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Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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SlothfulCobra posted:

The Dark Crystal was incredibly weird. Jim Henson was an amazing filmaker, but he never really managed to crack drama. He managed to create a whole weird crazy world with piles of lore, but extremely little of that lore is in the movie and the actual plot isn't really delivered well.

I wonder what Henson would've thought about CGI. He made his career in practical effects, but was pretty constantly on the cutting edge of what was possible.

For a world as wonderfully rich in lore, I found the Dark Crystal world strangely empty. You got miles and miles of forest with wildlife and whatnot and that part is great and feels alive, but it never feels like a world with more sentient beings in it than the handful of characters we see. The Skeksis are evil and that obviously sucks for that one Fraggle village they keep raiding, but it only ever seems to be about the Skeksis and the Fraggles and then there are about a dozen other characters on the planet and that's it.

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Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Robot Style posted:

Yeah, according to placemat lore they're Xyston class Star Destroyers that are 1.5x the size of Imperial Star Destroyers.

They're clearly supposed to be Imperial class with superlasers, but since Rise of Skywalker actually has people running round on them and generally getting much closer, the ships probably didn't read as big as they wanted them to, so they just scaled the models up to be more imposing, and to allow the fleet to cover a larger area without actually rendering more ships.

I love that Bigger Stardestroyer poo poo in ROS because it's so useless. Like, nobody except hardcore nerds will be able to tell those are bigger STDs because you'd need to show them in relation to old STDs or possibly other things the audience knows the size of.

Stardestroyers are already Huge, that is their main feature. Return of the Jedi pulled an Independence Day Ufo Reveal to show off that the Executor is even huger. And Rise of Skywalker... makes a note somewhere in complementary flyers that these are twice as huge as the other huge thing.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Cease to Hope posted:

i genuinely do not remember this part of ROS

Aren't the FO also taking children during the raids on Babu Frick Planet?


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

nitpick, that was Empire Strikes Back where they did the Executor reveal

:doh: right thanks. Makes sense too, since that is the one without a Death Star so they get to show off a cool big ship instead.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Up Circle posted:

I think all of the 20 minute scene where they meet Han and then out of nowhere bad guys capture them, but oh wait theres a goo monster loose on the ship, then they fight the goo monster, then the first order shows up could be cut and the movie would lose nothing.

The Raid dudes were very thankful they got those tiny roles to promote their martial arts, god bless them.

To think that we could have had the Raid dudes having a fight in Star Wars, though... Like... Mad Dog vs. Emo Vader...

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Hey these aren't D6s!!

Those are D6s *swipes left*

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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More like General Sux At Star War.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Dirty Edition, surely.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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SlothfulCobra posted:

These are exact opposite concepts.

You still have to be chosen by the Force or whatever, Space Janitor Bob can't do poo poo without midichlorians in his blood. In that sense it can be like the MCU, people still have to be special to matter.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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indigi posted:

in 123 they present the dogmatic Jedi version of The Force, they only accept people with a certain midichlorian count or whatever. but since another big point of the trilogy is that the Jedi are stupid and exceedingly bad at their job that doesn’t necessarily mean only high midichlorian people can use or become stronger in the force

There seems to be a correlation between midichlorian count and power, at least judging by the way the Jedi go O__O at Anakin's count that is higher even than Yoda's. Of course, that's all part of establishing that the Jedi are dumb, so 123 absolutely are not pro institutional Force users. Many characters achieve a lot without even using the Force, most notably Jar Jar.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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For being such a clumsy guy, his surviving the battle against the droids at the end of TPM is nothing short of a miracle. And all without using the Force.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Cease to Hope posted:

does this make mr bean the greatest jedi that has ever lived

Mr Bean could very likely defeat most of the prequel Jedi, yeah.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Robot Style posted:

The Force is basically plot armor, and thanks to the story's origins as a Hidden Fortress riff that made Lucas decide to follow the droids as POV characters, it favors low status characters. Peasants and slaves like Anakin, Jar Jar, and R2 get the most protection in Episode I, and Amidala's entire bodyguard system is designed around disguising herself as an invincible low status character. She even clues in later on when she realizes the only way to win the battle at the end of the movie is to make herself lower than the Gungans, who get their asses kicked immediately after becoming a high status army.

Anakin only starts to get into trouble once he starts being concerned about his own status, and Palpatine's entire M.O. is to become the highest status person in the galaxy. Even in the OT, Farmboy Luke is invulnerable, while status-climber wannabe Jedi Luke gets his hand chopped off. Yoda and Obi-Wan are able to hide out safely by abandoning their status, Leia is only able to defeat Jabba once she's enslaved to him, and the Ewoks are able to defeat the Empire's best troops thanks to their low status.

Also, smarter-than-Jedi schlub Dexter Jettster and lowly dealer Elan Sleazebaggano surviving his encounter with Obi Wan as opposed to the good Doctor Evazan in A New Hope.

I like this

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Guy A. Person posted:

I'm pretty sure that was a separate thought to the Sleazebaggano thing, and GD was just saying that Dexter was smart

Yeah this, just terrible grammar on my part. Though the thread has come up with some nice justifications to cover my shame.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Just wanted to ask if anyone wanted to execute any orders,on this here page?

No?

Well, carry on then.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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All the talk about unmotivated actors in the PT is really funny if you follow it while looking at the screenshot from that one interview with the ST cast where they all look pissed off or sad.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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One of the characters from Rogue One is coming back in a prequel series, just saying.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

A heavy implication from Rogue One given they use the same crystals to finish the Death Star superlaser as they do to make lightsabers is that the original Death Star is already basically a giant planet-piercing lightsaber.

If they had fleshed that out more, it could have been a nice thematic link to the PT. The basis for the weapon the Jedi have come to rely on most becoming the foundation for a fascist weapon of terror, and so on.

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Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

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Cease to Hope posted:

Seems thin, like trying to draw thematic resonance out of the fact that everyone uses laser guns.

They don't make a big deal out of the thing that powers the laser guns.

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