Rocksicles posted:

Those links are geoblocked

Eiba posted:

Unlike Discovery, its message will be unambiguous and wholly good-hearted without any need to descend quite so far into the grit in an incoherent attempt at edginess. Picard isn't edgy. The Federation in Picard will be in full evil-admiral mode, abandoning humanist ideals for "pragmatic" reasons, but Picard's personal idealism will shine through, without state/military backing.

marktheando posted:

Ah I was wondering what the actual source of that was, I couldn't remember and memory alpha was failing me.

Eiba posted:

I think depicting a state/military as benevolent trustworthy perpetually good thing is actually the bad thing to depict. There is never going to be a perfect society where the issues are solved and we can all relax.

I think things can get better, and state power can be motivated by ideals a lot more benevolent than the ones that currently motivate them. And I do think Star Trek depicts that, and will continue to depict that (with the possible exception of Discovery season 3).

But there will always be failings. In this case, the Federation may be internally ideal, but it still exists in an imperfect galaxy and has to deal with international situations where people with wildly different ideals have to be respected, and the Federation has to compromise, and maybe it won't compromise well. That's a problem even a utopia could have. And the idea that people need to be vigilant and push back when things go wrong, even in a utopia, is a valuable and positive message.

Ideally it would be a popular movement that corrects the Federation's lapse, but an idealistic individual we all know and love can represent that to make the story more coherent. The message is understood. We should all be like Picard.

Binary Logic posted:

Holy Bajoran moley - 5 pages, Picard hasn't even aired yet and the previous thread's Disco whines are being restated reposted and regurgitated at warp 11.

Croatoan posted:

I hope Gates McFadden shows up. He's the best twitter follow. She's become a super sweet grandma. Just a month ago she had surgery for a seperated collar bone and posted while high AF on painkillers and it was just the absolute best.

Drone posted:

John de Lancie as an old-rear end version of Q is gonna be an interesting shoehorn.

Drone posted:

Couldn't tell you a drat thing about the Discovery theme, and I've seen every episode.

Fakeedit: like, can't even hum a single measure of any kind of musical leitmotif in that series whatsoever, besides when they tossed out the Enterprise motif a few times whenever it was on-screen.

HD DAD posted:

75% of things wrong with Disco can be usually traced back to some high-as-gently caress decision made by Bryan Fuller, and the last two seasons have been desperately struggling to dig themselves out his influence.

Lizard Combatant posted:

The ship grew on me. But who's got that gif where someone TOS'd it up a bit? That was much better.

Lizard Combatant posted:

Maybe? I thought they left the pizza cutter saucer section, but that's probably it.

Rhyno posted:

Cross-Section posted:

Not sure how I feel about the writing making a big deal about how Dahj is a wonderful, unique being shortly before dousing her in acid, blowing her up, and to add insult to injury, revealing that, thankfully, there's a spare so the plot can continue. Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by the twist and still wanna see where the show goes with it, but lol poor Dahj

Thom12255 posted:

If data can survive the warpcore plamsa melting off his flesh, she'll be fine.

Retrowave Joe posted:

So did Voyager, which blew my mind when I saw the article where they showed the design sketches for it.

nine-gear crow posted:

I know it's coming eventually and I cannot loving wait for the rerun of the First Contact "There's another starship incoming... It's the Enterprise!" moment, only we get to see it from the opposite perspective this time and see what they decide to do with the Enterprise-F.

Carbon dioxide posted:

The hologram index lady said this painting was one of two instances, the other being in Picard's house.

So clearly it must be a physical storage of some kind.

Fidel Cuckstro posted:

I hope when we see Starfleet ships they don't look like the turds Discovery put out.

nine-gear crow posted:

Unfortunately Alex Kurtzman is a disciple of the increasingly reviled JJ Abrams Mystery Box style of storytelling that was perfected on Lost. And it takes a while, if ever, to unlearn that kind of storytelling.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

"Let's just concentrate all of the shipbuilding capacity for our galactic empire in a single, convenient location."

MichiganCubbie posted:

They've never decanonized anything that was on screen, even though they joked about Threshold.

zoux posted:

Why terraform mars when you can go squat on a nice planet in the neutral zone

Baudolino posted:

I hope they find a way to include Cardassians in some way in season 2. There is no reason not to, a very iconic TNG episode includes them after all.
Would be nice to see what became of Cardassia. I can`t imagine the federation wanted to spend too much resoursces building them back up after the Domination war what with the Romulan crisis and the Mars incident happening soon after.

Gaz-L posted:

I think it's also fair to call out the journo about Dunkirk simply because she notes Picard wrote history books after he retired, so presumably at least one of them was about WW2.

marktheando posted:

Why do you think Kirk was joking about them being the same pair? There is zero evidence against it. One pair of specs or two, both are both equally impossible. Because you can't have an effect before a cause.