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Force Awakens is an enjoyable 'empty calorie,' kind of movie that doesn't hold up to scrutiny very well but understands how Star Wars is supposed to FEEL and the thematic underpinnings that are supposed to drive it, and it delivers both in abundance if you don't scratch beneath the surface too hard. Its one of those kinds of movies that deserves to be called a "love letter," to its source material, and while it could have been a better movie in every way VERY easily, I can't condemn it too hard. The Last Jedi is brilliant, and while it is not a virtually perfect movie like New Hope or Empire, it's clearly superior to every other movie in the "skywalker saga," in terms of themes, character development, clever use of established tropes and lore for the franchise, acting, and moments that are memorable for being good rather than hilarious trash. Yes that includes Jedi (though only barely, Jedi is also good). Its flaws are superficial in comparison to its successes and I find the need many of its defenders have to concede that its got its share of warts silly. Its ground that doesn't need to be conceded because those warts don't do anything to substantively mar the film. Rise of the Skywalker is a bizarre gumbo of mixed intentions that tried to jam three movies into one movie's runtime, tried to walk back Last Jedi while also NOT walking back Last Jedi in the vain hope of pleasing both sides of a really stupid argument they should have just ignored, and tried to tie its predecessors together into a singular vision but couldn't think of a smart way to do it and thus fell flat when it did it in a stupid way. However, I did like the middle third of the movie rather a lot, most of the stuff on Poe's old planet was good and even with the Last Jedi Retcon crap everything to the end of the Death Star Ruins duel took Rey and Kylo's individual arcs and relationship to a satisfying conclusion, even if where it went once those arcs were finished was stupid. It makes me think that JJ could have written an entire good trilogy if he'd stuck it out the entire way and didn't try to put both his sequels into one film. But then we wouldn't have gotten The Last Jedi, so gently caress that. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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2house2fly posted:I don't feel this strongly about it, but it's for sure the only one of the Disney movies which I felt compelled to rewatch and had some memorable scenes and visuals I admit my positive feelings are probably on a bit of an extreme edge, though I don't cross the line of stanning and saying the movie is flawless, its clearly not. The power gap between TLJ and ESB/ANH in terms of technical and holistic quality as a story AND a film is indeed vast. Like I said, I just don't feel any of its flaws detract from it in a substantial way, not even the Casino Planet sequences.
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Grendels Dad posted:It's true that Star Wars always had silly hairdos for the few ladies on screen, people still make fun of Leia's Danish-rear end buns to this day... on the other hand, the Danish-rear end buns were at least colored normally, imagine if Leia in RotJ had weird Brigitte Nielsen hair. Do me a favor and google Queen Amidala, and then tell me how complaints about Holdo's hair having the audacity to be purple is not loving dumb. Or how about any of the 5 tentacle hair alien races in Star Wars, are those not "weird," enough to somehow merit being mentioned as a substantive critique of those characters? Shall we discuss how Kit Fisto's lightsaber would chop all his tenta-dreds off and therefore he sucks Mr. Plinkett? How about Sabine in Rebels, who also has weird color-dyed hair, several in fact? Is that a noteworthy detraction from that show's quality? The complaint about purple hair IS a chud thing, because Colorful Hair On Woman is something Chuds have contributed to being coded as Liberal Feminist, and therefore it's almost as important for creating a direct bridge between legitimate criticisms of her writing to their "Man-Hating Faux-Empowered Feminazi," caricature as when they call her Admiral Clinton. If that makes you uncomfortable don't bring it up because "her hair color is distracting/weird for the setting," is already a lame criticism
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nine-gear crow posted:Even Red Letter Media at the height of their “overlong interludes in Mr. Plinkett’s literal basement sex dungeon” phase didn’t use the word “rape” in their lone “George Lucas ruined my childhood” gag. (Which was explicitly mocking people who used that phrase for being overly dramatic idiots The misery that Last Jedi brings to hateful dickheads by existing and being a giant success gives me such joy.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I find it funny that the only people who seem to like the movie are apparently outright admitting it's purely out of spite I made a lengthy post like a page ago with a paragraph devoted to how I think Last Jedi is a tour de force and the third best Star Wars movie. Being happy that it makes the biggest dicks on the planet mad is just a bonus
