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Cojawfee posted:I feel like they hinted at Lal, but maybe that was just me remembering Lal. I feel like they look similar enough to be intentional. edit: Ok time to give my highly influential and incredibly important takes on the new Star Trek show, as I'm sure you have all been waiting patiently: it was ok, not great, I'll give them a chance with more episodes. Not a fan of the contemporary action movie-esque production style for Picard, but I think it looks a lot better than Discovery at least, and that's the way they tides are moving. A big part of me wishes they made it look exactly like TNG/DS9, complete with matte paintings and outside sets that are clearly on a soundstage, but that time has passed us  Wish they did something like in Emissary with the flashback to the tragedy of the Saratoga and how that set the emotional stage for Sisko, and harmonized with the mood of the rest of the cast among DS9 scarred by war and occupation. There was a brief glimpse of that with Picard's dream of Utopia Planitia being bombarded, but not with the same impact as the Saratoga. The interview was schlocky and felt like a lazy way of giving exposition for setting up the show. I am still interested in some of the threads they allude to in the pilot that could be interesting -- a massive refugee crisis and the humanitarian vs. "national security" conflicts, synthetic beings coming to the realization that their past is a lie, and coming to establish a new idea of 'self', and the inherent distrust in organic lifeforms vs. synthetic lifeforms (which has more development to reflect on in the current world than previous trek's did, with the rise of self and semi-self driving cars, the rise of machine learning and AI, and the massive improvements in robotics that have been developed since even Enterprise was last on the air). And in conclusion, Discovery sucks, DS9 rulez 🖕🖕 piratepilates fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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I'm going to go ahead and say it: I enjoyed the Dahj action sequences, I liked seeing them and would welcome more. I think they did a great job making her seem like a potential murder machine in a believable way. It was pretty cool when she threw that Romulan assassin/CIA-dude against the railing and you hear his spine crack.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Try to understand DIS. Its a newborn in a darker age of internet and streaming. nah we understand it, we just think it's bad.
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A legitimate question and honestly not trying to stir up anything, I just haven't been keeping up since the whole "incident": does AAtrek still work at TrekCore? Do they still publish anything by him, or does he still have any input on their operations?
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Jan 27, 2020 01:49
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Khanstant posted:Isn't the context of the Plinkett bits that for a long time people who cared that much about the minutiae and fine points of criticism were derogatorily accused of being basement dwelling, a tragedy in waiting. Yeah, Plinkett is the deranged sort of individual who would make an hour long review about some star wars movie he hated. I don't think they have used any of the "keeps kidnapped women in his basement" stuff in the last 10 or so years though.
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Jan 28, 2020 18:35
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Orville knocked it out of the park with their two episodes about holodecks: - strange fetish porn fantasies, to the point of almost ruining a marriage - lonely guy literally falls in love with a holodeck simulation of someone from hundreds of years ago
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Jan 28, 2020 20:01
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nine-gear crow posted:They seem to be going with the end of Voyager being truly cataclysmic for the Borg. Whatever Future Janeway did to them absolutely ruined them beyond recovery from all outward appearances. This also tracks with the backstory of Star Trek 2009 where Nero's ship was a Romulan mining ship outfitted with recovered tech from a dead Borg ship that then activated and self-replicated until it turned the ship into that monster of spikes and blades seen in the film before they got it under control. that could actually be an interesting big shift to start the new series with - the borg are gone, their well had run dry and there wasn't anything else to do but make them more and more powerful - the romulans are without a strong government but individually have powerful ships that are cobbled together with borg tech - the federation is distrustful of synthetic lifeforms because of the borg's attacks in federation space (only like two ships really had any positive contact with artificial lifeforms -- the enterprise-d and voyager)
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Jan 30, 2020 05:15
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zoux posted:Loved it. "Oh? Uh, Picard Pee Eye Cee Ay Arr Dee" It was edited in such a different way than they used it in the trailers. Was really quite a fun little moment in the episode.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:13
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When we're talking about swearing in star trek, are we just talking about the single instance of the word "gently caress" used in anger in Picard? Or is there more in the show that I just missed?
