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This episode started with some super clunky exposition about the Romulans super double secret police that is the kind of story telling I kind of hate. But I think it picked up with the Borg cube stuff. So they're removing the fixtures from dead Borg, but they still stay dead? I mean, nice to be respectful and all, but why? To further study the Borg? I definitely want to learn more about what's going on there. And yeah, Alison Pill is great. So sexy Romulan spy is trying to get close to her to learn more about where other androids may be? Don't they know they're un-activated, based on what happened when they attacked the last one? Why do they think she knows anything? I like the idea that Maddox kept researching androids and just completely hosed it up. No where near as advanced, and I'm guessing hackable? By these Romulan spies? Still finding it's footing, but it has me hooked to see what happens next. Nitrousoxide posted:No, not really. Federation space has always been substantially bigger than any of the other Alpha/Beta quadrant players from TNG onwards. Note the blue to the far east separated by the Klingons is also part of the Federation. As a primarily Star Wars fan where this poo poo is not thought out to anywhere NEAR this degree, I find maps like this fascinating.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Star Trek nerds love stuff like this, but what's onscreen doesn't actually support or care about star maps or other peripheral content. You'll have characters say things like "the cardassians are going through romulan space to stage surprise attacks on the federation" and people on screen will nod like that's a perfectly sensible thing and you just have to not care that it contradicts your Star Trek Encyclopedia. Oh so it's exactly like Star Wars then. Cool. Y'all have a jivjov around here who refuses to let canon go?
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Jan 30, 2020 16:41
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Echo Chamber posted:Taking a really wild guess: I could actually see that happening, and would explain THE SECRET and their hatred of synths. I wouldn't really hate that. There are certainly dumber ways to go.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:52
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I was wondering about that replicator. Why would it be programmed to make lovely food? Can't it make...anything?
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Jan 30, 2020 19:33
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Handsome Wife posted:It felt more out of place than the Klingon tits in Discovery. You know what, never mind.
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Jan 30, 2020 20:13
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nine-gear crow posted:Every time the Borg appeared from TNG to Voyager to even Enterprise there was always some new bullshit thing introduced about them to keep them from becoming static, so it's no surprise Picard is pulling more rabbits out of that hat too. The Borg showed up on Enterprise? Did the crew forget to write anything about them down, or something?
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Jan 31, 2020 15:51
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I'm fine with a slow pace, but they are really starting to push it with me. They need to get to a point soon. I feel like most of the show has been Picard just standing still waiting to get going (both the character and the show). I agree the "mom" is probably Maddox, and triggered some "go to sleep" protocol. What I don't get is why they were created in pairs, why she's stashed on the cube, why that one Romulan ex-Borg thinks she's the destroyer...alright, I guess there's a lot I don't get. Romulans hate synthetic life forms, I guess? Has that ever come up before? Has a Romulan ever given Data the stink eye? Or is that new for the show? New pilot could grow on me, but yeah, so far he's definitely a by-the-numbers character, as someone else put it. I really hate how they have built in commercial breaks. I mean, you're clearly going to put this on broadcast TV at some point. But do you have to make it so obvious? I did like name dropping the Q Continuum.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:06
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Thom12255 posted:I do like the Rios pilot guy though and his EMH - I guess that clears up that those kind of hologram programs aren't banned. That's a fair point. How is that not also considered synthetic life?
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Feb 6, 2020 16:15
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just another posted:VOICE OVER Wow this...seems extremely on point.
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Feb 17, 2020 19:26
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Enterprise was certainly better than its reputation, but it wasn't particularly good for the most part. That said, aside from the 9/11 Git'er Done arc (which was more egregiously anti-Trek than anything we've seen since) and the reverse-pregnancy I'm not sure it ever hit the lows of early TNG or S1 DS9. Can't the same be said about Jeri Ryan? Or was there a practical reason for that ridiculous skin tight cat suit they put her in?
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Feb 17, 2020 19:50
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AntherUslessPoster posted:In the end of the ep5 trailer there's someone falling on the floor around the moment they namedrop 'Maddox'. I mean, IMDb often relies on user submissions for it's HD DAD posted:I recently read somewhere that a fan asked Brian Brophy if he was reprising Maddox, and apparently that was the first he’d heard he was coming back. Oh. Well that's a little more concrete, though he could have been told to keep it under wraps. MichiganCubbie posted:Not a broadly correct opinion about the entire show, but people who think that Zhaban and Laris aren't the best characters in the show and deserve way more screentime are absolutely wrong. I mostly agree, but the scene where they're in that apartment and Laris recreates the data with whatever techno mumbo jumbo that just kept going really pissed me off and made me lose some interest in her character. Not really her fault, the whole scene was dumb as hell.
