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Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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so what's the other half hour

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Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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i like TLJ but it would've benefited from communicating its themes in ways other than having characters explain those themes to each other

the casino bit is some of the worst of this

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Zoran posted:

then ended his film asserting that Star Wars is going to be about plucky rebels against the galaxy-spanning evil empire, now and forever

i don't really recall this

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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i read that as that they're going to fight no matter what despite this defeat today, but sure, i get where you're coming from

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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zoux posted:

Hold up, they cast two black people in the same Star Wars movie?

don't worry, she has fewer lines than jj abrams's actor friend

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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lando is a deadbeat dad and poe is a drug dealer, TROS rules

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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cams posted:

uh oh you seem to have brought your own preconceived notions about gender roles into the movie watching because poe is very clearly, from the beginning, shown to be foolish and headstrong!

he's framed as the sympathetic protagonist every step of the way. it's trying to make a statement by using your natural sympathy for the protagonist in a movie as a stand-in for bias; i'm not sure how well i think that works

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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cams posted:

...i genuinely do not know how you watch the first 20 minutes of the movie and come away with this read of it

pretty much every choice he makes from minute one is wrong and leads to getting people killed for no reason

i actually do know it is because people are pre-disposed to thinking the charismatic attractive male lead is the hero and you should be on his side

i am not saying the things he does are good decisions or that he's right, just that he's framed as the sympathetic protagonist of the movie, so it's reasonable for people to sympathize with his actions and motives.

TLJ treats this bias in favor of the protagonist as foolish to get the viewer to re-examine their other biases - sexism being the obvious one - and i dunno how i feel about how successful it is in doing that.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
the forum where people post about insurance in case they have to kill someone is mad at this guy again lol

chitoryu12 posted:

If you go into a movie expecting it to be formulaic and it subverts your expectations by playing on tropes and your own biases in entertainment, you can take it as a learning experience or you can get mad and blame the movie for not being as simple as you wanted it to be.

trying to do a thing isn't the same as actually doing that thing, though

i'm not mad at TLJ, it's not the worst movie ever. i just think this part of the movie doesn't work super well, especially with some of the messages later about how you should be skeptical of authority

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Saint Drogo posted:

these judgements would be easier if we had basic context for how the resistance operates, how they got into that dumb situation, who tf Holdo is and the relationships between these characters

yeah this comes back to TLJ's worst flaw (which is 100 times worse in TROS): it is just overstuffed with poo poo going on. there's no time to establish a normal for poe to deviate from

CainFortea posted:

So, does TROS just totally poo poo all over the change Poe had after this "teachable moment and subverted expectation"? I'm going to assume yes given the context of everything else i've heard about this movie.

oh yeah he is just han solo in TROS, any of his previous characterization beyond being friends with finn might as well have never happened

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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chitoryu12 posted:

The only real solution to this argument is "You're right, Poe should be brigged." Arguments about popularity are for disputes over decisions between relative equals, not for opsec in a tense environment where the person in charge has to make and execute a plan in an extremely limited amount of time. Telling Poe anything is about as risky as not telling him, because he's enough of a wild card with enough ego that he could do just about anything depending on whether he thinks you're right or wrong. The only real mistake Holdo made was allowing him any kind of freedom to do anything after he acted in such an insubordinate manner, though you could argue that was her acknowledgement of his "popularity". Perhaps she agreed with you and chose to avoid openly punishing him out of fear of mutiny.

And again, nobody else really had a problem working with her! Her evacuation almost went off perfectly fine because everyone else was given their orders and went "Yes ma'am" and got it ready. It only nearly failed because of one guy working actively against his commander.

this seems to run up uncomfortably against the theme that you should mistrust people in power, elsewhere in the film, though

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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2house2fly posted:

That and "you should trust people in power" is an uncomfortable theme in and of itself

and a weird loving one for a star war in particular

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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chitoryu12 posted:

Do you mean Canto Bight? That's about how you shouldn't trust the rich, or anyone who's only after money and power at the expense of all else. There's nothing wrong with an organization having a hierarchy and chain of command to keep things running smoothly.

the prequels have exactly one coherent moral and they aren't subtle about it

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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chitoryu12 posted:

You specifically said "elsewhere in the film."

i'll be more overt then. i don't think the message is strictly "don't trust the rich" there, but "don't trust power." it isn't just that the people on casinoworld got rich from selling to both sides, it's that both sides are buying from the same place, and that this is a secret they're keeping from everyone

Flavius Aetass posted:

yeah, introducing new characters all over the place where an OT character would work much better seriously hurt the ST

i get that this is a sarcastic shitpost but by TROS there are like a dozen "main" characters and it's just too much

even TLJ feels the need to stop every so often and check in on what's chewbacca's doing

