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Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Philthy posted:

How the hell can you call yourself a medical professional when you allow someone to casually walk around with the potential to spread the freakin plague.

when they're in the inner circle of the president

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Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Lube banjo posted:

While there is some truth to this story, it seems to be based on an assumption. And if they're using death toll with assumed dead, they need to do that for the other highest-total days as well.

So it's CDC confirmed vs CDC confirmed + assumed dead, that's not an apples-to-apples comparrison.

It seems just poorly written. Even if the 23rd didn't include suspected the article is explicit that it has been the worst day in May. Which they remove from the data to get the 23rd 2.4k as previously significant.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Tipps posted:

Almost exactly a year ago today, humans across the planet paid record-breaking amounts of money to watch a fictional story about using any means necessary to stop a threat from wiping out half the human race.

1917? I get the flu parallels but I think you're overstating WW1

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Chomp8645 posted:

Come on man, I hardly ever watch Marvel movies and even I know what "half the human race" is referencing.


*snaps fingers at u*
Wouldn't that be half of everything

And a fraction of infinity is still infinity. What a dumb movie.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


If it was just a coin flip of any random cell most all complex life would end.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Corona still good to go though

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Considering that large gatherings are specifically illegal, and the protests were large gatherings to protest the lockdown, that seems like a safe conclusion. Were there any other reports of large gatherings in the state?
They haven't found my sunday ragers yet (church)

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Untrustable posted:

Only letting in 40 people and only turning on every 5th machine. Customers not required (but gently encouraged) to wear masks. Doors unlocked so security will have to deal with the braying hordes of people outside who want in. We have to take everyone's temperature at the door. We were asked to supply our own PPE. Less than half of staff called back in. There are gonna be knock down drag out fist fights because I'm in one of the worst states and no one is gonna want their temp taken and no one is going to accept that the casino is at capacity. When I asked my bosses how we were handling enforcement of these rules I was told that the customers would just do it and we needn't worry about people not listening.

Well report that osha violation regarding ppe

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Earwicker posted:

wisconsin will forever have a dark place in my heart for electing a guy who really hosed up scott walker's (the musician) google search rankings

that'll sort itself out in a decade

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


poverty goat posted:

I just had a conversation with my elderly evangelical republican dad and he is now saying things like "I can't even watch fox news anymore" and "his buffoonery is having real consequences instead of being a thing you laugh about on the nightly news"

It's been having real consequences for years now but it's finally close enough to home for him to realize it's not a joke. Progress, folks!

"dad, keep it up and you won't go to hell"

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


We (ohio) have second number of olds vs FL iirc. Mid June i hope we lock down again

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


WithoutTheFezOn posted:

Not that it matters much, but Ohio isn’t even close to the top. Neither in total people or per capita.

Oh I guess being fat and on opiods ages you

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


shovelbum posted:

Also we could've done what Taiwan did which was straight up send people to go check it out.

Trump pulled that position the previous year.

The cspam thread was doomsaying well before late jan.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


punishedkissinger posted:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doctors-raise-alarm-about-health-effects-of-continued-coronavirus-shutdown

Has this already been posted? Right wingers are trotting out this letter signed by 600 doctors demanding we reopen. basically they are saying that Covid 19 restrictions are causing people to miss screening for deadly diseases.

It's a stupid talking point that has been known from the China days and our response means that screening for deadly diseases will more likely kill you then the deadly disease. They just found 600 specialists that are hurting for money.

E- lmao it's even worse. They're touting the depression and suicide talking point even though there's no mandatory quarantine. I guess Trump may remember saying that early March

Submarine Sandpaper fucked around with this message at 15:12 on May 21, 2020

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


why are people posting that guy's tweets every day

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Popoto posted:

I mean, death has to be reported anyway right? The only thing they gently caress with is the cause of death yeah? Isn't it then just a case of comparing monthly average from year to year and then just adding the deviancy from the norm?

the spin will be 'death from staying at home' or w/e. Not that there's any reality to that, it'll still be touted.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


I walked the dogs past the flats today, which is basically all bars. Ohio re-opened dine in sitting yesterday.

Mostly old fat white patrons, no masks on them at all. All staff were wearing one with the nose fully exposed. This does not bode well for any of these establishments that on noon during a holiday weekend they were at like 20% capacity.

Local super good ice cream place opened today. Surprisingly masks on half the people waiting in line. Nowhere near any distancing on them.

Now it's time to go risk death so I can plant tomatoes and peppers.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


We won't have to wait till fall.

We went full this doesnt spread in the heat, which only correlates with people being outside more.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


coronavirus posted:

Go to a bar, kiss a stranger, ride mass transit for the first time, don't wear uncomfortable masks.

You can trust me, it's I, coronavirus.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


CJacobs posted:

imo it's disingenuous to assume that people in situations like that will do absolutely nothing to change their own circumstances and will just suffer or die because of the lockdown. Counting people as casualties of the lockdown before they've even died shows us where your true agenda lies.

it's disingenuous because right wing american policy does nothing to help any of those terrible things that are being touted as reasons to end the lockdown.

/e [s]

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


CJacobs posted:

I mean you're right that people who are struggling deserve a support network. But that kind of feels like stating the obvious without actually saying anything salient.
I don't think it's obvious to a majority of americans. Look at farmer suicides in the years preceding this.

