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galagazombie posted:drat that’s amazing for 78. Obviously I’m glad they stayed physical since ESB and RotJ look so good even today because of it, but it is pretty mind blowing they could get something that good looking so early. The key would be seeing it in motion, which probably would not have looked good.
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I expect the quality would have landed somewhere around maybe slightly improved from 1984's The Last Starfighter, the first major motion picture to use extensive CG effects for "real world" models. https://youtu.be/BYoWNwhu0DM Would have aged much worse than model work, it was a good call sticking with practical for the time.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The key would be seeing it in motion, which probably would not have looked good. (It does not look good, and all they're doing is flying in formation)
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Worth noting that model work also involved using computers to line up shots with digitally-controlled mechanical arms holding up the models. Star Wars was an absolute triumph of a bunch of different special effects techniques. It's pretty fascinating to hear about. https://www.cnet.com/news/john-dykstra-star-wars-anniversary-industrial-light-and-magic-special-effects/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85MK2GDkoxo It makes sense that when CGI started to look good and Star Wars was returning, it'd be at the forefront of making use of this new technology, since it's not like they'd hold a 16-bit minicomputer as some kind of sacred traditional format.
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 The original trilogy was just so real yknow it wasn't just people standing in a big green room not knowing what was going to be added later
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I’ll defend Matte paintings till the day I die and unironically think we’ve suffered from their loss.
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You're not exactly wrong, but it's just so much easier to "paint" digitally and insert the background without planning out the whole masking effect than it is to paint with physical media just right on a pane of glass, and in theory it gives editors and directors more freedom to reframe shots however they choose, but I don't know how many actually make use of that freedom. Wikipedia notes that there are issues with digital matte paintings where they often end up too realistic, which is a problem across the board with CGI; if effects can produce very photorealistic results, a lot of people just go with photorealism instead of planning out a real aesthetic, . Brett Northcutt - lead digital matte artist posted:Animated background matte painting of the planet Mustafar. To add life to the 25k cyclorama I mesh warped cloud layers, added smoke, and integrated lava fountain elements shot by Ron Fricke (Baraka) of Mount Etna. I remember needing to break the cyclorama into 4 pieces in After Effects just so it would render and I still ran out of ram!  Brett Northcutt posted:Digital Matte Painting from Star Wars Episode 2 of Geonosis. I built this painting in a few old school 2 1/2D layers to create a multi plane effect (no 3D). I also created overcast versions of each layer so I could fake some moving cloud shadows. It helped to bring some life to an otherwise 2D matte painting. I think one of the most confusing things about digital tools and techniques is that everything blurs together and even when there's physical techniques being used, it's still implemented digitally. It's a whole mess.  Rick Rische posted:I built, painted and photographed this miniature set to use in one of my digital matte paintings for "The Phantom Menace". ILM  
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SlothfulCobra posted:Wikipedia notes that there are issues with digital matte paintings where they often end up too realistic, which is a problem across the board with CGI; if effects can produce very photorealistic results, a lot of people just go with photorealism instead of planning out a real aesthetic, . I think rather than photorealism being a crutch for movies without an aesthetic, it's probably more accurate to say that a movie without an aesthetic only has photorealism to fall back on. The goal of any CGI shot is to make everything look like it belongs together, and most of the time that means making it match the movie's real photography. If you have a really strong aesthetic, then it's easier to tie everything together because you're designing the shots from the beginning to look a certain way. I've worked on a number of movies where we'll get bluescreen photography that was filmed with a static camera at some backlot on a cloudy afternoon, and then the director gets mad because matching their flat, boring photography results in flat, boring VFX shots. Sometimes they accept that this is just the way the movie looks, but sometimes they try to fight against their own work and ruin the sequence by trying to invent an aesthetic for it after the fact. The weird thing about Star Wars is that realism is the aesthetic. Despite all the wild imagery, it's designed as a documentary. Like THX-1138, the movie is stylized as a piece of media from another society, not just about one. Even the opening crawl exists because the movie was supposed to be an excerpt from some alien historical/religious document called The Journal of the Whills. And Lucas was still aiming for realism, even at the series' most ludicrous. When ILM was building the miniature set for Grievous and Obi-Wan's chase through Utapau, he kept asking them what all the buildings were, and if there were any restaurants etc. because he wanted to make sure it was being made as if it was taking place in a real society.
