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Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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HD DAD posted:

Point: never, ever listen to Star Trek fans

However, not listening is also what gave us JJTrek, so we’re damned either way.

That's because Star Trek is just bad, it's really not good and we're protein-deficient cult captives convincing each other there's a plan and a hope that the *next* serial killer to take over The Pit will throw down some chicken scraps.

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Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Andorians we're good in Enterprise. More Shran, that's a plan.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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MichiganCubbie posted:

If only we got season 5's regular crew member Shran.

I seriously think that would have saved the whole mess.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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skasion posted:

Sure it does. Starfleet is a human organization. Vulcans had their own organization that was eventually superseded by it.

Ah, Yel-Halitra

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

Because Lucas made prequels and people love prequels right?

I really hate that they did that. I always sort of enjoyed the conceit of the Star Wars chronicle being in media res for some unseen, larger story cycle. Lucas really undercut his own storytelling technique with the prequels.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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zoux posted:

IMO all of Discos problems start and stop with Michael Burnham.

I especially hate that she Bookends the episodes because they give her the most eye-rollingly terrible monologues.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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ashpanash posted:

Picard is "haunted" by Boothby, who actually lives in a orange candle he keeps by his bed.

Also boothby fucks him

Every episode starts with Picard waking up in the morning with no idea where it'll be or with whom. With Boothby's ghost? With Q? With his wife in the Nexus? The future with no memory of the intervening years? On Ressik, randomly, one morning? Regardless, at least half an hour is spent just on Picard attempting to return to the central conflict.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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FlamingLiberal posted:

If he does appear there have been no leaks about it yet

Although someone found a while back that Michael Dorn was on the Picard set at some point. Just no confirmation he is actually on the show.

Dorn baked his special cornbread muffins he calls "Dorncakes" as a good luck gesture

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Drone posted:

John de Lancie as an old-rear end version of Q is gonna be an interesting shoehorn.

"Why Picard, I thought you might be comfortable speaking peer-to-peer. Or does seeing my face all tired and wrinkled make you think too much of your impending death? Can't say I know the feeling, but I imagine it's... mortifying."

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Drone posted:

Couldn't tell you a drat thing about the Discovery theme, and I've seen every episode.

Fakeedit: like, can't even hum a single measure of any kind of musical leitmotif in that series whatsoever, besides when they tossed out the Enterprise motif a few times whenever it was on-screen.

I thought I had it but realized I was humming the Downton Abbey theme.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Tighclops posted:

Is there actually anybody around here that doesn't want to be pleasantly surprised? I mean I thought it went without saying

It would be a waste of a good negativity buildup.

Yeah, I've got more, but

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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I want like, a hyperspeed techno remix of the TNG theme if they're keeping that.

Or maybe a disco remix. With lots of dubbed in "Go! Go! Go! Go! Gogogogogo!"

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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I can't wait to watch this, all these black blocks of spoiler are too tempting.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Gaz-L posted:

I think it's also fair to call out the journo about Dunkirk simply because she notes Picard wrote history books after he retired, so presumably at least one of them was about WW2.

I would give anything to see a future history written by Jean-Luc Picard.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Khanstant posted:

Are there any time travel fictions that work on the premise of time not being linear? We always have to think that if we go back in the past and change this or that, it must have consequences for the future but in our world the nature of time is still kind of mysterious and in a fictional world you're obviously free to construct time to work however you want. Go back in time, kill your dad, go back to present and you still exist both with a dad and a dead dad.

Futurama time is circular but there's still consequences to past alteration

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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You may have noted some degree of disdain towards Rick and Morty among some denizens of the internet

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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I will never read a comic from a sci-fi property, I made the mistake of reading Trek graphic novels as a kid and I won't subject myself to that again. They need to keep exposition in the confines of the drat show/movie.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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MichiganCubbie posted:

I agree with this, and really, really hope it's not going that path. I'm hoping the Romulans are literally trying to reclaim Romulan drones, or something along those lines.

That could be interesting. Your empire massively depopulated and the Borg defanged, it would be appealing to try to "reclaim" some of those taken in order to flesh things out a bit.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Dear Mr. Data

This sucks rear end, let me disassemble you already for gently caress's sake

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Cojawfee posted:

Star Trek being written by lonely nerds got it right when they had a lonely nerd turn a brainstorming exercise into a weird sex thing. Then continued getting it right where the real woman showed up, saw his creepy sex thing and yelled at him. But they should have gotten a normal human to write the conclusion where she just leaves him blocked forever, and doesn't unblock him and then actually marry the guy that probably holoraped a facsimile of her.

Turns out Geordi was actually the least weird with a hologram of her out of all the men and women she's worked with or met socially.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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zoux posted:

Did she play Rofl in TNG?


If you're a woman in the 24th century I guess that's just a problem you have to deal with

Honestly it's just refreshing not to receive replay files in your inbox, for once

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

She'd just give up and try stabbing.

The Klingon and Andorian judges present nod approvingly. The Tellarite is displeased the argument ended so soon, but must admit the tactic worked. She wins by majority vote while the Human judge whines about decorum.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Angry Salami posted:

I wish Micro Machines were still around. I loved their little Star Trek ships when I was a kid...

I'm pretty sure I had all of them.

