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Alchenar posted:This is what happens when you steal your plot points from Wing Commander III.
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SpeakSlow posted:For comparison, Disco is mid-tier fanfic with a serious Mary Sue issue.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:this is, however, a good description of Burnham. Nobody says this poo poo about Kirk, but a black woman's capable of doing poo poo and suddenly she's Mary Sue. I would hate to watch your show where she's not allowed to be too awesome because nerds on the internet might be threatened by her.
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Dec 5, 2022 01:07
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MikeJF posted:Oh gently caress right off Burnham being the most important person in the universe is a clear writing issue to the show, particularly the 23rd century half.
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Dec 5, 2022 02:17
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MikeJF posted:She's the secret sister to the favourite character of 60 years and protege to Sarek we never heard of before and triggered a war by herself and then is recruited to Discovery because it turns out a secret rebellious leader from another universe was her partner and also she was the foster daughter of the emperor of said universe and then it turns out that massive galactic-scale red beacons guiding Starfleet across time and space are being set off by her mother and future self in order to lead her to her destiny So, try again. Edit: Oh, look. An article about exactly this from an outlet literally named TheMarySue. https://www.themarysue.com/men-on-twitter-once-again-have-no-idea-what-a-mary-sue-actually-is/
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Dec 5, 2022 02:24
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Sloppy writing is not what makes somebody a Mary Sue, yo. You don't have to like Discovery or Michael Burnham, but that term is misused to denigrate any woman who can do any fuckin' thing in fiction by people who know it's gauche to poo poo on women in general who know they'll get less pushback if they couch it in an appeal to authority by way of a writing trope. A writing trope, by the way, that came from fanfic. The very thing we have to thank for there still being Star Trek, and an entire artform we poo poo on because nerdy women aren't allowed to be horny or cringe.
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Dec 5, 2022 02:39
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MikeJF posted:LividLiquid, I understand that there has been a large portion of the internet which had terrible reactions to Discovery for terrible, racist, and sexist reasons and it can be overwhelming and it's often not worth the effort of dealing with them properly. Those arguments are all trash. Separately, there are many legitimate complaints about many writing issues with Discovery, which have been discussed a lot in the 1250 pages of this thread, and if you want to post and engage here then sorting out dividing the two and also maybe not instantly accusing lots of people of sexism and racism in your first posts at the sight of any criticism towards the show is possibly the way to do it without just causing a trash fire. poo poo, I don't even like Burnham or Discovery. That was never the matter being discussed.
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Dec 5, 2022 03:16
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Engaging with people who insist on something like a woman in sci-fi being a mary sue is folly because all they really give a poo poo about is sewing discord and trying to turn aggrived fans into fascists unless they're one of the poor rubes just repeating what one of the actual people doing that said. She's not a loving mary sue. poo poo on the writing all you want and I'll agree with you right up until the moment it smells like you just don't like that a black woman did some poo poo.
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Dec 5, 2022 07:48
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No Dignity posted:There a very simple way to avoid it, which is just to ignore LividLiquid any time she accuses you of supporting fascism for liking / not liking something Burnham sucks. Discovery ain't great. I've said that three times now, but you willfully ignore that part because it's inconvenient to your narrative. That DICK! posted:Just the worst of the worst Y'know how to stop me, if my opinions are so nuclear dangerous they must be rebuked loudly and often? Don't let people repeat fascist talking points. I promise you I'm a lot more fun to be around when people don't blindly repeat poo poo Sargon of Akkad said.
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Dec 5, 2022 21:39
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Astroman posted:If someone quotes Nerdrotic or The Quartering will you self destruct like a computer God that Kirk gets sassy with? I'm sure this will surprise you, but I also don't ever want to have to talk about this poo poo. When people start using alt-right talking points, I don't get loving excited that I get to argue with them. I audibly sigh. I groan. I want all of my fandoms to be free of this poo poo so I never, *ever* have to be the person arguing with a fascist or somebody obliviously repeating one's talking points. Can we loving let it go, now? She sucks, Discovery sucks, the writing isn't good, and none of that makes her a mary sue. I can't believe this has to be an argument.