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Jan 31, 2020 18:18
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Kids already know how to swear, and if they don't, they should be taught ASAP.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Am I showing my total computer illiteracy in that I didn't mind the bit of hacking technobabble when they find traces of Soji on the computer? Even if it actually makes no sense, it has a kind of logic to it that seemed plausible. There was an entire episode of TNG that was basically the same thing, when geordis friend went missing and he uses the holodeck to conclude that dark aliens with blue glowing cracks were behind it all Edit: by which I mean, it was fine. The picard technoshit is in-line with what people already did on TNG and DS9. piratepilates fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Jan 31, 2020 18:36
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Lizard Combatant posted:Hah, hard disagree with that last part.  meant to say Picard, I've barely seen discovery
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Jan 31, 2020 18:58
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Show your children A Clockwork Orange for their 10th birthday. They must learn to see the world for how ugly it truly is. not being that sarcastic, my parents didn't care what I saw when I was young and I don't think it ruined me as a person. sex and violence and swearing are natural and they'll be exposed to it sooner or later, most likely in a way out of your control.
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Jan 31, 2020 19:34
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kidkissinger posted:was anyone else really bothered by the shelves in Dahj's apartment not being level? what kind of loving future is this??!?!? they're using an anamorphic lens to film the show. the lens basically condenses the shot on to the film, and then when it's projected (or just scanned for post-production or w/e) it's stretched out to be the normal aspect ratio. those lenses also have two big artifacts to them: straight horizontal lines tend to warp (which is happening here), and lens flares get horizontally stretched (probably happens in the show, it's all over the place in discovery and jjtrek, and it's very common to see in a lot of "cinematic" movies).
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Feb 2, 2020 18:51
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I've rolled along with everything in the show so far, but everything to do with Raffi is just so dumb and pasted in that there is nothing redeeming I find about her. Except for the vape, I have nothing bad to say about the vape and support its use I say as I take a big puff on a concentrates vape pen while watching this weird rear end show. Edit: ok seriously what the hell. I haven't seen a single post about the weird romulan samurai and sword fighting in next week's preview. Does no one else find that weird? Does no one else think all the swordfighting is just a little strange? Maybe the romulan samurai? Why is he a samurai? Why did he choose the hair of a Japanese anime character if he's a romulan refugee? Why does the next episode look exactly like a reused Stargate SG1 Script, complete with an alien world that takes place a few hundred years ago but filmed in Vancouver? Why is no one talking about this????????? piratepilates fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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Feb 10, 2020 23:01
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Seemlar posted:Hugh did raise an eyebrow over it, didn't he? Wasn't it the entire reason he gave her access to interview the Romulan XBs? yes, he was impressed that she spoke nameless to them out of an act of compassion, I took it as meaning someone out there has reconstructed part of their language (former drones? studying junk left around the ship after assimilation because the borg's didn't care? could be anything) and the researchers doing academic theses on the borg are aware of at least some of the language.
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Feb 11, 2020 01:56
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TheCenturion posted:I still want Picard's space samurai to wind up being a Mintakan. This would be really nice, and I hope it does happen.
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Feb 11, 2020 16:21
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As much as people call it grim dark, or say places like the shipyard or her desert trailer are hovels, they do look pretty nice. The replicator food (the oddest part by far) looks mediocre, but seems plentiful, and their workspace itself is immaculately clean. Her trailer is an imacutely clean nice little trailer with full (spotless) glass windows, a nice little garden, some little wooden knick knacks, and a great location in a scenic desert. The millenium falcon ship is also spotless and quite roomy, heck it looks cozier than the interiors on the discovery ship. I'm not sure if I should find a fault in the writing or set design for this contrast, to be honest I'm just taking it as future federation people being spoiled post-scarcity bums who can't take stock in how incredible the utopia they live in is. 
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Feb 12, 2020 15:29
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Peachfart posted:lol if you think any writer for Picard ever watched Measure of a Man it's this, this is the answer. but also those mars data's seemed to be roughly as smart/sentient as a hologram, and those already existed for a long time. come to think of it, the several times in the franchise that holograms turned sentient really looks weird when you look back at how much of a marvel data is supposed to be, and how dumb that makes this romulan conspiracy plot look.
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This show is pretty lame, and I do go in to each episode with dread that it'll all fall apart, but I really have a lot of fun watching it each time. Also I must say, Picard's outfit at the start on the desert planet was magNIFICIENT.
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DaveKap posted:Y'know what gets my goat about this show? When did Alex Kurtzman call that a powerful moment?
