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/\/\/\ Some day they'll be picking apart all the sociological failings of your favorite shows from a blindly contemporary perspective with no regard for their place in history, too.MikeJF posted:I think that's where it's going to go, but to me some of the greatest part of the idealism of Star Trek is that we might somehow make it to wisdom as a civilisation working together. That acts of idealism and morality aren't necessarily limited to heroes and individuals and small-scale stories, but something that we could collectively achieve together. Cast off the cynical idea that society must be a crushing, corrupted amoral machine dragging all of us down which must be defied if we want to do right, and instead present the idea that together we could build a civilisation to be proud of, one that could face times of darkness and struggle through while keeping ahold of its values and fight off the parts of itself that want to compromise them. This needs to be auto-posted at the top of every page of every Trek thread. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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MikeJF posted:putting the TOS-ificiation aside (which obviously* wouldn't fly as-is today) *the hell it is
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pyrotek posted:Fuller is a crazy genius. I can understand why they decided to get rid of him, but I wish they would have kept him. I can't believe anyone hires Fuller these days without knowing what they're getting ahead of time. "This guy is a legendary showrunner of unique vision with deadline and budget issues to match, but THIS TIME we'll bring him to heel without compromising his artistic integrity!" 
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MikeJF posted:Honestly, it could be great if they gave him once of the side Trek series he could delay all over now they've decided 'gently caress it let's just make half a dozen' Don't toy with my heart like this
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Tiberius Christ posted:re Disco's latest episode why is this story so drawn out, it's been taking forever to even get to the aliens and we haven't even seen them? It's been stretched out so much we've had multiple double crosses between Book and Tarka and the Discovery crew, like this started four episodes ago these aliens aren't interesting enough to warrant this amount of attention. Could have been a two parter at best and not a very good one Modern prestige-chasing writing is like in college when you'd desperately pad out your papers in every way possible except actually producing content about the topic at hand because that's like, actual work. Picard's the same way, so far in two episodes they've reached about the second commercial break of a normal episode's worth of content in a show that actually cared about getting you to the good stuff in an engaging manner. I watched TNG's "Parallels" after that and it was so easy to imagine that episode becoming an entire season of today's Star Trek: Worf I couldn't stop laughing.
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nine-gear crow posted:Alex Kurtzman shows up, gets assimilated by the Borg Queen as a gag, Chud Trek Twitter never shuts up about for the next 30 years. when do JJabramas and rod roddenberry kiss
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Eiba posted:Q punching Picard felt exactly like the "mature" violence of season 1, where they take the things from Next Generation and earlier Trek and just... make it dark and violent for no reason. I don't know if the Evil Timeline Enterprise being called the World Razer was supposed to be funny (it's not), but it got a hearty laugh out of me. "Can you tell this is the EEEEEVIL timeline yet??" They're trying to out-mirror the mirror universe so hard it's almost cute.
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't think Q slapping Picard counts as that anyway. It's pretty clear there's something wrong with Q and that was part of it. He causes lots of bullshit but he doesn't do anything so base as smacking people around. He's god, what does god need with a backhand? The senile Q stuff was legit, which makes its presence alongside the comedically over-the-top turbonazi stuff so jarring. This is what happens when you have eight executive producer cooks in one kitchen.
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nine-gear crow posted:https://twitter.com/SeanTourangeau/status/1502354318938177541 I wonder if someone told him to make the alternate timeline Enterprise literally darker and edgier or was that an organic decision. Senor Tron posted:Throughout TNG we see Picard being willing to stand by and avoid intering in situations he would personally feel confronted about. The reason he could not respond as his personal morality said is that he truly believed in Starfleet principles like the Prime Directive. The interesting version of that is a "there but for the grace of God" situation where there's no Prime Directive and the Federation is a true Homo Sapiens Only club ruled more like modern-day America, with lofty goals in principle but in practice concerned with maintaining the power of #1 first and the self-justifying image of the moral vanguard second. Of course that would require nuance and depth and episodes full of thematically relevant content instead of turning the MU dial up to eleven, all that lameoid poo poo the olds are always nitpicking about...