Brought them into school one day to show my friends.

Left them there.

Never saw them again.

Edit: 22 years later and I'm still bummed wtf

Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jan 29, 2020

Brawnfire
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Rhyno posted:

And it's puzzling when you look back 20 years and the Playmates line spanned a quarter of a toy aisle and was a juggernaut. The toy line for 2009 was a pretty big flop so they're likely not willing to push anything new into brick and mortar stores.


In the 90's Trek was for families. The huge toyline I mentioned. But today, Trek isn't really marketed towards kids like it was back when we were kids. Trek fandom is mostly adults and the merch is aimed at them.

I remember catching every new episode with my dad, spaceship toys on the floor

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

We watched it as a family. TNG Saturdays (later Sundays). At the end of the run the local channel moved it to 9pm and I had a firm school night bedtime. But for All Good Things , Dad overruled that and let me stay up til 11 so I could watch the entire thing. It's actually one of my favorite memories of my Dad from when I was a kid. We had a really rocky time later that lasted many years and our rift was healed because of our mutual love of scifi tv. My brother had tons of the toys, I had a shelf of the playmates ships.

:kimchi:

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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zoux posted:

Yeah it's a Buick, down to the wood-grain panelling.

These are the voyages of the Starship Le Sabre.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Khanstant posted:

The idea of a modular ship is cool, but the basic Trek ship design doesn't lend itself to it at all.

I liked the Matryoshka Doll Borg ship thing from First Contact, kind of wish they added another step or two though.

That was funny.

It should have been the cube spitting out a dodecahedron, which cracks open and disgorges a sphere, which a cone twists out of, then that sheds its damaged hull to become a cylinder and then, finally, one naked drone spiralling towards the Earth from high orbit.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Admiralty Flag posted:

A Borg icosahedron spits out a dodecahedron spits out an octahedron spits out a cube spits out a tetrahedron.

Thus are the Borg revealed to be the biggest D&D dice nerds in the quadrant, but when called on it they refer to them as "not randomizing devices but Platonic solids", which are "perfection manifest", and not "irrelevant gaming ridiculousness like 4th Edition, umm, we mean like 4th Edition Transwarp, which we've outgrown but still is pretty cool, yeah."

Wait until you see the calipers these Borg use to calculate fairness.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Powered Descent posted:



[music of the spheres intensifies]

I'm not even kidding, they need to use this for a design somewhere. All these nested shapes, and all of them rotating. It could be like a Borg Yorktown.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Admiralty Flag posted:

The true story is they had to migrate to 5th Edition because the only two archetypes any Borg would play in 4th were Controllers or Minions.

Everyone collectively gapes at Hugh as he expresses interest in trying Bard.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Admiralty Flag posted:

"Solo? Is that a permitted trait in the Collective?"


Not to nitpick but just based on the class name I'd say Hugh's a Seeker, but yeah mechanically I buy the Bard, though I'd say Essentials Skald (which is a Bard subtype anyway) is even closer.


God I'm such a nerd. Fortunately, I think it's a good assimilation defense.

Yeah you've outdone me for sure, I give!

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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zoux posted:

How much more flat could this ship be? None. None more flat.

Junkball did a heroic breakdown of everything that can be gleaned about that ship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIij0XO9_Ek

I've definitely got to check this out, I've seen pictures of that thing a thousand times and it just doesn't visually parse. It literally looks like it would be a circular floor the circumference of a moon with a bunch of miles-wide windows at about head height.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Delsaber posted:

At least there's a solid chance the Enterprise-J never happened since it was part of a prevented future timeline or whatever. We can toss it in the bin along with the triple-nacelle Enterprise-D.

Dude.

Okay, how about this: Star Trek: Nullspace. A science vessel falls into a non-space, where the only other worlds/vessels/people are ones who have been "deleted" from continuity. Also, Space Langoliers are hunting them.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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zoux posted:

All good things reminds me, who the gently caress was negotiating on behalf of the UFP on the Treaty of Algeron and agreed to unilaterally not use cloaking devices while everyone else gets to.

That must have happened after his intelligence regressed.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Actually, that is sort of hilarious.

Vulcans have a secret offshoot; the Romulans. Then, the Romulans have a secret offshoot: The Remans. What do Remans have? Is there an indigenous subreman race they keep hush?

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Carbon dioxide posted:

I thought the Remans were a distinct species that just happened to live there when the Romulans arrived thousands of years ago after they hosed off from Vulcan, and the Romulans just enslaved them.

One would think, since they're like loving scaly and Romulans aren't at all, but memory alpha just calls them a slave caste.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Kinda cool.

I think it's interesting how closely-related the Romulans and Borg became in almost all Trek media.

Even the Shatnerverse!

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Logically I would think shipyards in space, but since the shipyard was named for a big ol' plain on the surface of Mars I guess it was on the tin

Edit: oh it's both

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

Worf will not be appearing in Picard this season. Riker, Data, and Troi are the only TNG main cast showing up. That comment was referring to a possible future Worf appearance, saying he’d look like TNG Worf and not have the dramatic Disco look.

It would be funny if every single series had differaent Klingons. Lower Decks should make them inscrutably alien.

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Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

All you have to do is ask their opinion on giant 80’s shoulder pads

Too small, by far, and why no quilting?

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