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MikeJF posted:Oh almost nobody at all here is arguing she's a mary sue by strict terms, just that you're in no way justified to instantly leap to calling posters a sexist, racist fascist for when someone uses the term.
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Dec 6, 2022 03:58
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Charity Porno posted:Yeah because black people are real despite your weird argument they aren't lol Race is a social construct, sure, but it's very much real, and I think that's the point the OP was making.
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Dec 12, 2022 19:20
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I didn't think much of Prodigy when it started, but it's really grown into itself and it's super nice that there are two-and-a-half good Star Trek shows on at the same time. I don't think that's ever happened before. Sure, they had to take a shotgun approach and also have two-and-a-half pretty bad ones on right now too, but those are pretty good numbers, really. Battin' .500.
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Dec 17, 2022 01:34
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HD DAD posted:I will watch anything with Kyle MacLachlan
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Dec 31, 2022 02:09
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It really is. It started out as something I only watched because it was Star Trek, but became something I was stoked to watch because it was Star Trek.
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Dec 31, 2022 02:21
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Data's poems were legit good. It's like the writers forgot they were supposed to be insipid.
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Dec 31, 2022 05:51
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My Second Re-Reg posted:Otherwise, if the license was set from the start, there's zero reason why the main cast wouldn't include some kind of recognizable/iconic Star Trek species; there is no way in hell CBS marketing wouldn't have made sure there was a Ferengi or a Vulcan or a Borg or some kind of character that visibly screams "Hey, this is Star Trek!" when plastered on a cereal box or whatever. Swap out what was likely originally a generic "hologram character" for Janeway, though? Instant Star Trek, and marketable to boot. If they could've re-modeled and animated and recast the hologram, they could've changed the species of one of the characters. I'm pretty sure they were always making a Star Trek show and knew that from the start.
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Dec 31, 2022 06:33
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For gently caress's sake. We don't want to watch people go to school to learn how to have adventures we never see.
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Jan 5, 2023 18:06
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Yuuuuuuuuuuuup.
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Jan 8, 2023 09:10
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Shoulda' kept the rest. That sounds rad.
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Jan 13, 2023 07:58
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Der Kyhe posted:I don't see how space ants, or WH40K Tyranids, would be an upgrade to what we got with Borg.
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Jan 13, 2023 19:39
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I loving hate the popularization of incest porn. We ban child porn not just because it is literally always rape caught on video, but so people not already into the idea won't become into the idea, and that applies here.
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Jan 15, 2023 01:46
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I only discovered it when it was in rerun syndication outside of its normal local time slot of 5 or 6 PM on Saturdays here in Seattle. One new to me episode every night and brand new episodes every Saturday. In a time before television on home video, it was like Christmas once a day. I ate it all up with a spoon.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:No, because that’s the least interesting aspect of the setting. Everyone posted:I'm good with that. That's the Middle West just like there's a Middle East. But anything West of eastern seaboard is "West." It's linguistic cultural horseshit. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jan 17, 2023 |
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Jan 17, 2023 23:49
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Okay, but do people have any complaints about the movie that aren't plagiarized from the Plinkett review?
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Jan 23, 2023 03:44
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Charity Porno posted:oh I didn't know you couldn't voice complaints if someone else has voiced them at some point in human history. Like, an entire subsection of that essay was about how data's emotion chip looks different than it did in the show. That's not criticism. It's a hangup. But when every complaint people have in a given conversation about Generations comes from that one source, and said source has poisoned the discourse surrounding the flick in fandom, which previously regarded it as a pretty good film, it gets tiresome. Surely you can see how this isn't me requiring that every complaint be made only once.
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The movie isn't about that poo poo. It's about learning to accept growing older. Soren was the counterpoint to Kirk and Picard. Jesus christ.
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, that is great. Though for Sulu lines in that movie, I still prefer, "Fly her apart, then!" Most badass I think Sulu ever got to be.
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Jan 27, 2023 01:57
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Oh, sweet! That means it doesn't start to really suck until episode seven!
