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I guess in the next few weeks everybody has to roll a saving throw for roni. With age 64, smoker, recovered from diabetes 2 and lost 30 kg overweight a few years ago, my chances are not stellar, but not disastrous either: I guess that roni needs a critical hit, but on the other hand, I have seen a lot of critical hits over time.
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On the creepy scale it reminds me of the Chernobyl disaster in 1986. I was working in the physics department in Nijmegen, Netherlands at the time, and for some time the clouds of radiation swerved over Europe, while we didn't know how bad they would be, and when they would reach us. At least, when the first contaminated rain fell on my garden, it turned out that for Western Europe the damage was temporary and limited. Otherwise, I have read so many science fiction novels of disasters in my youth, and in my current reading of history plagues are so much part of the story, that current events almost feel like a deja vu. What is special today, is that so many people expect that technology will protect them, and if not, than that must be somebody's fault. So they start quarrelling over the guilt question. It used to be just an angry God.
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Mar 19, 2020 01:59
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:It's OK, when the Dutch have finally obtained herd immunity (and solved their retirement funds problems) they will sell us their plasma full of nice antibodies for a hefty amount We have almost the same packet of measures as our neighbours, except the law-enforcement part, for now. But I expect that to be introduced this weekend as well. I think governments are phasing their measures to make the population accept them. Each day the mood is shifting and harsher measures become more acceptable. The price we pay for the entitlement of Western citizens. It will cost a few thousands of extra deaths
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Mar 19, 2020 20:16
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I said come in! posted:35 of the first confirmed cases came from Wuhan, and it was people who visited and purchased products from a live wild life animal market, that was then shut down. Its pretty safe to assume that Chinese laws around the sale of wild life animals is to blame for this. They need to change their laws and add in restrictions and regulations for the sale of animals if they dont want this to happen again. The Chinese government is breathtakingly terrible at everything, and that is where the real blame should go. Because blaming is what this is all about.
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Mar 19, 2020 20:28
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NihilismNow posted:75% of those who died never made it to the ICU (source: volkskrant https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/driekwart-van-overleden-coronapatienten-in-nederland-kwam-nooit-op-intensive-care~b9c5660d/) 14 out of 58 dead were in Intensive care. These first victims were all very ill already, and ICU treatment would have put them through a long drowning experience without hope. The decision not to go that way was taken together with the relatives. Many of them died at home. Undoubtedly with heavy sedation.
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Mar 19, 2020 20:41
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sweet thursday posted:Is Netflix going to lower their $ rates then? That is so vitally important now.
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Mar 19, 2020 20:45
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sweet thursday posted:Well if you're paying for HD and getting SD then yes I think one of the thousands of posts in this thread can be dedicated to asking that question because in 5 months those 6 extra dollars might be the difference between bread and starvation, and who's the assjole then Are you even living in Europe?
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Mar 19, 2020 20:48
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Chomp8645 posted:I think it's reasonable to assume something similar may happen in the US in the near future. Our internet infrastructure is already infamously shittier than most of Europe as is. But your country adheres to the philosophy that dollars trump all other arguments, so it might go different there.
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Mar 19, 2020 20:53
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NihilismNow posted:Is reducing the bitrate even necessary across all of Europe? I haven't heard about any internet capacity problems here. In large parts of Europe capacity is good enough, but this is typically socialist protection of the weak :-)
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Mar 19, 2020 20:56
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Shaocaholica posted:Why not just buy their tests? Why do your own homework when you can copy someone else and pay them its win-win. They will only sell when Trump publicly says 'pretty please?'.
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Mar 19, 2020 21:13
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QuarkJets posted:You're misunderstanding the messaging; normal untrained people shouldn't use masks because they don't know how to use the masks effectively, rendering them basically useless. The number of people wearing a mask on their chin or reaching up under their mask to scratch their nose is high because it takes a level of effort and training that they have not received. It's not dangerous to tell those people to stop bothering and save masks for the professionals with greater need and actual ppe training, nor is it inconsistent (your original, erroneous complaint) Even a home made mask gives significant protection, first of all towards other people when you are contagious yourself, but also for yourself, during non-intensive contacts. Not order of magnitude better protection, but maybe about double. Everybody should wear home made masks now. That doesn't take anything away from professional stocks and would have a statistical impact. And for the next plague: lets make sure that good face masks are as common as toilet paper.
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Mar 20, 2020 00:38
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Piggy Smalls posted:https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/l-a-mayor-garcetti-expected-to-update-public-health-orders-in-response-to-covid-19/ This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.
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Mar 20, 2020 03:39
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Baller Time posted:Germany is gonna hit 20000 confirmed cases today. Yesterday it was 15000. Only 59 deaths, somehow. The relatively low number of deaths is probably because Germany has been testing much more people than other Western countries, so their confirmed cases include many who would never have been noticed in other countries, who in practice only test people with severe symptoms. Also, their initial group of patients was relatively young, so a low percentage of casualties. It is not like German citizens behave much better than their neighbours.