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Robot Style posted:I think rather than photorealism being a crutch for movies without an aesthetic, it's probably more accurate to say that a movie without an aesthetic only has photorealism to fall back on. The goal of any CGI shot is to make everything look like it belongs together, and most of the time that means making it match the movie's real photography. If you have a really strong aesthetic, then it's easier to tie everything together because you're designing the shots from the beginning to look a certain way. I've worked on a number of movies where we'll get bluescreen photography that was filmed with a static camera at some backlot on a cloudy afternoon, and then the director gets mad because matching their flat, boring photography results in flat, boring VFX shots. Sometimes they accept that this is just the way the movie looks, but sometimes they try to fight against their own work and ruin the sequence by trying to invent an aesthetic for it after the fact. I saw a thing on YouTube (I think it was an Adam Savage thing) about the full sized x-wing mockup/model they hung in the Smithsonian. The curator was saying how they were having trouble with whether some of the wear marks were actual hangar rash, or painted on/simulated hangar rash. And they had to get *really close* to tell for sure. Fake edit - found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZojRDHNggI (They start talking about the subject around 3:40)
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New Star Wars game just announced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cJpiOPKH14 Like the cameo at the very end by the Baron Harkonnen
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Megillah Gorilla posted:New Star Wars game just announced. With a dose of Ronan from Guardians of the Galaxy
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it's by quantic dream, so no hype for that whatsoever
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those are the guys who make the high production value telltale games right? not sure starwar is the right genre for a dialog chooser
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Star Wars. Famously unfit for dialogue driven games.
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Cease to Hope posted:it's by quantic dream, so no hype for that whatsoever Not Star Wars, but 100% hype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IEAomO1Fac Been waiting loving years for this.
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Zesty posted:Star Wars. Famously unfit for dialogue driven games. if ur talking about kotor that had the usual "press x to be nice press y to be mean" but at the end of the day it was wotc's then-current ttrpg engine under the hood and more time was spent throwing grenades and flying speeders than picking whether u'd be snarky or nice to the jawa
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Zesty posted:Star Wars. Famously unfit for dialogue driven games. it's really more that quantic dream's games are bad, and david cage is a huge creep
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Owlbear Camus posted:if ur talking about kotor that had the usual "press x to be nice press y to be mean" but at the end of the day it was wotc's then-current ttrpg engine under the hood and more time was spent throwing grenades and flying speeders than picking whether u'd be snarky or nice to the jawa Hey! I resent that accusation! Sometimes you could also “press B to say I’d rather not get involved”.
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Huh. I was always sure they used a wax head of Mark Hamill for that scene. It looked so fake... https://i.imgur.com/AdqbKih.png Suddenly I'm not so sure.
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I always thought it was super imposed on there. It always looked so odd cause his head wasn't where it should be in the helmet at all
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CSvPsFknbQg/quote:Dissatisfied with the look of my molded prop head, we reshot this scene by putting my real head into the helmet from under the stage. Hardest part was not blinking or shedding a tear as they wafted smoke across my face.
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Dave Syndrome posted:Huh. I was always sure they used a wax head of Mark Hamill for that scene. It looked so fake... So wait, they decapitated Mark Hamill for this scene? That is some dedication to the art, gotta respect that.
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I said come in! posted:So wait, they decapitated Mark Hamill for this scene? That is some decapitation to the art, gotta respect that.
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STOP Banana time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EsDzjyy65I
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:STOP YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I had forgotten so this is a special Christmas treat gonna click SO HARD.
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