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nemesis_hub
Nov 27, 2006

The entire ST is a complete mess, not just TROS. They each have some redeeming facets but overall are stunningly bad. They have a layer of superficial modern blockbuster slickness that keeps stupid people entertained (or at least just momentarily distracted which is what big budget movies are now) but they, and not the prequels, deserve the incomprehending derision.

Nothing, not jar jar, not yipeee, not nooooo, not any of the insane anti prequel hysteria memes, is as insultingly, nihilistically stupid and bad as the Fortnite transmission, the neoliberal hillarybot centrism of TLJ, the pathetic cantina scene in TFA, etc.

If you buy into the idea that the prequels are legendarily, epically bad but that the sequels are good,ok, or even just “normal” bad, you are an idiot. The depiction of Finn is much more racist than anything about Jar Jar. The difference in the reception of the two trilogies is a scathing indictment of nerd culture.

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nemesis_hub
Nov 27, 2006

So what was the point of all the Threepio stuff? it’s just completely baffling ....what thematic, narrative or character development purpose did it serve? the movie feels a fever dream lmao

nemesis_hub
Nov 27, 2006

2house2fly posted:

Oops I forgot this was a ROS thread, I meant his red arm in TFA
C3PO the eternal coward is willing to sacrifice himself for the cause, going willingly to the same fate that was inflicted on him at the end of episode 3, and his bravery is rewarded when it turns out R2D2 really has been keeping backups of his memories this whole time. It's kind of an analogue to how the Resistance flies into certain death and is rewarded by the whole galaxy turning up to help. They could also have cut the whole loving thing and given the movie some drat breathing room

Yours is the most coherent explanation for that subplot that I’ve seen, but then it’s played off as a joke and they kind of bully him into it? It also seems to contradict the theme of TLJ about reckless sacrifice being bad, but the thread title covers that

nemesis_hub
Nov 27, 2006

Bogus Adventure posted:

There were some things that worried me, like the "it's not a Death Star, it's a Star Killer" superweapon, the mysterious return of Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber, and the title. Like, why would the Force need to Awaken?

The title of the first movie being absolutely meaningless is a good microcosm of the whole trilogy. We’re never given any reason to think that the Force was asleep in any way. Ben Solo went evil, Luke’s school blew up, but there is no indication that the Force went dormant in response to any of these events.

The only line that’s actually about this in the movie iirc is Snoke asking Kylo if he’s felt “an awakening”, referring to Rey using the Force. So the awakening is just one potential Force user becoming active? They could have added in a line or plot about how there have been no new Force users in x amount of time since y event or something. But as it is the movie is already a huge non sequitur just IN ITS TITLE.

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