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Bogus Adventure posted:They tell a complete story about how the Republic fails when people trust a few select people to tell them what to do rather than participate as a group in the political process. People shouldn't expect a solitary "strong leader" to make decisions for them, even when that option seems. People shouldn't rely on a strange cult of mystical ascetics to protect them. People need to participate in the system and work together. People need to care. ... how is any of this in the Prequels? There are no on-the-ground perspectives, no insight into the common people's thoughts on the war, Palpatine or the Jedi, nothing in the narrative that serves as a call to action or a condemnation of apathy. Our point of view characters are entirely driven by their personal convictions and the story never tries to relate those personal motives to the systemic structure of the galaxy or its politics. The Original Trilogy consistently painted the Old Republic as a golden age and the Rebels as fighting to reclaim it from darkness, and while the Prequels do show us a disconnect between that romanticism and what reality was, they never address or engages that disconnect in any way. Anakin was a slave in a society that had purported to abolish slavery because of corruption and anemia, and was raised up into power and prosperity because of his abilities. Can we infer that this history informs his being enamored with authoritarianism and might-makes-right ideology, as well as the possessive nature of his concept of love which drives him toward evil after the loss of his mother and the threated loss of his wife? Yes! Does the movie actually do anything with that idea? No! Could we read that Padme's neglect of her once-proactive and progressive political career in Revenge in favor of wrapping herself up in her relationship and her pregnancy as a sign of the Republic's institutional failures and its elites inherent complicity in the rise of fascism? Sure. Could we read Obi-Wan and Yoda's choice to go into exile as a tacit acknowledgment of the Jedi's inability to rise to the challenges of evil and a passing of the torch to the common people of the galaxy as the ones who can liberate themselves? We could. Does the movie actually do anything to make that implication text? Of course it doesn't. I don't know if you're reading later material like Clone Wars and various novels back into the Prequels post-facto or what, but you're giving those films credit they don't deserve for stories they never told. The prequels have two things going for them: solid world/lore building which allowed more competent storytellers to do effective things with their setting and character over the course of two following decades of work trying to salvage them, and a semi-competent two-movie character study/arc (I say two because Phantom Menace is the most pointless film ever made and contributes nothing to the other two) for two of its characters, Anakin and Obi-wan. Maybe 2.5 if you want to credit them for intermitten good scenes for Padme and Palpatine. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jun 17, 2020 |
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teagone posted:I'm just trying to articulate my own thoughts as to why I think TLJ is the best live-action feature the franchise has to offer in terms of story and character. It's much easier to point out how well TLJ compares visually to the other movies—its production design and general aesthetic is absolutely stellar imo—but most don't want to engage with how well TLJ handles narrative and characterization. And I get it, not everyone agrees with/likes the direction the film took certain characters, or that some plotlines straight up just don't appeal to them, but for me, TLJ hits all the right notes and I try my best to explain as such. I think it's much better than just vaguely claiming "The story and characters are great!" and whatnot, which doesn't contribute much to meaningful discussion. You did great. I was going to gush-post about Last Jedi too but I took a nap and now I don't have to because you did it for me 
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SolarFire2 posted:I see the praise for TLJ and I swear we must be watching different movies. Or at least a profound willingness to gloss over scenes that are idiotic and or nonsensical. 75% of Star Wars is reliant on being willing to gloss over idiotic and nonsensical stuff. Its a franchise about emotional resonance and messages that speak to deep beliefs in the way that mythology does. When you read the Illiad do you obsess over the plot holes or the fact that characters constantly do stupid poo poo because the Gods literally make them, or do you focus on stoic Prince Hector removing his gleaming helm because it frightens his son, Achilles scream of rage and grief for his fallen lover turning aside an entire army, and Priam kissing the hands of the man who murdered his son in a desperate bid to awaken his compassion? Yes, the very best Star Wars does not demand this of its audience, but the majority of it does. Its why people in this very thread are defending the Prequels. Its why even though I hate Phantom Menance more than almost anything in the world, I still have a soft spot for Qui-gon Jin and Darth Maul. Last Jedi has this resonance in spades across almost all its characters, events and themes, that's why its among the best the franchise has regardless of its flaws. Milkfred E. Moore posted:"The scene where Luke calls the Jedi out on their hubristic dogma and how it allowed the Empire to rise is incredible. The trilogy where Lucas showed that happen gangbanged my childhood and/or isn't supported by the films." The trilogy of films that showed that happen was blissfully unaware that it was happening and did nothing to incorporate that happening into its story, its one of the biggest reasons why there was two decades of people writing stories set during the Prequel Era where that was a central conceit that they went out of their way to explore. