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There's a later arc where the Jedi train local contras to destabilize a Sepratist planet
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Jan 22, 2020 06:38
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Roth posted:There's a later arc where the Jedi train local contras to destabilize a Sepratist planet Anakin trains Saw Gererra who later becomes Space Bin Laden
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Jan 22, 2020 06:39
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it was cool ti watch finn try to use a light saber
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Jan 22, 2020 06:39
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is leia a jedi with her own lightsaber that sucks
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Jan 22, 2020 08:05
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She had a bad vision so she gave it to Luke who took it with him when he abandoned everything and everyone he ever knew to go die alone on remote ocean planet, like you do
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Jan 22, 2020 13:28
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El Generico posted:the jedi were cool in concept as this vague mysterious legend about space wizards that used to exist but they're all dead except for an elderly troll doll and that one scary bad guy. everything star wars does where jedi fully exist and are on screen doing dumb force poo poo and waving light sabers around is horribly lame. the more we learn about them the worse it gets. baby yoda is a jedi tho
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Jan 22, 2020 13:35
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Doublestep posted:none of the movies truly delve into how much both the jedi/sith suck (except the prequels kinda) but a lot of the games and books gently caress with it This is like the main thrust of the Luke/Rey/Ben stuff in TLJ (which is why it's the best part of that movie)
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Jan 22, 2020 14:24
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C-Euro posted:This is like the main thrust of the Luke/Rey/Ben stuff in TLJ (which is why it's the best part of that movie) it is and a bunch of people got mad over it because it required them to think
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Jan 22, 2020 14:27
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes, OP.
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Jan 22, 2020 14:29
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Alan Smithee posted:baby yoda is a jedi tho theres no mention of the force but there is a DARKSABRE and some baby magic hands
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Jan 22, 2020 14:45
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C-Euro posted:This is like the main thrust of the Luke/Rey/Ben stuff in TLJ (which is why it's the best part of that movie) yeah it just sucks that TROS immediately goes against that and luke says how epic jedi are
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Jan 22, 2020 14:53
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Doublestep posted:yeah it just sucks that TROS immediately goes against that and luke says how epic jedi are That’s the end of TLJ you’re thinking of. You know the part where Luke goes “actually its not time for the jedi to end“
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Jan 22, 2020 14:58
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skasion posted:That’s the end of TLJ you’re thinking of. You know the part where Luke goes “actually its not time for the jedi to end“ Yeah that’s why I’m unsure about tljs position it tried some cool stuff but didn’t commit
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Jan 22, 2020 15:00
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Pollyanna posted:Yeah that’s why I’m unsure about tljs position TLJ is just parroting themes from 5/6/the prequels when it talks about how blind obedience to religious dogma is stupid, think for yourself, don’t get too attached to liberal democracy, eat the rich etc. its cool that that happened in a Disney movie but imho its cooler that that was in the original/prequel movies to begin with and loads of people never noticed until Luke Skywalker outright told them that sometimes military-religious-aristocrats are lovely
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Jan 22, 2020 15:06
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skasion posted:TLJ is just parroting themes from 5/6/the prequels when it talks about how blind obedience to religious dogma is stupid, think for yourself, don’t get too attached to liberal democracy, eat the rich etc. its cool that that happened in a Disney movie but imho its cooler that that was in the original/prequel movies to begin with and loads of people never noticed until Luke Skywalker outright told them that sometimes military-religious-aristocrats are lovely TLJ not only parroted those themes but then at the end it says “gently caress it nevermind” and does a 180 which is why it’s not my favorite TLJ coulda been so good 
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Jan 22, 2020 15:19
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Roth posted:There's a later arc where the Jedi train local contras to destabilize a Sepratist planet the book that's just Apocalypse Now with samuel l jackson instead of martin sheen was pretty good
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Jan 22, 2020 16:48
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There's also an Apocalypse Now arc in The Clone Wars.