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Feb 18, 2020 18:49
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kidkissinger posted:they deleted the entries from the file table but not the data itself. data recovery people deal with this every day. But why didn't the double super secret Romulan CIA also delete the data itself? I'll admit, I kind of glazed over for the explanation, because it was just her talking to herself while swiping at the see through screen, and I was like, "I get it, you'll find the data, move on please", so this is probably more on me than the show.
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Feb 18, 2020 19:16
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zoux posted:There’s a documentary about “that guy” where they interview a bunch of those ubiquitous character actors and there’s a section about the obligatory Trek role they all had This is a fantastic documentary, btw. Everyone should watch it.
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Feb 18, 2020 19:16
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How would the assumed secret reveal work, anyway? How would synths become the Borg? The Borg aren't synthetic people, they're biological beings with cybernetic implants. Which is really loving different. Like, would it be synths who decided all of humanity needed "upgrading", and by now all the old synths have died out and only bio Borg remain? That...doesn't really seem like a logical series of events, and certainly shouldn't be seen as the "natural end result of synths".
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Feb 20, 2020 20:00
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Snow Cone Capone posted:One of the main points about Dahj and Soji is that they're organic synths - they have android brains and levels of cognition (and as we've seen, android levels of strength and reflexes) in bodies that could pass a medical scan. It wouldn't be a massive stretch (the idea has been done a bunch of times before) that, as androids who have evolved from regular robots to organics with synthetic brains, their next logical step of 'evolution' would be a collective consciousness, and from there you could make the jump to the next step being absorbing all other consciousness into 1 galaxy-spanning entity. It's actually not too different from some depictions of regular humanity's far-future evolutionary path. Fair enough, I forgot about Dahj and Sojji being organic synths.
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Feb 20, 2020 20:12
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Snow Cone Capone posted:also lol that Dr. Maddox mentioned he had been working with Soong recently, Spiner appearance #2 confirmed. Wonder how they'll retcon that! I took that more to mean he was building upon the works of Soong, not personally working with him. Standing on the shoulders of giants and what not. Isn't Soong long dead at this point?
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Feb 20, 2020 20:25
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So the destruction of Romulus, did it take most of Romulan territory as well? Like, sure, losing your home planet would suck, but they had a vast Empire. Presumably there were more planets in there? That they colonized?
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Feb 20, 2020 23:38
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Finally a good episode, though yeah, there were some off bits. So is the EMH just not gonna share that Alison Pill straight up murdered Maddox in front of him? You'd think he'd bring it up. The magic teleporter at the end was a bit disappointing, and I also don't get why Legolas didn't go with him. He didn't need to stay behind to cover their escape, Picard was loving gone. But yeah, mostly good stuff. Hugh and Picard were fantastic together, and I loved going over the reclamation stuff.
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Feb 27, 2020 18:02
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Dietrich posted:yeah so confusing that the ai/computer scientist from the federations best ai/computer research lab didn't get told on by the ai/computer ...alright, yeah, that's a good point.
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Feb 27, 2020 19:43
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Snow Cone Capone posted:lmao I didn't even think of that, that's pretty absurd I kept waiting for her to do exactly that. Like, that was gonna be the reveal.
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Feb 27, 2020 20:33
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Next week: (Not actually a spoiler.) Soji: "Why are you helping me?" Picard: "Because you may be the daughter of a friend of mine. Well, not ACTUALLY his daughter...and no, he didn't build you, this other guy Maddox who I met a couple times did...you never actually met my friend, he died years before you were created...hang on, why am I doing this again? Oh right, because I kinda got your sister killed."
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Feb 27, 2020 20:42
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piratepilates posted:That's what's so odd about it, in the premise of the world of star trek she is playacting as an addict. Her life is a holodeck scenario of a 21st century person in need who is let down by the system. She can take that free Hypospray and be done with it, but instead she is choosing to be selfish and self-destruct. It's not that she can't get better or doesn't know how -- she doesn't want to, even when detrimental to the lives of those around her. Drink-Mix Man posted:As a recovering addict, I can tell you with certainty that this is basically textbook addict behavior. Yeah, I was about to say, "You just described addiction."
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Feb 28, 2020 18:11
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I am having a hard time keeping all of the names straight. Especially with all the Romulan names/organizations sounding so similar and nonsensical. Though I'll never forget the name Vajazzle. That is just too drat silly to forget. Probably not the best name for the big bad of the week who tortures people for their Borg parts, but whatever.
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Feb 28, 2020 22:57
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I genuinely enjoyed that episode. My complaints are so minor they're not worth mentioning. Good on you, show, you're starting to win me over. Frakes and Sirtis both killed it. The look on Troi's face when she's reading Picard and finds out he's sick was played real well. I liked Riker calling her Imzadi. And the girl playing their daughter was great. I'd say I hope she comes back, but I'm assuming that's the last we see of that family. I don't have a problem with them having a dead son. Life goes on after the show ends, people have triumphs and tragedies, and it's an interesting way to flesh out their back story that isn't just, "Oh we've been just fine since you last saw us! Nothing but happy times!" It felt real, to me. Probably my favorite episode yet.
