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the good barometer for people who are mad about TLJ for all the worst reasons is if they argue it’s worse than all the prequel films
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Agreed, it is way worse than all the prequel films.
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Kill All Cops posted:i like rogue one Rogue One should've leaned into the Space Mujahideen angle. Just have a rebel straight up suicide bomb an imperial patrol.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:Wait how could anybody dislike the lightspeed ramming scene, explain BeCaUsE WhY dIdN't ThEy JuSt CrAsH a MoN CaL CrUiSeR iNtO tHe DeAtH sTaR
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:the good barometer for people who are mad about TLJ for all the worst reasons is if they argue it’s worse than all the prequel films I don't like TLJ but it's not; the prequels are abominations of filmmaking. TFA and TLJ want put the old cast on screen as much as possible for the nerdbux and suffer greatly for it. Han/Luke/Leia shouldn't have been in the movies at all.
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ThingOne posted:Rogue One should've leaned into the Space Mujahideen angle. Just have a rebel straight up suicide bomb an imperial patrol. I think they wanted to do this and Disney kept reeling them back because like 99% of the movie is standard Star Wars stuff but more boring, but then every now and then there’s something weirdly dark out of nowhere like Diego Luna murdering that unarmed civilian because he could theoretically have been captured by the Empire at some point or Minigun Guy executing that wounded stormtrooper
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ItBreathes posted:I don't like TLJ but it's not; the prequels are abominations of filmmaking. TFA and TLJ want put the old cast on screen as much as possible for the nerdbux and suffer greatly for it. Han/Luke/Leia shouldn't have been in the movies at all. The Luke stuff is the most compelling part of TLJ my dude Chuck Buried Treasure posted:I think they wanted to do this and Disney kept reeling them back because like 99% of the movie is standard Star Wars stuff but more boring, but then every now and then there’s something weirdly dark out of nowhere like Diego Luna murdering that unarmed civilian because he could theoretically have been captured by the Empire at some point or Minigun Guy executing that wounded stormtrooper Am I crazy or in the early trailers did Jyn face off vs. a TIE fighter on top of the giant dish thing
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I agree 1Attack of the clones 2Empire 3TLJ (close with ROTS)
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zoux posted:Am I crazy or in the early trailers did Jyn face off vs. a TIE fighter on top of the giant dish thing Yeah I remember looking forward to that and being confused when the giant dish scene ended without any TIEs
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I'm forced to say that I fall firmly on the side of lightspeed ram bad. Yes it looks cool I won't deny it but it is incredibly obviously put in to distract from how weak the last jedi's actual plot is and it worked like a charm. Another problem I have with it is that like a lot of things in the last jedi when you re-watch the original trilogy with this new invented context it makes our likeable original cast more and more unintelligent looking for being ignorant of basic combat tactics like 'smash into them real fast' or to complain about other situations like where you can actually use the force to grab onto stuff and fly yourself through the vacuum of space if you get thrown out of your spaceship which means that when you see luke almost dying of hypothermia on hoth it is hard to even believe we're supposed to be scared for him. Making the older movies look dumb is a bad idea since the last jedi wasn't so fantastically wonderfully better and smarter that I actually kinda mind them loving up the good star wars! Edit- I have more to say at the end of empire strikes back luke should be able to fly himself away from the antennae he is hanging off of on cloud city. Sure sure he is being pulled down by gravity or whatever and theoretically that's not happening to space-leia but gently caress if the principle is even sound to begin with this franchise has people pulling star destroyers into planets and throwing physical objects through space-time via desert-magic making it canon that people could just be exerting their will to fly themselves past danger was a bad precedent reignofevil fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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zoux posted:The Luke stuff is the most compelling part of TLJ my dude That's because he's the main character. Rey doesn't go to Luke to learn to Jedi, she goes to teach him how to
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If I were a huge nerd I’d also point out that I don’t think hyperspace was ever meant to be the ship actually accelerating to faster than the speed of light and that we already see a Star Destroyer drop out of hyperspace into a Rebel ship and it’s just a regular crash. Thankfully I’m not,
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Rey being an entirely backloaded character creates massive problems for the entire franchise if they hadn't wasted crucial time in The Force Awakens trying to fool audiences into believing Finn was potentially going to be our real main character and instead they had trusted the actress they had chosen and given her an actual character arc with some teeth in the movie for audiences to latch onto I think the franchise would have been on a much better footing. Also none of this is me wanting less finn the problem was that Disney decided not to commit to finn and so as the franchise went on he got more and more shoved onto the sidelines in favor of Kylo and Rey. Committing to Finn as a main character would have been an equally valid way to make this work but Disney tried to use their entire first film as an extended trailer and marketing study for what their long term goals for the franchise should be and it was absolutely disastrous.
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reignofevil posted:ignorant of basic combat tactics 
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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:I think they wanted to do this and Disney kept reeling them back because like 99% of the movie is standard Star Wars stuff but more boring, but then every now and then there’s something weirdly dark out of nowhere like Diego Luna murdering that unarmed civilian because he could theoretically have been captured by the Empire at some point or Minigun Guy executing that wounded stormtrooper Which is a shame because it would've been a perfect update to the original trilogy's stance of "actually the Vietcong are the good guys".
