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   i fuckin love the prowler. it is pointy, but not in a bad/trying-too-hard way. it's neither a jet plane in space, nor a pile of spaceship greebles—it is clearly inspired by the lines of a boat, maybe a kayak. they are treated as neither disposable space fight fodder nor as the hero ship type. theyre a fast, maneuverable two-person craft that can shoot things pretty hard, and used only when those are useful traits. might be the best fighter craft in scifi
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:The new designs ARE bad and boring, the same visually identical tie fighters as always, the x wings with only very minor engine updates. for all of lucas‘s terrible decisions, he knew exactly what he wanted to do aesthetically in each movie, and why. in the classic trilogy, jedi and leia level things are fairy tale middle ages stuff mixed with samurai. it’s mysterious and magical, but also the dark age after the fall of a great republic. it absolutely nails that. at the same time, armies and spaceships are world wars. consistently. they are mechanized meatgrinder fights where you barely acknowledge the opposing side’s humanity. it's bombastic and fuckin rad, visually in the prequels, the jedi level stuff is decadent rome. you get a nice swords-&-sandals setpiece in each: ep1 has a ben hur chariot race; ep2 has a gladiatorial arena. ep3 is the fall of the great republic into the empire, and you have the jedi trying to kill the chancellor—it’s the assassination of caesar. it's not always pulled off perfectly, but it’s always at least evident to the audience what lucas is trying to do
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the sequels tho, they dont have any coherent idea of what the historical parallel they might want to evoke. the only thing they try to look like is the original trilogy
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chitoryu12 posted:As an example of Lucas's design decisions, the ELG-3A blaster pistol used on Naboo was turned from a sketch by him into a practical prop the same day. He's one of the most godawful writers of dialogue in film history, but he'll always come up with something unique design-wise. He could have been a great designer behind the scenes if he didn't get into writing and directing. it's not just design—he can write and direct around strong themes, but his actual nuts and bolts narrative skill is fuckin absent the prequels are all about liberal institutions that morally compromise themselves into oppressive empire. the trade federation is like the dutch, or portuguese, or british mercantile fleets—that became the backbones of colonial empires. the republic senate is the roman senate—which gave rise to the empire. the clone army are cold war era draftees in our stop-the-commies wars in asia—which were really about the projection and enforcement of american imperial power. and it turns out that no matter how much they appear to be in conflict, they are all working to empower the same imperial evil the senate protests the creation of the army but allows it and later votes emergency powers to palpatine. the trade federation is working for palps and joins up into the alliance of capital interests that is the confederacy, which are under the command of sidious/palpatine. the army itself is directly answerable to palpatine, as seen by order 66 the entire trilogy has good, strong themes, but they are so poorly assembled into actual movies that it's difficult to see them sometimes
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the prequels also have a lot of really interesting things to say about how evil will exploit or destroy children, or at least how once you start to exploit or hurt children you are on the road to collapse. but lucas can't tell a fuckin story to save his life
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zoux posted:What's so good about B-wings exactly and also do they actually appear in any of the movies you gotta say it “bwing” instead of “bee wing” and suddenly it’s great
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Speleothing posted:They're radiators for dissipating heat. They've always been radiators. The props crew and the concept artists called them radiators. Them being called solar panels is a result of idiots being stupid and other idiots parroting previous idiots. theyre blinders, in case an officer is inside one on horseback
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zoux posted:So where are the radiators on all the other starfighters hmm inside the horses
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Iron Crowned posted:That's a capital ship dummy truly capital. im proper chuffed by it. here here
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what letters are yet-unwingéd
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any other alphabets get their own space ships or other space equipment are there ge’ez freighters and nagari speeders around
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according to “wookiepedia”, the d-wing is not a robot!!
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so greek letters for shuttles?? and roman letters for fighters .
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do space trucks go better here alongside the space jets, or in the space war boats thread??
