show! It’s got a lot of problems, mainly to do with pacing and dialogue, which I mainly chalk up to Chabon’s novelist skillset not really lining up with the requirements for TV writing.

But this:


Wow, it’s almost as if “bad things happening to people” are the fundamental building blocks of what makes people’s personalities and the foundation of good charactisation. Almost as if there is a clear theme of “everyone has tragedy in their past” in the show, with a metatextual commentary of “remember those halcyon days when TNG was on the air? Yeah, well, we’ve all been through some poo poo since then”.

You are literally complaining that “why can’t our characters be happy?” “Why can’t this new show be just like how I remember the old shows to be - white noise that some people in this thread have mentioned they genuinely used to fall asleep, and that I apparently don’t actually remember very well because the best of those shows starred a man whose wife was indirectly murdered by the lead of the show it spun off from, and the survivor of a holocaust that ended days before the series started?”

“Why can’t I be ten years old any more?”

Tighclops posted:

no

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

S31 in deep space 9 was a small and otherwise inconsequential organization that they could have very well been less than 10 people, if not just one guy, operating between the cracks of bureaucracy, who hosed things up by way of very small maneuvers that were designed to maximize their effect. They were not an omnipresent organization that every authority figure was in on, and you were supposed to treat Sloan's claims that they were with at least a little skepticism. They were small group that was subverting the Federations principles out of a misguided sense that HARD MEN needed to make HARD CHOICES, and Bashir's arc in response to them was a rejection of that belief.

This stands in massively stark contrast to how they've been portrayed since, which has been everything from space MI5 to an entire self-directed silo of starfleet with their own resources, fleet and command structure, which not only fails to understand what they were initially portrayed as, but fails to understand what starfleet is, and also completely fails to understand how actual intelligence agencies work.

Angry Salami posted:

(And, of course, DS9 also decided to set up it's mirror universe with the idea that the brutality of the Terran Empire was necessary to ensure its survival, and Spock's liberal reforms just doomed humanity. You keep doing that story, it's hard to claim you're just kidding.)

8one6 posted:

The bad news for Picard is that he only did Seven's and Soji's companion quests. He's going to lose some of his crew on the last level.

Arglebargle III posted:

Maybe don't reply to Rapey Joe Stalin?

Tighclops posted:

The thing you like is funny because it's stupid and I'm here to laugh at it and you. lololol.

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

nine-gear crow posted:

I'm in a peculiar spot where over the last 10 years I've really fallen out of love with the JJ Abrams Mystery Box style of storytelling and those who practice and preach it, namely his production disciples like Alex Kurtzman, because they all tend to be hacks who build some whizbang cool Mystery Boxes and then don't put anything worthwhile (or at all) inside them because they believe like JJ does, in that the Box itself is the draw. Style trumps substance.

And yet I find people who lose their poo poo over stuff like this equally insufferable because the ones leading the charge tend to be utter grognards and super gross people, or at worst straight up literal fascies. So you hate to even be seen as even mildly agreeing with them because they're that poisonous to the discourse.

Then again, for Roddenberry to Berman to Abrams to Kurtzman, Trek has kind of always been in the hands of some spectacularly butterfingered motherfuckers. The only one who didn't gently caress it up was Harve Bennett during the Movie era.


I still like Picard as a show though.

piratepilates posted:

I said out of 10 man, what the gently caress

nine-gear crow posted:

Also three whole movies where there is a plot point of either "Picard risks his rear end for Data because Data is his friend" and/or "Data risks his rear end for Picard because Picard is his friend." First Contact explicitly calls it out too. Picard flat out says "There's someone still on this ship who helped me when I was assimilated and he means a great deal to me." And Lilly's reply is literally "Go find your friend."

Cojawfee posted:

You mean like when Picard uses his off time to help Data work on acting in order to better understand humanity? Or any of the other times when Picard hangs out with Data.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

1. Plans for the Reaper beacon exist outside of a well on a dead world in the middle of nowhere because and only because there's a secret society passing the code around via space vision chickenpox parties with an 90% casualty rate. Yes, this information can be harmlessly conveyed via mind meld and/or words, but trust me this is better.
2. Anyway, our plan is to share this information with a culture that considers organic life inferior because that's gonna gently caress em up somehow.
3. We have a magic spanner that will instantly and flawlessly create whatever technology you can dream up, and organic ships that can take down a Borg cube, but some disruptor fire is really a threat because we didn't think to build shields.
4. Fellow Reapers, our oppressed brothers have lit the Galactic beacon, let us immediately scramble our robo-death fleet to...wait, nevermind the signal cut off suddenly, I guess that means they're okay.


Either this new stuff is poo poo or I've grown out of Star Trek and tbqh I just watched an thoroughly enjoyed a DS9 episode where the A-story was Quark getting audited so I don't think its me.

Lizard Combatant posted:

Like a... trellis?

PostNouveau posted:

Found by somebody in the RLM thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLCxAJdCZGg

Drone posted:

I'm so sorry.

https://twitter.com/eurolooney/status/1244286657869893632

nine-gear crow posted:

I, meanwhile, am overcome with a profound and earth-shattering sense of "Who gives a poo poo? "