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Flavius Aetass posted:

i wasn't being sarcastic. throughout the ST i pretty much only cared about the OT characters, kylo, and maybe rey

i couldn't even figure out why i was supposed to give a poo poo about poe or finn, much less 30 minor characters they think we're going to dress as for halloween

either way it's too many goddamned main characters

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

TLJ was simply too good, moral and correct for this fallen world. Much like the shameful betrayal of Hillary Clinton and her POC allies by the cynical and heartless bros.

go back to c-spam

they don't tolerate this weak bait either but at least you'll get probed for it

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Up Circle posted:

I'm afraid to read the prequel thread why are there 3000 unread posts in it?

good news! you do not have to read those posts in order to post there. it's not like anyone else who posts there does anyway.

especially me

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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come and post with us in prequeldome! they're all bad posts but it's a good time

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Gulping Again posted:

cease to hope you're a good poster and i've considered you one since Mechwarrior Online

what can i say, i'm a sucker for tragic revivals of 80s nerd poo poo

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Gulping Again posted:

I honestly don't think the sequel trilogy went quite as bad as MWO

I mean they didn't try to sell a five hundred dollar gold-plated x-wing or tie fighter

you have not even begun to plumb the depths of star wars collector poo poo, i see

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Feb 1, 2020

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
the forum where people post about insurance in case they have to kill someone is mad at this guy again lol

there is always more and it is always worse

true of terrifying toy collector stories, F2P game monetization, and Star Wars movies

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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it's the force lightning he isn't shooting

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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HootTheOwl posted:

The worst thing to happen to Jedi was the prequels in like a hundred different ways.

you know you want to post in prequeldome

search your feelings, you know it to be true

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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TROS is terrible but i don't have a problem with a society built on master-slave morality in a setting with space wizards and evil mind control magic

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Regarde Aduck posted:

Probably should have explained any of this in the films

The OT (and to a much lesser extent TLJ) do explain this. You have a very clear divide between the theatrical and flamboyant Darth Vader and Emperor and the buttoned-down, all-business Imperial officer corps. The philosophy that unites them is that fear maintains the order of things, where the strong are above the weak.

It doesn't explain what the gently caress's happening on Exegol but that's more than just a philosophy thing. We don't even see the people living on Exegol hardly at all.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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go away

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

TFA was the only Disney movie that I really liked so if they actually did just release that and pull the Avatar 2 “oh yeah episode 8 is coming! And 9 and a bunch of spinoffs! Just you wait!” in perpetuity while focusing on games and TV shows and such I would honestly have a way higher opinion of them

i mean this is basically what things were like in 1995

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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nemesis_hub posted:

They have a layer of superficial modern blockbuster slickness that keeps stupid people entertained (or at least just momentarily distracted which is what big budget movies are now

when was this not true

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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one snoke enters, rey palpatine leaves

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Doublestep posted:

if hes a clone why the gently caress he look worse than he did in rots

it's not a very good clone

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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nine-gear crow posted:

Surprise, it was a teleporter.

So you're saying he did die and he's a clone in TROS

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Ghost Leviathan posted:

loving lol that disney is having to clarify major plot points in tweets

nah, that's just a notorious clickbait site. it's in the novelization, just like every confusing or unclear plot point from the prequels

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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All of this ScreenRant clickbait is taken from a leaked copy of the TROS novelization.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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MonsieurChoc posted:

They nuked the old EU so they could bring it back worse in every way.

You should reread Dark Empire. The sequel trilogy ranges from mixed to really bad, but even TROS at its worst has nothing on DE's completely nonsense story

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Up Circle posted:

is that the actual movie

palpatine looks and sounds terrible

Yes, although it seems to be from a terrible bootleg cam version of the movie.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Rey being dumped on Jakku also seems thematically fitting given the planet's whole thing is being almost featureless but for the relics of the last big war that people scavenge for scraps.

yeah, it's one of the cleverest images in TFA

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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josh04 posted:

Divergent bangs, it's all about kids getting sold a society which lets you express yourself so long as it serves fascism.

isn't this the prequels

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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dialhforhero posted:

While I agree that Finn‘s character arc is wasted, the potential from Benicio Del Toro’s DJ from TLJ is COMPLETELY wasted.

gonna make a sequeler trilogy with all of the interesting characters that got squeezed out of their movies to spend more time on R2D2

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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Angry Salami posted:

...what narrative potential is there in a character who's defining attribute is "Doesn't give a poo poo about anything going on around him"?

yeah han solo sucks

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Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
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reignofevil posted:

DJ is supposed to be irredeemable han solo which was a twist designed to play on your expectations from having seen the popular star wars movie franchise, which is why he's a bad character because understanding his narrative role is predicated on being nostalgic for another, better performance.

Or being even slightly familiar with this sort of movie in general. Han Solo is not the first or last scoundrel with a heart of gold.

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