Mooseontheloose posted:

Are you saying Q can't hit a curveball?

Phylodox posted:

What do you mean by a "referential" joke, though? The show has a wacky sense of humour, but I don't think it's shown any meta- tendencies. Like, they're not referencing William Shatner or Patrick Stewart, they seem fairly committed to maintaining the universal integrity of the franchise, so referencing the fact that Corbin Bernsen was in a movie with Charlie Sheen seems out of character. If you just mean the show referencing things that have happened earlier in the continuity, they've done that. The opener with the despotic energy orb is referencing, like, probably four or five episodes.

Phylodox posted:

It’s referencing something meta-textual, which is what I said. The show hasn’t shown any inclination towards that kind of humour. Is failing at something you aren’t attempting really failing?

Phylodox posted:

There’s a difference between referencing things in-universe and referencing things meta-textually. Having Corbin Bernsen show up and someone say “Aw, we got the garbage Q!” is an in-universe reference, which they’ve done (both with direct call-outs and without). Having Corbin Bernsen show up and someone say “What’s this lawyer doing here?” is a meta-textual reference, which they haven’t done and have shown no tendencies towards.

It’s obvious you just don’t like the show and don’t think it’s funny, which is fine and subjective, but I just think it’s weird to accuse a show of not being able to do something it’s not trying to do (meta-textual humour) and count that as a failing.

Phylodox posted:

You said it’s a joke the writers of the show are incapable of. So either you’re accusing them of not being able to do something they aren’t trying to do, or you’re accusing them of not being able to do something that they’ve done, but you ignored in favour of the jokes you didn’t like.

The Bloop posted:

I'm not accusing you of lying about it or not wanting the best!

I mostly just feel bad for people irrationally angry at a silly comedy because it isn't the Best Thing Ever and making GBS threads up the thread with six paragraph diatribes about how the show is a waste of their time

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

It's a weird as hell thing to say man and sounds like you need to take a few breaths and step back a bit.

EDIT: Like, I get that you don't like the show and I understand why, but wow

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

It's not an analysis, it's a statement and one that's pretty excessive, and sounds pretty angry tho obviously tone is hard in text.

The Bloop posted:

Oh my god please just stfu about it

I am sorry I ever posted about posting because I should have known what would happen


Make a post about star trek please

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Someone in these threads once made the very good point that most folks probably dislike Lwaxana because as a kid you don’t understand why this annoying horny lady is getting in the way of all the fun space adventure poo poo. But looking back as an adult she loving owns because she’s there specifically to make all these stuffy *~enlightened 24th century~* people as uncomfortable as possible.

Basically:

The_Doctor posted:

Gone is the 22 episode television season, unless you’re on the CW or a Law & Order spin off. Which is a shame, I’d love to see a 22 ep season of Disco where they’ve got time to breathe.

4000 Dollar Suit posted:

Kind of weird that goons are like one of the few communities I see not currently taking a poo poo on Lower Decks.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Judging by the responses here and online I don’t think people get LD isn’t trying to be traditional ST and it’s breaking people’s minds

It’s not like discovery or Picard who still pretend they are Star Trek whole just being action schlock

CharlestheHammer posted:

I get it just fine, if you don’t find it funny that’s whatever comedy is subjective but people seem to think it’s going to be Star Trek with jokes. Which...it isn’t.

Phylodox posted:

I basically just covered that in my post directly above yours. Star Trek is not traditionally a comedy series. Sure, it has comedic moments, but it has always had the tone and themes of a drama/adventure show. Star Trek, as it has always been, with jokes is The Orville; a drama/adventure show with jokes (in my opinion) unevenly inserted into the narrative. Lower Decks isn’t Star Trek with jokes. It’s a comedy show, with the themes, tone, pacing, and characters that come with that, set in the Star Trek continuity. It’s a very important distinction.

Phylodox posted:

I don’t know if it’s deliberate (I’m inclined to think it is, given your tone in this thread up til now), but you seem to have either misunderstood or mischaracterized everything I said.