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Big Mean Jerk posted:It’s the 25th century, it’ll all end in a Borgy just like Gene would have wanted The tendril maneuver was tactically sound, the Queen simply sought the wrong targets to engage The_Doctor posted:Morn’s podcast is amazing, and his voice is so relaxing. I could listen to him talk about random things for hours. Morn ASMR ASM(o)R(n) McSpanky fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:
Hey, can we have more high-horse tut-tutting about an entity Q called "the ultimate user" and from which Picard had life-changing psychological trauma because it effortlessly smashed aside his free will and used him to murder tens of thousands? Quote, "they took everything I was"? This isn't scifi collectivism and using it for some fetishy moralizing is pretty gross. There's definitely a weird hangover at work here but it isn't for ARE FREEDOMS, jeez
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Mar 14, 2022 12:24
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:The point isn't that the Borg are the good guys (they're not!) but that hive minds and collective consciousnesses are NEVER the good guys. They're always the Scary Other to be defeated with Plucky Individualism. And this conversation is a good measure of why.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:You can have hive minds without coercion, you can have collective consciousness (and action) without lockstep thinking. But if you need a Scary Antagonist, cold-war characterisation of Communism as an oppressive hive mind vs the US as Individual Above All is right there. Just saying "these in universe examples are why we don't see that" is just a tautology. "It is that way because that's how it is". Or it's because the elimination of the individual leaves you inevitably with drones who serve only the will of others, and it takes a mindset of pure utilitarianism bereft of respect for personhood to see that as anything other than innately horrifying? It's the way it is because that's how people are. And again, this has nothing to do with the politics of collectivism or whatever, Khanstant just loves hijacking these portrayals to inject his weird annihilation-of-self fetish. You're handing dirty socks to Quentin Tarantino in the name of freedom of expression. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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The Bloop posted:Gul Dukat is a great villain but the point being made is that if you're target audience doesn't catch the satire then you're doing it badly or too subtly That's absolutely the worst measure of good satire, satire should be misinterpreted by a portion of the audience and have the people who get it elbowing them and going "no you idiot". All of the famous historical satires were as readily misinterpreted in their time as Starship Troopers and Fight Club. A satire that everyone gets because it's winking and nudging every five minutes is a parody and not nearly as effective because everyone is cued to be in on the joke. And no, this isn't the same thing as the black-and-white aliens from "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield". You're fooling yourself if you didn't think that in the 60s there were people who watched that episode and thought to themselves "well sure, that makes sense" as they were ironing their klan sheets. That's no justification to go broader and dumber until you hit the absolute bottom of the barrel. Typical Pubbie posted:Writers can't let reactionary idiots dictate how they write their characters. Lowest common denominator writing is a plague on modern trek. Deeply ironic name/post combo, love it Charity Porno posted:Oh for sure, real life militaries are known for their spectacular teamwork don't look at any current events Like half of Picard's speeches in season one of TNG are about how humanity got to where it is by finally getting over being selfish needy babies and working together for the greater good, especially in "The Neutral Zone" which is contrasted directly with a then-contemporary Greed Is Good 80s Guy as a practically atavistic throwback. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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Didn't they also need her eye to do some special sensory  in the episode where Harry Kim crashed Voyager with the quantum slipstream?
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Payndz posted:Lower Decks gets away with it because it's a comedy, but in the ostensibly dramatic Disco and Picard it's out of place. Lower Decks and Prodigy have also proven that they can slip back into Trekkian formality when necessary, whereas I don't think the live action shows are capable of the reverse.
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Isn't a Records Officer a thing? Someone's gotta be collating and organizing all those logs and mission reports, right?
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skasion posted:That said, shackling Trek to future of the present moment has its downside as well. To wit, one can easily end up just making a show about the people the writers now know, but with rayguns. What do you mean "can"? This is clearly that show now. This very last episode, even.
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xerxus posted:https://twitter.com/TheTrekCentral/status/1509310418736586759?s=20&t=08k49UrmpVRAzIEeWY-QVA Lol is there any part of this production that isn't comically overwrought
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Delsaber posted:Can't decide if I should get the Pike Swoop or the Spockburns Production notes from literally every single aspect of SNW: "MORE, MORE!!"
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Big Mean Jerk posted:My 13 years of experience on this forum has taught me that 70% of goons hate serialized storytelling because it fundamentally breaks their brains. Brah there's plenty of shows that do serialized storytelling without spinning their wheels like this and goons love them, get out with this weak-rear end strawman
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The_Doctor posted:Nothing wrong with optimism. No but there's something wrong with finding anything to be optimistic about in those trailers
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The_Doctor posted:Anson Mount’s presence does a lot, based off his sheer charisma from season 2. The TOS fanfare and his presence are literally the only things that have caused any positive reaction in me so far. And they sure seem to working hard at souring the latter with this inane future knowledge plot. blastron posted:Am I misreading this, or are you saying that the trailers are so universally and objectively terrible that anyone watching them and coming away feeling optimistic has something wrong with them? lol yes exactly
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Charity Porno posted:They are going to hate it no matter what but still tune in week after week and post about how bad it is that they didn't spell out minor plot point in the script I didn't even finish season 1 of Discovery, try again
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Also this is why Disco and all the Discospawn are not and never will be canon No bloody A, B, C or Discovery 
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The Chairman posted:the trailer clip of Pike beaming in alone and uninvited to what are apparently diplomatic talks and casually greeting the leaders gives me that vibe of early Federation expansion when they hadn't codified their rules yet and captains had a lot of latitude to conduct missions however they wanted That's funny, it gave me the vibe of an MCU movie
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Senor Tron posted:The worst for this is how all the consoles are outlined with bright lights. Like imagine staring at those screens all day. I hope the viewscreen isn't on all the time because that constant 3D blurring effect would give me some fierce eyestrain after eight hours. Apparently focal length is a lost technology until 2266.