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Mar 20, 2020 19:51
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BIG TIT LIL NIP posted:lmao. mayors 20 minutes late to urgent public announcement. Yeah, I can't imagine she has a full agenda with surprise events today.
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Mar 20, 2020 22:56
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China is using its medical supplies currently to strengthen their relation with the countries of the Great Silk Road project. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3076210/how-chinas-coronavirus-response-may-shape-future-its-flagship
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Mar 21, 2020 12:37
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Lombardy focus was not because of Chinese tourists but because of the local Chinese working community that had visited China for the new year. I think, I read that somewhere.
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Mar 21, 2020 19:42
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Arven posted:Are these instructions posted everywhere for DIY facemasks to donate to hospitals legit? My wife sews and wants to help but it seems like something hospitals would never accept for a myriad of reasons. Prisoners nearby have been sewing home made facemasks for the last week, but they use them internally in the prison. Not high production: 10 men made a few hundred masks in a few days. But better than nothing. In a hospital nearby staff has been sewing good quality masks using special foil that came with other medical equipment. A handful of staff are there sewing. Meanwhile, today the first of a couple of plane loads of masks from China have arrived here in the Netherlands. Those were ordered a few weeks ago.
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Mar 21, 2020 23:30
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My niece - who is a nurse - is making these masks now, and my son will bring me some tomorrow. http://springelkamp.nl/usr/img/2020/03.png You put a piece of vacuum cleaner bag inside, and it will protect at about 70%, where a surgical mask does 90%. But mostly I hope it will keep other people at a distance :-)
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Mar 24, 2020 20:21
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PederP posted:In Denmark we're unable to test because most public hospitals have vendor lock-in with Roche, which has caused a huge clusterfuck of not having to turn down offers of free testing from South Korea, aid from universities, and a small-ish private company with 3 times the number of PCR test machines compared to all Danish hospitals combined. gently caress Roche. Here in the Netherlands most hospitals have the same problem. We need a special agent that steals the formula and gives it to the world. Or just one employee who is not a very bad person.
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Mar 26, 2020 18:18
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cyberbug posted:What the gently caress, Netherlands and Denmark don't have some kind of state of emergency legislation that allows the government to say "lol no" to that kind of poo poo? The production and head quarters are located in Switzerland. Outside the jurisdiction of Denmark and the Netherlands.
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Mar 26, 2020 21:38
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50 years ago I was kind of shocked when in several historical atlases there were combined maps of the Black Death pandemic and pogroms against Jews, but when I read even SA, I see scapegoating dirty foreigners has and will always be the norm.
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Mar 27, 2020 19:08
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Der Kyhe posted:I'd say that like Chernobyl incident was caused and then made worse more or less by the Soviet Union internal policies, Corona is running more or less on the same script for the CCP. At least these disasters were not unleashed on purpose, unlike the death coming from American bombs.
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Mar 27, 2020 20:30
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frogge posted:How did the older generations deal with the constant threat of nuclear exchange at any moment? For real. The risk was rarely urgent, and most people could put it away as 'this is not going to happen because it is too absurd'. I was born in 1955, NL, so I came after the most risky period, but I have never met people that were really afraid, except maybe some nutcases. The hate against communism came from over the Atlantic, but here, much closer to the front line, people were not too worried. There were still quite a lot of contacts between East and West here. 20 kilometres East of where I live some villages had democratically elected Communist councils.
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Mar 28, 2020 00:07
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Here in the hospital in Groningen where my niece works, 100% of Corona cases in the ICU are male and overweight.
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Mar 28, 2020 17:12
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EimiYoshikawa posted:It's hard to find a single political leader or nation that hasn't hosed things up in this disaster thus far. The world is being kicked around by authoritarian Chinese leaders, a mobster US leader, bloodthirsty Sunni's, vengeful Shia, you name it, all of whom are under threat from some of the others. Outright lies have been shouted at each other at a high volume over the last years, massive propaganda and deception programs are active. How can anybody expect an effective cooperation between those parties. All the errors that are made are a logical consequence of the political configuration.
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Piggy Smalls posted:It’s like no good news at all. Have you not read about the clean air?
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Mar 29, 2020 01:25
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Munin posted:Their numbers are probably massaged. Given the strong incentive operating at all levels to always be reporting success I'd be surprised if they weren't. The broad narrative that they got the outbreak under control for now is not something I see any reason to doubt. What most Americans are arguing that China is evil. Because in times of hardship you have to blame someone.