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DaveKap posted:I didn't put the word "probably" before "thought" because it's implied through common sense that I don't literally know the thoughts of Alex Kurtzman on the set of Picard. Well as famed TV producer Alex Kurtzman, let me tell you that I actually thought that scene was a big piece of poo poo! actually I just want people to start throwing Michael Chabon under the bus since he has writing credits on each episode 😬 quote:
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The pacing and serialization is probably the worst part of Picard. It has taken 3 hours to just get past the setup (assuming the next episode isn't more set up) and so far all that has been set up is an overarching plot that we have probably already guessed the twist to and paper thin characters that you understand as soon as you first see them*. In 1.5 hours, Farpoint set up and resolves an entire ensemble show, the reboot to a decades old show, the main plot of the Farpoint station, and the Q plot involving a godlike being judging all of humanity. Unification does the same with Romulan society, Romulan-Vulcan relations, Spock's mission there, and why Tasha Yar has come back as a romulan. All Good Things juggles three timelines -- including showing you what every character does after the show ends -- and takes you on a journey through the show from the first life on earth, the first episode of the show to the last, and then to the conclusion of every characters' journey. A New Hope takes 2 hours to go from farm boy to destroying the death star and saving the universe. By the time Picard is over, it will have a longer runtime than the entire star wars prequel trilogy -- which despite its faults, covers the downfall of a republic into a fascist empire through a war engineered by a senator. I'll keep on watching and have hope that the show knows what it's doing, but I think the basic premise of what they're going for is bound to be disappointing and wish the show was just episodic. *You've got: - the bookworm scientist - the samurai forgotten son of JL - the han solo wannabe - the maverick who hates JLs guts (but really still likes him and will probably sacrifice herself to save him later, book it) - the robot lady - evil incest twins - and 7 of 9, who doesn't need setup since another show did that for us Edit: Picard will be just 20% shorter than Shoah, the comprehensive documentary about the Holocaust that took 11 years to make. Do you think they will use the runtime in Picard to the same effect? piratepilates fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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HD DAD posted:Jeri Taylor was the show runner for seasons 3 and 4 when the Borg were introduced to VOY. She also oversaw the sex ghost season of TNG, for reference. She has a "story by" credit on Sub Rosa even (Braga has the teleplay credit)
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I hate myself but I think the big dark secret will be Maddox discovered that the final evolution of synths is literally a Borg-style collective and that the Zhat Vash big secret is they were the first race to perfect synths and it led to the Borg Deep down we all know it's (probably) going to be this, and it'll definitely be real stupid.
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Biscuitbeard posted:
I feel like they're all the ones who just aren't constantly in the midst of a personal journey of trauma and sadness. They're the ones that are just kind of fun to watch and seem to be along for the ride, so they aren't constantly walking towards another scene about how hard and difficult to watch being them is. I'm watching bits of DS9 episodes now and it's strange how different, and more interesting these DS9 episodes end up being, with characters going about their lives as new situations arise, and finding out bits of each episode's mystery at the same time as we are -- instead of being on step 5 of a 10 step journey of personal grief towards a mystery so profound and terrible, that you'll have to watch all 10 episodes just to find out why it's interesting. piratepilates fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Not just a betazoid, it seems like they intentionally went with someone who looks incredibly similar to troi -- to the degree that if you caught the show at a glance you would mistake her for Troi.
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Feb 21, 2020 17:04
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I plead guilty. Honestly until someone posted that picture of troi a few posts up, I convinced myself that sirtis/troi has a mole or beauty mark or whatever on her cheek, just because vajazzle has one and looks exactly like that troi picture in every other way.
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zoux posted:Picard haters: what's the most recent star trek thing you actually liked I watched a bit of some random DS9 episodes last night and they were pretty good.
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piratepilates posted:I watched a bit of some random DS9 episodes last night and they were pretty good. I guess if you want last thing aired, then I remember liking the first JJTrek about 10 years ago when I saw it, it was fun and alright, haven't seen it since. Into Darkness was very mediocre.