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Charity Porno posted:Oh word? Can I see that? Hitting up memory alpha for things to insert into the [TRIVIA REFERENCE] script tag not only isn't the evidence of deep abiding true fandom you seem to think it is, it hardly makes for compelling television either. I know you have trouble grasping this whole concept of quality over quantity, maybe I can hire 11 executive producers to generate ten hours of repetitive content about it to get the idea across.
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LinkesAuge posted:That episode was always flawed because it ignored the reality of its own setting. We are taking about humans in a post-scarcity society that worry more about land than actually keeping peace and being reasonable just because of ancient history that really shouldn't relate to their experiences anymore. Thank you for typing this out, the fact that the episode wholeheartedly ran with the premise and never had anyone speak up and go "uh, why do you guys have a chip on your shoulder about things that happened to you over 600 years ago?" (and also never seriously interrogated the ridiculous proposition that Picard has blood on his hands for something an ancestor of his did even further in the past) broke the whole allegory in a big way. Whoever wrote that ep should've journaled about their guilt that day instead.
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Charity Porno posted:Yikes gently caress off troll No, seriously, have you ever interacted with anyone in this thread in a manner other than to make bad-faith reads to piss them off or cheerlead garbage? See the first line from now on. Wheeee posted:On one hand, Star Trek takes place hundreds of years in the future in a galaxy teeming with sapient humanoid life and in which humanity has survived a species-threatening bottleneck, narrowly escaping extinction and completely recontextualizing the human experience. No, that's what an allegory is for, to take a step back and look at the issue from another angle, give it a perspective divorced from the baggage and prejudices the viewer would bring to the unaltered concern. It doesn't need to be simple, it needs to be direct. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I love the smell of Bij in the morning Smells like... Akiva Goldsman
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Wheeee posted:hosed up that the best star trek of the 21st century is a knock-off made by the family guy guy Even more hosed up that that's not damning with faint praise, it's actually that good.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I handwaved it as they just omitted showing us Jurati running around persuading the band and the spotlight operator to indulge her in creating this theatrical moment. I handwaved it as it not making any sense because this show isn't very good.
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DaveKap posted:That rulebook about Trek is so solid and explains what I love about Trek. As a friend (and people here) have said, nutrek feels like it's made for a completely new audience and does not want old fans around anymore. And yet they keep trying to draw them in with a constant sprinkling of winking references, trivia nods and now a whole series which is looking to be basically made of them. A welcoming pat on the back with one hand and a shove out the door with another.
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nine-gear crow posted:"We cut out a thing we didn't think people would care about in order to move the story along faster. People got mad anyway." Clearly Terry isn't the Trekker he claims to be if he intentionally skipped an opportunity to explain trivial minutiae!
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ashpanash posted:If you legitimately enjoy it, then I'm not trying to insult you. Everyone has their own tastes. But this...this is overly circuitous pablum to me. I feel at this point as if I'm only watching out of some twisted sense of obligation. Or hope. Because it has to get better...right? something something Mike Okuda If I emptyquoted this any harder it would become a black hole of frustration and ennui.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Goons: How's the CBS payroll, can I get in the thread cop gig too?
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Khanstant posted:weird different people having different opinion about different things at different times in different contexts No it's goons, lol, everything I don't agree with is  lmao omfg those zany goons just can't watch a teeveeDelsaber posted:Knowing what we know now, it's also possible that this illusion could just be what Picard wanted to see in that moment, rather than how she actually was. That might fit with some of the other hallucinations in that episode as well. Whatever the case, there's a lot of wiggle room for how literally we can interpret all that weird-rear end edge of the universe stuff. Boy if there's any show that absolutely hasn't earned the right to recontextualize a far better one it's... Discovery, but Picard is right there behind it.
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CPColin posted:I didn't have a drink ready and missed my usual policy of taking a drink every time somebody says "some sort of" Would this be more or less dangerous than a DS9 watch where you chug every time someone says "don't you see?"
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Delsaber posted:Didn't TOS have like a whole penal colony for the "dangerously insane" or something? Written in the 60s, of course. They had one specific facility left for criminal insanity, after having cured the vast majority of causes of mental illness and only being left with the rare outlier cases that still resisted treatment. I haven't watched TOS in a day but as I recall it wasn't even an implication but outright stated that that there were only enough of these outliers remaining in the entire Federation to merit such a singular place, and Bones was hopeful that medical science would eventually eliminate their illnesses as well. nine-gear crow posted:I gotta admit, it's been literally loving impossible for me to take this thread even remotely seriously any more since that post showing quotes from all the people from the 90s internet blowing their gaskets over TNG using the exact same rhetoric as the peeps on the 2020s internet blowing the same gaskets over Picard's storytelling prowess or lack thereof. It was one of those disturbing, focus-pulling "time is a short circle" moments that I've been seeing far too often now that I've been alive long enough to have an appreciation for relatively recent history.  This isn't the stunning shift in perspective you think it is, or should be. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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