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im gonna say: here, because shuttles went here and they already are kinda like trucks 
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star wars, but the war is against ignorance, the supply line logistics involve buying lots of laboratory glassware, and the battlefield is the peer review process
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when i think “defense system for long-term research vessel”, my mind immediately jumps to “mine-layer”
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Flavius Aetass posted:Dow Chemical Kissinger-Class Peacekeeper
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anyone ever notice that someone at WEG lazily traced one of these from the other: 
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Snow Cone Capone posted:TIE Mauler: gotta radiate all that heat from rolling around on treads
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some toy designer at kenner had a proof of concept for a tiny fighter to slam into the front of the millennium falcon    
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upgunned shitpost posted:can't find a picture of it anywhere, 
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El Burbo posted:between the seismic charges and these lasers, the slave 1 makes some really good sounds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ME5jhsgmB4 a fine starfight imo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1mErAxKf4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXkW-zrnqwM
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Mooey Cow posted:Hello can I post my original starfighters in this thread? those are rad. i always wished i had the patience for model building so that i couldve gotten into kitbashing to make up space nonsense
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Snow Cone Capone posted:World Devastators were several times larger than Imperial SDs and their whole point was descending to the surface and tearing up a planet that way: world devastators were the best superweapon imo
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(in addition to the Imperial SDs the Empire also had the Victory-class which was essentially just the Imperial but scaled down to the size of the Venators)
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fun factaroonie: the french gaming mag casus belli had some fun star wars content and one of them was this article featuring dark side poo poo, incl a precursor world devastator as an adventure hook   less versatile than the dark empire things, but that just means it doesnt immediately crash out yr campaign if the players decide they wanna take it over and keep it, instead of blowing it up
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I'm like 99% sure that art is actually a World Devastator from Dark Empire, though it's similar to cam kennedys style but he drew the world devastators much blockier than that; even if they were strangely shaped, those shapes were built using straight lines and smooth curves. the sides on that pic look too rough-hewn . maybe its a piece of concept art or a sketch from kennedy, found and repurposed by the rpg mag nerds
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I leafed through my copy of Dark Empire I and he did draw them fat and blocky but also longer and thinner in the middle like that piece of art, plus that force cage thing is from early on in the comic too. Sadly I don't own DE2 or Empire's End to get more views of the Devastators he didnt draw empires end. i forget who did, but whoëver it was, couldnt manage his style if they wanted to. i remember the coloring trying to match kennedys work from DE and DE2, and maaaaybe some of the page layout/panel composition?? but i might just be confounding memories of actual dark empire w empires end not a whole lot of devastators in either. i think they show up briefly in one or the other, tho
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SlothfulCobra posted:I remember being with my group of friends one night and we were all trying to do the tie fighter scream out in the parking lot. None of us could do it right because it turns out that's an elephant. what sorta parking lot shop, office, etc??
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it was designed and built on planet ssileboat, and it was the mark one (MI)
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bradley starfighting vehicle
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Naboo starfighter is objectively the best ship in star wars the prequels had so many great spacecraft. the design work was ace
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Aces High posted:Having not read any of the books when Rogue Squadron first came out, I had no idea what the last mission was all about. We went from being Luke Skywalker to now being Wedge in a new craft and blowing up....world devastators they devastate 1 or more worlds, op. stop them!!!
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FACT the next movie or tv show needs a w-wing and, to a lesser extent, a z-wing, to fill alphabetical gaps
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they can do that after they have a w- and z-wing also that would be tricky because the current creative heads of star wars seem to think about the setting being aesthetically defined by.......star wars. but Lucas was always aping something older and mashing it into a star war. the personal craft for decent people fighting the good fight—the rebel fighters, the clone trooper gunships—are based on real-world vehicles, mostly from 20th century wars. (luke has his landspeeder tho, which is just a fuckin car that looks space-y). but that only applies to the rank and file—the powerful people in charge of rebellions (which ends up meaning the separatists, too) have big ships that look incomplete or slapped together. even the big blobby ships in rotj look like someone was trying to sculpt a space ship and just ran out of time. exception: trade federation big round ships from ep1 its a p specific aesthetic but it’s also consistent in all six lucas movies. the empire and other corrupt formal institutions have simple geometric shapes combined, w silhouettes dominated by straight-line edges. the TIE might have a ball right in the middle, but can be rotated to any angle and those gently caress-off big panels on the side giving really straight edges to it. (the v-wing has panels the kinda echo this.) the star destroyer has the big triangle wedge thing going for it, which the jedi triangle fighter has too again it’s specific but consistent but lucas didnt stop there and also had the weird rear end ships of the bug people in aotc, the chromed pulp rocket age look of padmé’s ships, the two separate but aesthetically similar sinkhole planet fighters that grievous and the sinkhole people used, etc. the bulbous brown look of trade federation poo poo is great it's not always GOOD choices (why does the techno union space poo poo look like a dark reflection of naboo’s??) but it at least mixes things up and gives you an immediate visual read on what each piece of space garbage in a big, visually busy space fight is fighting for. there is also a lotta shared design stuff and plain ol whimsy that is shared among various otherwise-unrelated designs but you kinda expect that BUT the people working on live-action star wars today seem to just want it to look like the starwars they grew up watching, and fail to add anything new. they just reärrange familiar pieces from the original movies, or make something look like a big space-helicopter because that would be cool. no one wants to plunder anything except the work of george lucas—but his star wars movies were always plundering other poo poo!!!!
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it's not just make-work, it's make-war
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plz keep discussion of massive troop loads to fan-fiction and wookieepedia
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