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Delthalaz posted:The Orville Actually yeah I guess this is the most recent for me too. I don't think it's great, and I think they have a long way to go, but it feels like it really took to heart TNG and is developing new plots and ideas in the same kind of tradition.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The whole idea of ‘we’re going to intercut the planning of the plan with the actual plan going down’ is done so horribly It was such an odd moment to decide to use that "heist plan montage", the plan itself was so simple that what explanation do you need? You dress as a local, tell the security guy you're there to trade some goods, and take a muscle relaxer so you don't seem nervous. There's nothing intricate about it. Also unrelated but just a random tidbit I noticed, the "Icheb torture planet" at the beginning is called "Vergessen", which is just the German verb for "to forget"
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Just saw the next 3 episodes' titles on Memory Alpha, could be an interesting guess as to what the episodes will be about. The five we've already seen: Remembrance -- first episode, remembering the past, Data, the attacks, etc. Maps and Legends -- set up of the legend of the Zhat Vash The End is the Beginning -- the end of their starfleet careers is the beginning of their rogue-ish journey? and the introduction of "the destroyer" label for Soji, which is the beginning of the set-up for whatever this terrible and profound secret is Absolute Candor -- the absolute candor of the nuns telling JL his idea is stupid and he's definitely going to die on this stupid mission Stardust City Rag -- Stardust City The next 3: The Impossible Box -- the episode preview had a puzzlebox or something that Soji was holding, and I'm sure is just a symbol for her story being "impossible" in some way, that was set up by incest brother in Absolute Candor. also the borg cube itself, and why it disconnected from the borg Nepenthe -- "(archaic) Alternative form of nepenthes (“a drug that relieves one of emotional pain, grief or sorrow”)." so I really hope this isn't just an episode about Raffi because I find her whole story unbearable and uninteresting Broken Pieces -- I'm sure has something to do with the broken pieces of glass/mirror of JL in the credits, and the broken identity of Soji, and maybe the actual destruction of the borg cube, or the breaking up of the conspiracy, or the breaking up of some bigger stability when everyone learns the secret so terrible and profound that just knowing it will break a person's mind
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Of all threads about Picard, this one honestly seems the least vitriolic about the show. The two or three ones in GBS are much more extreme in how against the show posters are. I have always gotten the feeling that posters in here who have negative things about the show at least have an open mind about it, including Mr Tighclops. Going back to the posts from when this latest episode aired, it seems like a major sentiment was that people were starting to turn against the show after the episode. This may be the most positive thread I have seen about the show outside of the subreddit (and those people.....I don't trust those people), not to say everyone here is positive about the show, but it overall seems less negatively charged about thr show than elsewhere.
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zoux posted:There are three Picard threads in GBS???? Well there's the star trek one, the Picard one, maybe another Picard one, the RLM one that is currently devoted to not liking Picard (before that it was devoted to not liking star wars), maybe more I haven't seen? There's also a few star trek threads in that temporary star wars forum.
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The prequel thread is the next step of evolution of the long running cinema discusso star wars thread and quite frankly it is a thing of beauty. Don't get involved, don't get upset, don't pick a side, just take a look and get ready for a beautiful journey of people endlessly attempting to convince the other side with the conviction of a devotee that no ACTUALLY the prequels are good/bad, and you are the one that is wrong.
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kidkissinger posted:do we have concrete numbers for viewership for either show? I'm genuinely curious. I don't think CBS released viewer numbers for all access shows, so nothing in terms of American audiences. It does air on TV in Canada so you could probably find ratings numbers for that, but it also seems to stream online here on Crave, and a lot of people here pirate so the numbers will be skewed. All we know for sure is that the executives are happy enough with the performance of disco to keep going, and confident enough in Picard that it had a second season before even airing. In terms of if people like it: some people love them, some people hate them, some people don't care. They have metacritic ratings of above 50, and beyond that, who cares. What other people like or do not like should have no effect on how much you like something, otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy wondering why everyone else doesn't see it the same way.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:04
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zoux posted:The only reason I brought up popularity in the first place was because one guy said that the show was so self evidently bad that they must be trying to trick people into staying around: it's absolutely relevant in that case. I think we're on the same wavelength, the disco experiment has proven promising enough that they seem to be making more of it instead of less. I'm not sure who is arguing with who anymore.
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Brawnfire posted:okay but at the end of the day seems pretty boring tbh, there's not much out there's, it's pretty empty
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zoux posted:Literally everything is in space I guess, but so is all the nothing, and when you think about it, proportionally there's far more nothing than something
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