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TheCenturion posted:Also, Will: You've black hair. Your wife has black hair. Your daughter has bright blonde hair. You need to ask some questions, mate. Blonde hair is a recessive gene, and black hair is a dominant gene. They could both have a blonde hair gene they passed onto their daughter while not having it themselves. It's relatively uncommon, but still happens.
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The Bloop posted:It just occurred to me that the trajector being in the Queen Cell or whatever is meant to imply something about the queen(s) traveling from cube to cube which ..... I thought they were saying it was essentially used as an escape pod for the queen in case of emergencies.
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Senor Tron posted:That was so loving great. Oh I hadn't thought about the ancient civilization being wiped out by the Q. Maybe they failed their trial.
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Mar 12, 2020 16:12
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:Okay, so what the hell happened to the synths that the precursor civilization made? Did they just go "welp, we destroyed our creators, let's go find a different galaxy or something," or transcend to a different plane of existence and decide not to gently caress with the other races? I feel like there should be some remnants of them, especially since the way they talked about things was this is stuff that happened relatively recently on a cosmic scale. Thousands of centuries isn't all that long, especially for everything created by a civilization capable of moving stars around to be effectively annihilated. The way I took it was the synths aren't what killed the ancient civilization, but that once synths reached a tipping point, became too advanced, some external threat came in and wiped out everything. Like in Mass Effect. Correct me if I misheard, though.
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This is going back to like the second episode or something, but was it ever explained why Alison Pill's character knew Dahj would have a twin sister? Like, she says something about how they're created in twos, but is that just something Maddox liked doing? And how does that mesh with this episode showing there was a third synth that looks exactly like Dahj as well? Are a lot of the synths going to look like Dahj? Seems like it was just a lazy plot point to get Picard on the hunt for the sister, but it doesn't really seem to make much sense to me.
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Mar 13, 2020 16:50
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Lizard Combatant posted:Crazy batshit theory time. Ha, oh man, if the season finale reveal is regular looking Brent Spiner walking on screen, I'll never stop laughing.
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Keeping in mind that I've never watched Andromeda...what the gently caress is happening in this clip?
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Mar 13, 2020 18:51
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thrawn527 posted:Ha, oh man, if the season finale reveal is regular looking Brent Spiner walking on screen, I'll never stop laughing. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Lots of correct thoughts. I was going to write something up, but you summed up basically all of my thoughts exactly, so there's not much point. All I'll say is that I was not liking most of the episode, but the Picard and Data scene really hit me in the emotional feels, so that was at least well done.
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Mar 26, 2020 16:29
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I fully admit I probably wasn't paying that much attention last week, but where did that magic repair tool plot device thingie come from?
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I'd give it a 6. I'm glad I watched it, but it could have done so much better. It's hard to compare to the other shows, because it's so much different (I haven't watched Discovery). Like, outside of some ideas like synth rights, it doesn't even hit any of the same themes, and the format is so much different. It would be like, which is the better show, Cheers or Breaking Bad? Like, uh...that really depends on what you're looking for. (And yes, I know it's not that extreme, but you get what I'm saying.) Personally I'd put it ahead of Voyager and Enterprise, because I could just never get through those, and behind everything else (again, I haven't watched Discovery). edit: Big Mean Jerk posted:6.5/10. It wasn’t awful by any means but it could have been so much better with that cast and that pedigree. It’s tough to rank it exactly among other first seasons since a) it’s much shorter and b) it mostly involved a single plot instead of 26 different ones, but I think it’s probably somewhere in the middle. Better than TNG S1 or Disco S1, but not as good as TOS S1 or DS9 S1. The real highlight was the cast but the plot was bland, and parts of it felt like they’d been rewritten moments before shooting. It’s a mess just like Disco S1, but it at least felt more coherent. Oh, this is a good point. As far as Star Trek season ones, it's way better than TNG S1, I'll say that. I am shocked TNG survived it's first 2 seasons. I'm glad it did, don't get me wrong, but yikes.
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Lister posted:Calling it now that it will tie into season 2 somehow. I, meanwhile, am calling that it will never come up again.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:TV, Streaming Services, and at-home delivery is all that's going to be left. How are they going to film new TV shows if everyone is quarantined?
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Powered Descent posted:Have each actor paint one wall in their home bright green, and You're right, that first Netflix season of Arrested Development really was the best.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It's what makes the werreting about Picard in this thread so myopic. No matter how much you may disdain Picard for subjective reasons, Voyager is always objectively worse. And that poo poo went on for seven long years. Yes, this. All of this. mllaneza posted:Voyager definitely never hit as high as Picard's last conversation with Data. Also, this. God drat, this justified the bad parts of the season. Of which there were quite a few.
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Alchenar posted:Does one of the Star Trek V enterprise even exist? Forgive me if I'm stepping into a hornet's nest here, but would it be that much different than this one?
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