/e or the heroin/obesity whatever response

Submarine Sandpaper fucked around with this message at 19:09 on May 24, 2020

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


coronavirus posted:

My only point is right now we don't know if its less deaths. My guess is it is. But we won't know for a couple years. Its quite possible that more will end up dying because of the massive amount of people that will enter lower levels of poverty, have no access to regular healthcare because they wont have a job to come back to, mental health issues, domestic violence, etc etc.

I'm still strongly leaning towards this is saving lives, but its tens of thousands, not millions like we first thought.
Good thing per capita people payed 28k to companies and got 1.3k in return.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


We have just witnessed possibly the most blatant reallocation of wealth upward and there's hand-wringing about how people won't be able to get their insulin unless they're manning a blackjack table.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


smoobles posted:

Wait what's this 28k number derived from?

CARES + Fed injection / taxpayers.

That figure is old and it's probably more by now, but it's just like 2008-2010 when only the poor will be effected.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Bleusilences posted:

How can this be possible? Is it because covid deaths doesn't count in nursing homes?

Nursing homes exist to extract pensions. That's where the regulation exists

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


give me a source for that last part

science doesn't have all the answers immediately. asymptomatic spreading supports the initial claims it did not spread.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


oh a xenophobic rereg great

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


As someone who protested, yeah it'll result in more spreading but that cat already left the bag with the astroturfed right wingers. The disparity between how the protest groups are treated just shows how important these actually are.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


coronavirus posted:

Either there is going to be a massive spike of covid because of all the riots, or we all agree things are ok and we get to start going to movies again.

I'm leaning towards #1 though tbh.

I hate your posting in this thread and I hope more action is taken against your re-reg.

If there were no protests there would be a spike regardless from business opening without having to traverse the protests.

You are just trying to blame the oppressed you shithead.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Dear Watson posted:

I may be misremembering, but I thought all the giant meatpacking hotspots were due to asymptomatic carriers. Am I remembering wrong?

It is a poo poo article.

quote:

To be sure, asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread of the virus appears to still be happening, Van Kerkhove said but remains rare. That finding has important implications for how to screen for the virus and limit its spread. 
"What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases," Van Kerkhove said. "If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those contacts, we would drastically reduce" the outbreak.
Correction: An earlier headline should have said most asymptomatic coronavirus patients aren't spreading new infections. The word "most" was inadvertedly omitted. 

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


A Fancy Hat posted:

VVV - my father in law also wanted to do a "family get-together" this past weekend. My wife and I were going to go when we thought it was 8 people in total hanging around outside.

It turned into "Okay so 50 members of my church are going to be there, and we'll be inside my 3 room house. Oh and my church believes the virus doesn't exist so nobody will wear a mask and will, in fact, get visibly angry at you for wearing a mask."

We told him no, he got pissed, but I'm not going to risk anything like that. It really sucks that saying "I don't want to potentially infect you and everyone you come in contact with" is now a statement akin to "hey im gonna do gay space communism now" with conservative members of the family, but here we are.

Half my family is trying to kill my grandparents this Father's day.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


poverty goat posted:

If everyone in America handled this with such courage and composure we'd all be starving to death because there would be no food to buy. Nevermind that you can't run a hospital if all the doctors and nurses quit.

It would also be pretty much over instead of just the beginning.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Fatkraken posted:

He's saying we have very good statistical evidence that the 10,000,000 infected number is a vast under-estimate, we know for a fact from serology that it is common to have had the virus and not be included in the infected statistics. deaths are also likely to be under reported, but because "death" is a more severe situation than "a bit o a sniffle" or "completely fine thanks", people dead from pneumonia are more likely to be tested than the never-symptomatic infected we know to exist in large numbers.

We don't know the exact magnitude of this difference so the ACTUAL death rate is indeed impossible to accurately determine, but it is less than 5%


Edit: it is also much MUCH more deadly in the elderly and those with certain pre-existing conditions, so "population death rate" and "chance of a specific poster dying if they are infected" are also not the same thing.

we also don't know if it can reoccur and if so how soon after or if reoccurrence will be worse then the initial. This has a tendency to give you a pre-existing condition even if it doesn't kill you.

Really though a nation with a lower CFR tends to be one ahead in testing so the at risk don't get it. Guess what we don't do?

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Zero I think you should take a break.

Our economy already collapsed with 40+ million despite what you may see on the stock market.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


zer0spunk posted:

my dudes (and ladies), WEARING A MASK is a political statement. Are we really having this debate about systemic change of capitalism right now? 🤦

that mask wearing is a political statement is exactly the type of bullshit that allows for a system being torn down. The Fed promoting a further commodification of communities isn't going to help the 40+ mil now or the 80+ mil come fall. It's just allowing for masks to continue to be a political statement due to the great stock market.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Mozi posted:

but how long did it take them to publicly change that opinion?

i still don't get this hate boner

asymptomatic infection is a thing and by golly initial observation will show that as lack of transmission. it's like my chuddy boss who thinks that we have the best bio labs in the world or some other dumb poo poo. They're miles ahead of us.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


what good info has the US given regarding this virus? It's not in some initial stage anymore.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


America's CDC:

wearing a mask does not help prevent spread

5 months later mask orders.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


idk if dewine was originally from here but an ohioan finally found the final solution to ohio

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Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


That ignores other Georgian fuckery of charts and poo poo too

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