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Jan 22, 2020 16:53
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Jedi are volcels
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Jan 22, 2020 17:04
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Jazerus posted:this is a metaphor for crafting star wars stories. overreliance on the force gives a contrived feeling to the story, divorcing the audience from the feeling that the galaxy is a real place. star wars was originally acclaimed for the dirtiness of its sets - the lived-in feeling of its universe in comparison to the sterile futurism of star trek or buck rogers. too much force ruins that. plus the prequels really fully embrace that same sterile futurism that the original trilogy avoided  if the force had well defined, concrete rules and limitations and you could have conflicts where the bad guys are taking advantage of those limitations and then the jedi have to use cleverness and ingenuity to win anyway that could be fine but you can just make up any force powers you want whenever you want
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Jan 22, 2020 18:41
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Jedi probably have really poor hygiene and don’t shower so they smell bad tbh
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Jan 22, 2020 18:58
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dudeness posted:Rat-tail wearing motherfuckers. Don't trust anyone that raises kids to wear rat-tails. loving nasty.
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Jan 22, 2020 19:57
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The worst part of star wars is every bit that happened after the first movie. Space wizards are cool OP, dunno what got your knickers in a twist.
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Jan 22, 2020 19:59
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Dont Touch ME posted:The worst part of star wars is every bit that happened after the first movie. I agree, it’s all downhill from Phantom Menace
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Jan 22, 2020 20:04
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Wraith Squadron books, solid story, good charaters, drama, loss, growth, great books ... zero loving Jedi! Starfighters of Adumar, the best EU book they did (fite me) ... ZERO loving JEDI. gently caress Jedi.
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Jan 22, 2020 20:26
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Sonderval posted:Wraith Squadron books, solid story, good charaters, drama, loss, growth, great books ... zero loving Jedi! 
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Jan 22, 2020 20:37
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All Jedi are bad, but Obi-Wan Kenobi is the Worst He lies to Luke about his dad, so he can convince him to join a Stupid Religion for Idiot Losers Who Lost. When Vader tells Luke the truth, and Luke calls out to Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan doesn't answer the Force phone. After Yoda finally confirms that yeah, Vader is the baby daddy, THEN Obi-Wan shows up and gives his bullshit "true from a certain point of view" crap, like the big liar he is. Luke says he can't kill his dad and there is still good in him and Obi-Wan is all like, "well, the emperor has won then". Was Obi-Wan born at Wrong o'clock on the 12th of Incorrect or something? So, Luke was right, doesn't kill his dad, who is redeemed and kills the emperor (at least until the sequels hosed everything up). And don't get me started on him and Yoda telling Luke not to go save his friends and some people who are bad at watching films thinking they were right to say this, thinking Luke's friends had to save him. Oh really? It is R2 who was brought to Cloud City by Luke who fixes the hyperdrive, without which they were all recaptured. Luke did the right thing by skipping getting trained by dumbass jedi. It's not like they were going to tell him the truth about Vader. Losing his hand and finding out about his dad was tough in the moment for Luke, but in the long run it helped him grow and make good decisions. Thank you for listening to my presentation.
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Jan 22, 2020 23:49
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skasion posted:TLJ is just parroting themes from 5/6/the prequels when it talks about how blind obedience to religious dogma is stupid, think for yourself, don’t get too attached to liberal democracy, eat the rich etc. its cool that that happened in a Disney movie but imho its cooler that that was in the original/prequel movies to begin with and loads of people never noticed until Luke Skywalker outright told them that sometimes military-religious-aristocrats are lovely
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Jan 22, 2020 23:51
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garycoleisgod posted:All Jedi are bad, but Reminder that Obi wan is considered the paragon Jedi and it all makes sense
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Jan 22, 2020 23:54
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Incoherence posted:The prequels kinda skirt around it but don't really do anything with it because they don't really need to: the audience already knows Anakin is going to turn evil and kill all the Jedi, and the movies don't even really bother with making him sympathetic while he does this (it handwaves it off that he's traumatized but if he'd Really Believed in the Force then he wouldn't have acted out his trauma like he did). Anakin is not supposed to be a sympathetic character in the sense that we agree with him, particularly when he starts killing innocents, but his grievances against the Jedi are legitimate. I don’t think it’s correct that we should think “this is all Anakin’s fault, why couldn’t he just do better”. Anakin is an immature, pathetic figure. He turns to evil because an evil man offers him the power to take control of his life and his future, something the Jedi never did for him and often actively tried to keep him from. Only Ben, of all the Jedi, ever accepts any blame for what happened to Anakin, and he puts it all on himself: he thinks that if he could have been as good a teacher as Yoda, he would have saved the day and Anakin would have been fine. He’s wrong. The Jedi hosed Anakin over and he spent years suffering under them before someone with an ulterior motive finally told him “you should gently caress them back.”
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Jan 23, 2020 00:06
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