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im sure that tarkin had the baby einsteins skip media literacy lessons so how could qwi xux possibly know that it wasn't just a cool name???
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SlothfulCobra posted:Other than Tarkin's weird child genius torture theory, the Omwati's main distinctive feature is having some kind of feather-hair, which was inspired by this lady: So, Wedge dated a women with feathers for hair. Unless she, ahem, "shaves", I think we've got evidence it's not just Corran Horn who's into the strange, but Corellians in general.
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Jun 21, 2021 19:57
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that is, like, a 3/10 for star wars weird.
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Jun 21, 2021 20:01
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Gavin spent several years with a Bothan, whose exact look varied quite a bit over the old EU.
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W.T. Fits posted:You're assuming that the Empire told her what they were actually planning on calling these things and not just giving her a fake name like, "Asteroid Mining Station 001" or something bland and generic to keep her from realizing what she was really working on. I'm pretty sure there's a scene in one of the X-Wing books where Rogue Squadron is undercover on Imperial Coruscant and watches a presentation of the Emperor's death that calls the Death Star some variation of "Imperial Planetary Ore Extractor"
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Jun 21, 2021 22:34
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get this: Qwi Sucks
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Hazo posted:I think it was so she couldn't recreate the Sun Crusher which Kyp had stolen. This was also during Kyp's angsty galactic rampage and just before this he'd gone to Endor to scoop up Vader's armor and wear it, causing Qwi to think Vader had somehow come back to life to attack her. Yeah, Qwi is insanely naïve and oblivious to the world outside her lab. That whole conversation with Han is the first time Qwi is introduced, along with her not recognizing that Han was tortured, thinking that Daala wasn't keeping information from her, and basically ends with her saying "I create concepts, if they're abused it's not my fault". It takes her a bit of time to finally realize "Uh, there really isn't a valid reason for a weapon like the Sun Crusher, and also yeah there's some bad poo poo happening here..." Polaron posted:I'm pretty sure there's a scene in one of the X-Wing books where Rogue Squadron is undercover on Imperial Coruscant and watches a presentation of the Emperor's death that calls the Death Star some variation of "Imperial Planetary Ore Extractor" Yeah, when they go to the Imperial Museum and see the history of the war up to that point from the Imperial propaganda point of view. Endor is presented as an outnumbered and outgunned Imperial fleet going to stop the Rebels, who had stolen the plans for the "Imperial Planetary Ore Extractor" and intended to use it on inhabited planets. There's also a taxidermy Ewok made to look cuter and less threatening than the real ones.
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Qwi Xux should've known better, but her naivety is also the result of a lot of calculated torture and abuse and a strategic bubble where she'd be unable to ever know what was going on in the rest of the galaxy, just that the Empire wasn't showing her pictures of her home city getting massacred because of her failures like they did with her schoolmates, so I'd give her a bit of a pass. And the rest of EU and even the movies and especially Disney's canon brings up all these other people who came up with and workshopped the concepts some of which before Qwi Xux was even born, because other writers had their own ideas they wanted to do about where superweapons came from that didn't involve torturing child geniuses until they become superweapon scientists, but that sorta vindicates her assertion that it's not all her fault a little. MadDogMike posted:So, Wedge dated a women with feathers for hair. Unless she, ahem, "shaves", I think we've got evidence it's not just Corran Horn who's into the strange, but Corellians in general. It seems pretty natural for a setting with lots of different species with similar social expectations about romance* to end up with people having relations with different species. It's even less weird the more basically human they are. The Star Wars EU just has an extra added level of ambiguity because a lot of species get used in stories without necessarily having an official image to go off of, and when an official image does get made, odds are it won't match what was in other authors' heads. Unless you're trying to say something weird about pubic hair, which canonically, Wedge never even got to that point, but presumably it'd just be down down there. I don't see the issue. *Which actually brings up even more questions about the otter who hosed Corran Horn, since Selonian social structure is supposed to be eusocial like bees with an individual fertile female being at the center of any den's structure and then bonding with one or more males and infertile females not even in the loop as opposed to standard human pair-bonding, so I dunno how much they'd share human romance tropes or how much they might just absorb from proximity or what. But also since Selonians are like the second most common sentient species on Corellia, why wasn't potential allergic reactions covered in Corellian sex-ed? Honestly, most of the stuff about Selonians doesn't seem well-written anyways, but that's what's there.
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what b-list actor would voice-act the selonian if x-wing was adapted as a TV show
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Jazerus posted:what b-list actor would voice-act the selonian if x-wing was adapted as a TV show Gilbert Gottfried.
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Jun 22, 2021 02:48
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Corran Horn would be voiced by Michael A. Stackpole because he's not even pretending it isn't his self-insert
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mike stackpole wants to gently caress a bird, and other science facts
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I kinda want to post in defense of the Yuuzhan Vong, but I also don't want to deal with the inevitable blowback of "THEY'RE NOT THE EMPIRE SO THEY'RE DUMB".
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Fivemarks posted:I kinda want to post in defense of the Yuuzhan Vong, but I also don't want to deal with the inevitable blowback of "THEY'RE NOT THE EMPIRE SO THEY'RE DUMB". they're dumb, but not because they aren't the empire. they're dumb because salvatore came up with the seeds for a really diverse antagonist culture, wherein one component of that culture was a militarized pain cult, and all of the subsequent authors decided that every vong loves pain foreverially
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Also some authors used them as an excuse to go "maybe the empire wasn't so bad and we should make friends with them."