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Jan 27, 2023 02:12
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Brawnfire posted:I would love it if there really were a huge depth of time fuckery and detective work in his backstory, but it was just somehow never touched upon. Like when the opportunity to use your roleplaying character's intricate backstory just never comes up in-game and you end up looking like an average rogue. I'm a writer. My rogue had an intricate-rear end backstory that the DM never included in anything, *and* he made the entire campaign all about fighting undead, so all of my sneak attack damage — you know... the only thing that makes a rogue effective in combat — didn't apply in like 9/10ths of our combat encounters. It was a loving miserable experience to slog through *and* it made me hate something I loved. So, yeah. I think Picard Season 2 was exactly like that.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I actually like the looks of that new LCARS display The_Doctor posted:They wanted to do that for TOS so they had animated screens on the bridge, but the union wanted a projectionist for every projector and that would have been $$$$$ And it wouldn't have cost that much. They would've been making roughly what an experienced grip Hollywooding a light just off-camera would make. We weren't a powerful union until we joined with IATSE, but by the time that happened, we were all but dead already. Then the digital changeover happened and that was that. The job my grandfather made a good living doing, and my father made a solidly middle-class living doing, and I made a poo poo living doing, well and truly died.
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DaveKap posted:Being reminded of this scene helped me finally crystalize a very simple analogy in my head that I could use going forward. Discovery's crew treats every problem like a bunch of friends in an escape room. They get over-dramatic when their solutions don't work then celebrate and high five when they finally get out. This is in stark contrast to the Lower Decks episode where they do a bunch of crazy poo poo but treat it like an every day occurrence, with tact. This might be the best way for me to sum up my biggest issues with the way Discovery is written. What you've described sounds kickass. The Disco crew sounds likeable and awesome and the Lower Decks crew sounds dire and depressing, but the opposite is the case. It's bananas. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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Professor Beetus posted:I think it's good, actually, that the Federation doesn't have brutal, punitive punishments in the 31st Century, and also that they would consider watching your entire planet get exploded with zero opportunity for evacuation of most of itspeople and all its native plant and animal life mitigating circumstances for his crimes. It's not like Book is someone that just loves genocide and will gladly attempt to commit another if he gets a chance, and what is justice in this context when the 10-C did the aforementioned thing first? Book didn't actually commit genocide and figured it out at the last minute, the 10-C committed genocide without even realizing it.
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Thank you. I remember the episode now.
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That's by far Discovery's greatest sin. Section 31 is so loving Bush-era now. It's gross.
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It's also a function of episode orders and budget. Time is money on a film set. Everybody's getting paid to stand around while you light a shot. Everybody. So if you have that old even TV lighting like the D's bridge, you don't spend all that time lighting each individual shot. And it takes a *while* to light a shot. Like, roughly 90% of my admittedly limited time on film sets was spent waiting for a gaffer to do their thing. Or being said gaffer and feeling the sweat pour off me as I try to light as well as I could as quickly as I could because I was mentally doing the math of how much everybody was making per hour of standing around watching me. And when you're doing 26 episodes a year, you really don't have time to do all that anyway. If you look at some long-running shows like Scrubs, the lighting gets worse and worse as time goes on because everybody gets mandatory union raises every year and that money has to come from somewhere else in the budget.
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When you remember that Tim Allen was a drug dealer who turned state's evidence, everything else about him makes perfect sense. I just wish he'd loving stop, though. And I'd love to see JTT make a comeback.
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Feb 10, 2023 22:07
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That Lower Decks is the only show that treats Deep Space Nine as if it happened is a damned crime, and one I don't understand even slightly. This isn't Rick Berman in charge of this poo poo. He clearly hated that show. But he's gone. So why treat it as some horrible failure when it eventually found its audience?
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xerxus posted:They only wrote in Deanna and Riker like 2 weeks before filming, so I 100% believe they were rushed and not prepared.
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Conspiracy is a bright spot of Season 1, which upon last rewatch is actually a hell of a lot better than I used to think it was.
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