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Mar 29, 2020 02:08
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About cleaning cloth masks: My niece, who is a nurse working in a hospital with Corona patients, made me two cloth masks, where you put a disposable vacuum cleaner filter between the two layers of cotton. She provided the whole family. The cloth can be cleaned in a regular washing machine at the highest temperature, 90°Celsius. But because this uses a lot of energy for such a small load, 10 minutes in a pan of boiling water is more practical for a single user. You can then iron them.
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Mar 30, 2020 00:02
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Mithaldu posted:Maybe a dumb question, would washing them in soap water be bad? Soap is very effective against the virus. I asked my niece about hand and face cleaning, and she said soap is even better than alcohol based wipes. So I guess soap in the water is good. Before washing machines people used soft green soap in boiling water to clean white cotton, so that would certainly work.
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Mar 30, 2020 00:49
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QuarkJets posted:Why can't it just be thrown in a normal load of laundry? The virus has a lipid layer, so laundry detergent should be extremely effective. But I don't really know I didn't ask my niece that question. The procedure she described is simple enough. Probably this method is more generally valid for other nasties as well. I don't know.
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Austria will make simple cloth masks mandatory at supermarkets. Customers will get one at the entrance. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austria/austria-to-make-basic-face-masks-compulsory-in-supermarkets-idUSKBN21H16A Lotti Fuehrscheim fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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Mar 30, 2020 13:06
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I have watched Nascar on iRacing, but I must say that nothing beats real cars being crashed and trashed. Virtual damage just doesn't do it for me.
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Imagine how much it takes to get the USA into a civil war. They had a vicious one in the 19th century. Imagine China that was in civil war from that same time until after WWII, ie. for a longer time than they are at peace now. Look at the USA pushing its democratic system to the limit - closing down government once and a while. Look for what happened when countries without democratic tradition broke into revolution under the banner of democratisation recently at the 'Arab Spring'. Look how Russia transformed into an oligarchy after a period of experimental democracy. Just saying that regime change is no trivial matter, and just trying to wish the rule of the Chinese Communist Party away with hate is probably not the best way.
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Mar 30, 2020 22:38
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Spazzle posted:The problem is the normal human temp is below 98.6, not above. Since I was a kid, which was the last time my temperature was measured, anything between 36º and 38º Celsius was regarded normal. Human body temperature can vary considerably during the day, depending on activity, consumption, mood. Anyway, if you have a real fever, you will know it without thermometer as well.
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Mar 31, 2020 02:50
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The rite of accounting. Many people today are obsessed with numbers, and geographical spread. Yet their individual fate is in Gods hand (or undisclosed future, for those who dislike the metaphor). The theoretical chance can be 0.1% or 20%, it hits you or it doesn't, and when it hits the chance was irrelevant. I find myself hoping that at least some foreign numbers are worse than our local situation, which is kind of xenophobic, isn't it? In Groningen the situation is much better than in the South and West of the Netherlands, hospitals here are treating patients from elsewhere, for now. The Netherlands as a whole are not doing so well compared to the direct neighbours, yet political support for the Prime Minister is boosted. I guess people are praying that their country made the right choices that way.
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Mar 31, 2020 16:43
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Busy Bee posted:It's pretty clear that the US Government is starting to realize that they completely hosed up their response and they are trying to shift blame towards China. No, that is not just the US government, that is an awful lot of their faithful citizens, out of their own hate.
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Apr 1, 2020 20:02
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Grape posted:The Black Death may have killed up to 60% of Europe, yet even that collection of crappy sub-third world feudal states survived. Actually Europe was in full Renaissance during that time, proper cities had sprawled in many places, literacy had exploded, but the Plague put all that back for a while.
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Grape posted:You might want to look up the dates of the Renaissance and the Black Death friendo. Practically everything that one would attribute to the 'Italian Renaissance' started to turn up from the late 12th century: broad literacy with written administration, urbanisation, church reform, universities. Today it is very common in history to regard this as something that came in waves. The counterpoint is that many Mediaeval social constructs lingered on into the 18th century. One also recognizes the Carolingian Renaissance and the Ottonian Renaissance. History is not Trivial Pursuit.
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Apr 1, 2020 22:32
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funmanguy posted:A filling fell out and my mouth is in a whole bunch of pain. I am worried about finding a dentist because gently caress if you can have a cavity filled with a mask on. Here in NL dentists are still treating emergency cases. I guess they use protective clothing themselves. After the start of the quarantine her, I still had a six month old appointment to extract a molar preventively. The assistant let me know me that the treatment would proceed if I wanted, but I declined. Wasn't too keen on that extraction anyway.
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Here in Groningen there are 45 people in ICU, 44 of which are overweight, most of them male. Fat men have more belly fat (fat women more on their buttocks), and COVID19 loves belly fat, it is where the inflammation binds, according to the local head of the ICU.
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