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Jazerus posted:they're dumb, but not because they aren't the empire. they're dumb because salvatore came up with the seeds for a really diverse antagonist culture, wherein one component of that culture was a militarized pain cult, and all of the subsequent authors decided that every vong loves pain foreverially Defiance Industries posted:Also some authors used them as an excuse to go "maybe the empire wasn't so bad and we should make friends with them." Yeah those parts are absolutely bad.
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I think you can have interesting stories without the Empire or an aesthetic somehow evocative of the Empire, I just don't wanna read stories about noseless S&M juggalos. I kinda wanna read a story about soul-stealing dinosaurs, but then again everyone says that story was garbage, so... I don't necessarily hate the idea of imperial remnants drifting after years of the same old power-mad warlord who's got a new plan to retake the galaxy and maybe finding new purpose that might not be a bad. I just don't think you should write stories about how imperial warmongering is actually a good thing that you should be thankful for, and definitely don't take one of the imperial warlords who did the whole cartoon villain routine and elect her president.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I just don't think you should write stories about how imperial warmongering is actually a good thing that you should be thankful for, and definitely don't take one of the imperial warlords who did the whole cartoon villain routine and elect her president. this is one of the least unrealistic things about the terrible late EU
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Defiance Industries posted:Corran Horn would be voiced by Michael A. Stackpole because he's not even pretending it isn't his self-insert  
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More like corran horny
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SlothfulCobra posted:stories about noseless S&M juggalos Rename Scifi-Wifi to this
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A Corran Horn should be inserted into the cannon as a name for a lightsaber themed adult toy. It just sounds right.
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Jun 24, 2021 06:16
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our boy corn horn is back https://twitter.com/DelReyStarWars/status/1408062545651322880
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Jazerus posted:our boy corn horn is back Before some of you start preordering or getting excited, the tale of the otter loving was the second book of the X-wing series, Wedge’s Gamble.
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Jazerus posted:our boy corn horn is back It doesn't really seem like Disney Star Wars has been interested in continuing the long tradition of terrible Star Wars supplementary fiction, so I guess we're stuck re-living the EU.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:It doesn't really seem like Disney Star Wars has been interested in continuing the long tradition of terrible Star Wars supplementary fiction, so I guess we're stuck re-living the EU. I dunno, I hear the High Republic is P bad.
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I wouldn't call it awful, but it's not very interesting either. It's pretty boring. Maybe that's worse than being bad. I blame a lot on the fact that if you try to stay vigilant on your licensed works to make sure that they won't do something stupid, you'll stop weird things from happening, but I think there's also an issue with starting a big new project without much of an idea of what you're doing or why you're doing it, maybe nobody really takes control and sparks something off. Which I can't really be sure about, but it kinda feels like one of those.
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fartknocker posted:Gavin spent several years with a Bothan, whose exact look varied quite a bit over the old EU. case in point, speaking of ol' gavin
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Horizon Burning posted:case in point, speaking of ol' gavin That only shows some of the later art of Bothans, which changed a fair bit over the years, as did how they were described in some of the novels.
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SlothfulCobra posted:So she's an Omwati. Omwat was a planet that had made contact with the Republic long ago, but at some point stopped interacting with the galactic community and forgotten about for whatever reason. When the planet was rediscovered, Grand Moff Tarkin took control of it and kept it a secret from most of the galaxy while he did his work with it. He developed this weird theory that Omwati are capable of great brilliance, but only if cultivated for it from a young age, and as part of that, he took ten ten-year-old Omwati children, each from a different city and ran them through a special academic system where if any of them failed, their entire city would be subject to orbital bombardment as they watched, and then they would be executed. Now, call me nuts, but if you have your own hidden planet all to yourself where you can raise super-geniuses...could it, ah, possibly be not more effective to, I dunno, not destroy that planet and all life on it so you can get one person to design things that keep getting blown up? Say, I dunno, some sort of forced conscription into training the populace, or selection methods to weed out the truly smart and just kinda, I dunno, keep that supply coming rather than glassing the entire planet? No? We can't do that? We can't keep an entire genius producing population in reserve for something that...? Ok. Alright. Fire.
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fartknocker posted:That only shows some of the later art of Bothans, which changed a fair bit over the years, as did how they were described in some of the novels. Boy I sure hate most of these designs
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Big Beef City posted:No? We can't do that? We can't keep an entire genius producing population in reserve for something that...? Ok. Alright. Fire. Tarkin's theory was proven wrong by the amount of failures that were created being essentially the same as if he just randomly abducted children and threatened to glass their homes from anyone. He got one designer out of the entire project.
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What a scamp that guy!
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Tarkin also didn't want a bunch of pretty good scientists nebulously loyal to the Empire for their wellbeing (contingent on the empire providing wellbeing that less oppressive options couldn't match), he wanted a few superscientists that he could brainwash and hole up in some rear end end of the galaxy where nobody could ever find them working on his projects with no obligations to some wider population. Like I get it, fascism has a lot of efficiency issues, and oppressing people to get what you want can cause way more problems than it solves, but fascists will still be fascists and try to find new ways around all those problems instead of trying to be nice.
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I'm just saying Tarkin comes off looking as stupid as he is cruel and wasteful (a lot of both).
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I mean, "Tarkin wastefully puts all his eggs in one basket with a doctrine of a single overwhelming force based on coerced loyalty through fear that inevitably backfires catastrophically" is a tale as old as 1977
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putting blue bird-children into pods and blowing up their cities when they fail an algebra test is called the "tarkin doctrine"
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weird thing to be remembered for imo but we can't choose how others see us i suppose
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Tarkin loved doing incredibly dumb wasteful things, like relocating his secret weapons project into the heart of a grouping of black holes with a defense force led by a side piece. Tarkin was not a smart man.
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