Phylodox posted:

I explained, quite clearly, how he was right. You countered by being needlessly pedantic and literal.

Phylodox posted:

Again, you’re just being pointlessly literal. “It’s Star Trek because Star Trek is in the name!!!”, ignoring that Star Trek has had an established genre and (admittedly looser) tone since before many of us were born. This show is the first big departure from that genre and tone, hence it’s not “Star Trek”.

Phylodox posted:

This is like talking to a brick wall. I’m talking about tone, genre, and characterization and you’re countering with quotes about continuity. Nothing you just quoted contradicts, or even really speaks to what I’ve said. Yes, Lower Decks could technically slot into the Star Trek timeline without causing any major contradictions. The show itself, however, is wildly different from any of the other shows.

If you took a season of The Next Generation and slotted in an episode of Lower Decks it would, in fact, break the show.

CharlestheHammer posted:

I’m geniunely asking, do you not know what tone is? Like the TNG movies have a genuinely different tone to what the show was. Nothing to with continuity poo poo, they are functionally different properties

An Ounce of Gold posted:

Do you not understand the point the poster was making?

Phylodox posted:

I have no problem with that because I don’t bother trying to make Lower Decks work within the context of the actual Star Trek continuity. Like I said, just imagine that it’s a television show within the context of the Star Trek universe. It works fine that way.

Seriously, if Patrick Stewart ever did do a guest spot on this show, do you think he’d be playing a character recognizable as the Jean-Luc Picard from Next Generation? Or would he be a loose caricature thereof? It would be like Obama guest hosting Saturday Night Live or something.

Phylodox posted:

Again, continuity is not tone or genre etc. And even if it were, I don’t care. Why does that matter in the slightest?

twistedmentat posted:

That's what I assumed was being bleeped.

I did like how all the stuff the Senior Staff does for fun is considering extra boring and annoying.

The_Doctor posted:

It’s hilarious because what the TNG bridge crew do for fun is incredibly stuffy and dull.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

this kind of thinly-veiled "if you think this is funny you are not as smart as I am" commentary sucks rear end, man. You could very easily have responded to this without the accusatory tone. There's been plenty of people discussing their negative opinions of the show ITT without the pointless hostility.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

Do you not see the difference between that opinion and yours?

hint: saying "the officers recreational time tends to be spent on boring stuff" isn't a dig against you. Saying "this is only funny if you require constant stimulation" and "only my idiot kid brother would enjoy this" is a dig against people who do like the show.

If you can't articulate your opinion without being lovely at other people, I dunno what to tell you.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

I didn't say it was a revelation, I said Rutherford made a good point, and that it's rarely explored.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

wait are you arguing that because "rarely" doesn't equal "never" that it's not a good observation? Like because we have seen the holodeck used for training a few times in an ocean of Mark Twain simulations, that saying "hey the holodeck is good for all sorts of stuff!" is a dumb point? I genuinely cannot parse what you're trying to say here.


I thought it was when Rutherford smacks Badgey to get him to load faster that was the trigger for return violence.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

e: you know what nevermind, I'm just going to enjoy the show and discuss it with the other people who do ITT

Tiggum posted:

We've seen it enough to infer that it's actually used for training quite often, we just don't see it because it's usually not very interesting. Like, we don't have to see Barry Allen tidying up his house at super speed in every episode of The Flash to realise that he probably does it off-screen all the time, because we've seen him do it at least once.

So yes, it's a dumb point that makes no sense from that character.

socialsecurity posted:

Why are very few meant to know of Q? It's a godlike being known to gently caress with Federation ships including the flagship multiple times. It would be insane if every single Starfleet person did not know of Q.

socialsecurity posted:

Where/When was this ever mentioned?

socialsecurity posted:

One character didn't know 15 years prior in universe, is the basis of your scathing essays against this cartoon show. Take a step back man and look at what you are doing.