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I refuse to believe someone wouldn't have volunteered c3p0 for the hyper space ram duty first thing
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Actually the first cong were the bad guys too.  (Not in rl obv)
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reignofevil posted:I refuse to believe someone wouldn't have volunteered c3p0 for the hyper space ram duty first thing It’s hard and immoral to convince or order people to kill them selves
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tlj creates a powerful dialectic between a hidebound luke and an italian futurist kylo ren, and i'm excited to see how tros carries on that theme (haven't seen it yet)
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Here's my scorching rear end TLJ take: I don't think "Amazing, every word of what you just said is wrong" is a very good line.exmarx posted:tlj creates a powerful dialectic between a hidebound luke and an italian futurist kylo ren, and i'm excited to see how tros carries on that theme (haven't seen it yet) Me neether but bowing to the realities of being extremely online and the futility of avoiding spoilers I read the wiki summary and well
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List of appropriate combat tactics to use when playing Star Wars at my grandmas house Falcon Ducking Rancor Bone Worm Bitezz (Dangerous!) Jump 2 ur death Mynocs I'm Luke Skywalker and I'm here to rescue you Dirty Diner Turn off power 2 the shields
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all valid and battle tested combat tactics used by actual marines
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Pollyanna posted:I liked about 3/4 of tlj, besides: the thing is that if you understand who Rian Johnson is and what he believes, you realize that the final act wasn’t his auteur vision getting erased by corporate overlords, it was his own sincere beliefs made manifest
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Remember how Force television is a super deadly technique that killed Luke? Well in the new one... it isn't.
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zoux posted:Am I crazy or in the early trailers did Jyn face off vs. a TIE fighter on top of the giant dish thing that was never in the movie, it was only ever intended for the trailer
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:the good barometer for people who are mad about TLJ for all the worst reasons is if they argue it’s worse than all the prequel films yeah i would consider watching TLJ again but not the prequels; they're just unwatchable
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The stable geniuses strawmanning the lightspeed ram got it backwards, tactical realism isn't why people dislike the scene, tactical realism is why that scene exists in the first place. Nerds on forums probably wondered ever since the OT why someone didn't lightspeed kamikaze wasn't a thing because it makes total sense from a tactical realism pov (incidentally the same kind of person who asks why jedi don't just turn their own or the opponent's lightsaber off for tactical advantages), never realising that lightspeed ramming torpedoes suspension of disbelief entirely, because now people are wondering why no one thought about doing that before. It's the more egregious version of lightspeeding inside a shield that they did in TFA that also was dumb as gently caress. In a better movie people might have overlooked that, but then the rest of the movie was pretty terrible too McCloud fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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There hasn't been a good Star Wars movie since 1983
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I think it just made for a cool looking scene that is then easy to explain away in some novel with how these cruisers are very expensive so nobody wants to be building cruisers just to crash them later.
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McCloud posted:The stable geniuses strawmanning the lightspeed ram got it backwards, tactical realism isn't why people dislike the scene, tactical realism is why that scene exists in the first place. Nerds on forums probably wondered ever since the OT why someone didn't lightspeed kamikaze wasn't a thing because it makes total sense from a tactical realism pov (incidentally the same kind of person who asks why jedi don't just turn their own or the opponent's lightsaber off for tactical advantages), never realising that lightspeed ramming torpedoes suspension of disbelief entirely, because now people are wondering why no one thought about doing that before. Would ya say it ruined your immersion? Pulled you right out of the movie?
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zoux posted:Here's my scorching rear end TLJ take: I don't think "Amazing, every word of what you just said is wrong" is a very good line. That's the best line in the film, and quite possibly the ST
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zoux posted:Would ya say it ruined your immersion? Pulled you right out of the movie? Nah, it did make me go "well that's dumb as gently caress" though
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Roth posted:I think it just made for a cool looking scene that is then easy to explain away in some novel with how these cruisers are very expensive so nobody wants to be building cruisers just to crash them later. Or the window between hitting lightspeed and entering hyperspace is too small to be practical in a battle where the enemy isn't explicitly ignoring you.
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McCloud posted:Nah, it did make me go "well that's dumb as gently caress" though Like in the moment? lol
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zoux posted:Like in the moment? lol Nah, after the "oooh neat" bit
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My supposition is that the hyperspace ram only worked because of the hyperspace tracking in use due to technobabble. I dont care if this is not mentioned or even actively refuted in the movie, it makes sense and solves a lot of problems and I'm sticking to it. Also maybe something about the first order having their shields down because they long chase made them complacent.
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If only he had looked into the camera at the last minute and said "I'm the Juggernaut bithc" it wouldve save'd the film. Alas.
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You would have to be pretty youtube brain-damaged to think The Last Jedi was anything but Rian Johnson attempting to turn twitter discourse into a movie (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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But i guess that works for the kind of people who need youtube nerds to explain to them the extremely obvious ideologies of mass market kids movies.
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