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The problem is simple, too many jedi in the prequels. It's hard to be a band of itinerant monk-knights when you've got a sweet highrise in the capital of the galaxy.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 04:18 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 06:41 |
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The takeaway to that is that he's never met a jedi, nor was there existence common knowledge. Not what you'd expect when they were spacecops for a thousand years up until 20 years ago. When han would have been like 10-15.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 16:36 |
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skasion posted:They were known to exist, but as figures of myth and propaganda. They’re cops in the sense that they work for the government, but there’s not a Jedi on every street corner, they’re doing special secret missions for the chancellors. They’re closer to like James Bond than Chief Wiggum. They’re remote from the common people, cloistered in their temple. Nobody outside the charmed circle of our protagonists really knows what’s up with them. Think of baby Anakin on Tatooine dreaming that someday a Jedi would come to end slavery, or the narrator of Clone Wars tooting the horn of the Jedi as defenders of the republic leading us in war against the nasty separatists (the “propaganda newsreel” style of the Clone Wars recaps is not accidental). The whole point of Palpatine’s plan against them is to take advantage of that remoteness by giving them a new identity as the leaders of a giant war raging across the galaxy. The Jedi become generals and then, when they attack him, it’s a clear cut case of attempted coup by a small military elite. If the military elite also claimed to be wizards, isn’t it likely enough that that was propaganda too, and they were really just using smoke and mirrors? Basically everyone in the prequels can identify a jedi on sight. Even some lizardman on a rock in the middle of nowhere knows that jedi have mind powers, how it looks when they use them, and that he's got an special resistance to it. They were just common knowledge.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 18:20 |
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skasion posted:No, Watto mocks Qui-gon for acting like “some kind of Jedi” and for using “mind tricks”. If he actually realized he was a Jedi, this joke wouldn’t make sense: the point is that it’s absurd for some fuckhead space bum on Tatooine to be acting like Jedi are supposed to act, because it’s implausible for him to really be one. I think the best guide to what the average guy thinks about jedi in the prequels is Anakin: Jedi carry laser swords, they do good deeds, and they can’t be killed. That is, they’re fairy tale figures. They’re not exactly firmly grounded in the realm of reason and knowledge. Implausible for one to be there, yes, but he still knows how they act, and how being a troidarian relates to that, he's familiar with them, (especially) even though he's got almost no chance of interacting with one. Also, I don't think a starry-eyed slave boy is a good representation for the average guy. The parts about the OT are the disconnect in question, the Jedi are way too prevalent in society in the prequels for that level of unfamiliarity to be reasonable.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 19:25 |
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Force abilities also grow substantially throughout the ot. Iirc the only force powers seen in anh are noise making, suggestion, and some extrasensory perception. There's no force push/pull until empire, lightning until jedi.
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2021 23:46 |
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reignofevil posted:It depends I guess on how you interpret Vader choking a dude. EVIL! Somehow I forgot about that while writing, but I think the core point still stands.
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2021 23:53 |
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Cornwind Evil posted:Speaking of starship nonsense Didn't you see RoS? It was a one-in-a-million shot, would never work again.
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2021 03:08 |
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Cornwind Evil posted:Sure. Why not? It was a dumb thing for TLJ to do since now the big scary capital ships that define space combat in star wars are defenseless against anything with a hyperdrive, which can't be that expensive if every fighter in the rebel fleet has one.
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2021 15:50 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 06:41 |
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Cornwind Evil posted:What annoys me is there's an easy fix. Very little probing is needed here, none at all, some might say, which is the problem. Plot holes happen, they're generally not the largest setpiece in the movie.
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2021 06:42 |