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Cease to Hope posted:Yeah. The half of the plot with Finn and Poe and Rose doesn't make a lot of sense; it's a series of evocative images and characters explaining to you what you're supposed to feel about those images strung together without any real consideration for making a coherent story. It's basically the same sort of problem that made people dislike ROTJ, but to an even greater degree. Most of the Casino stuff is pretty dumb and ham-handed, and the "Why didn't they just save the kids rather than use the symbolism of freeing the animals to inspire the kids?" is a classic Fridge Logic moment that show TLJ could have used one or two more script revisions That being said, the DJ sub-plot is very dear to me. Del Toro knocks it out of the park with that character, and he's written as a really fresh take on the classic Star Wars Rogue archetype, not because of the twist that he sells out of the heroes rather than being won over by them, but because of how he expresses the world view that leads him there. The scene where he reveals that the rich fucks on this planet are rich because they've been selling weapons to both sides of the war is retrospectively a great motivation for why someone who seems to be a good person despite being overwhelmingly jaded would ultimately Look Out For Number One to the point of selling out freedom fighters to Nazis: in his experience, there's no real difference at the end of the day, ideals are just puppet strings for the powerful to send the weak into the meat grinder. What's the point of doing the right thing when there is no right thing? This cynicism-leads-to-enabling-evil thing is obviously supposed to be the thing that pushes Finn to pick a side when he spent the whole movie only caring about his personal needs (Rey) rather than ANY cause, the thing that makes Rose's shiny idealism finally crack through his defenses. Indeed, the most brilliant part of the whole thing is the line that DJ leaves on: when Rose spouts her platitudes and faith in good's ultimate victory while on her knees before a firing squad that DJ handed her to, DJ replies "...maybe." Even a bastard like that has some part of him that wants to believe, not enough to risk his life in a fight he sees as pointless, but enough that if there was something to inspire him maybe he could change. And thus Finn, despite having no reason to think he's even going to survive the next few minutes, finally goes all in on being "Rebel Scum." This moment is then taken from the micro to the macro scale by the ending: the Rebels old allies who fought off an Empire cower when they're called for help. They've lost all faith in a better world and won't stick their necks out like they did in the past to save Leia. But when Luke returns and becomes a legend, inspires them to believe again despite all logic, those dying embers fan back to life across the entire galaxy. The stories of Finn, Rey and Luke come together in a single message, that the Rebellion and the Jedi (and Star Wars itself from the meta perspective) were never about being saviors, but about letting people believe that they could win and make the world better no matter how impossible their lived experience makes that seem. Obviously its not perfect. Like I said the script needed a few more trips to the oven. But the heart of that movie SHINES even in its worst parts.
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Cease to Hope posted:It's storyboard-driven writing. It feels like padding, like McCloud says here... I don't agree that Finn's story is padding, they reflect Luke and Rey's story deeply. The connective tissue of Finn's story, like you say, has some iffy logic stringing it together and it doesn't hit its big beats as hard as it should. It needed revisions. Poe's story is arguably padding, although it has a clear relation to the main story, ie "Poe can be an inspirational leader, but he needs to learn that swashbuckling isn't the solution to every problem." Remember, the message of the finale is that Luke's big heroic battle was an illusion, he didn't DO anything, but the image and story and the inspiration that came from it would inspire an entire galaxy to believe. Poe's story parallels that central tenant nicely and it serves a function in that regard, but it doesn't really do so in a very smart way and the movie probably would have been significantly better if they'd scrapped it and just had Poe go on a better-written version of the Casino Adventure with Finn and learn his lesson as part of getting betrayed by DJ as a direct result of his impulsive need to DO THINGS.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Daisy Ridley was great as Rey and I'm even down with Rey as this 'Force vessel' with a ton of raw power. But that kind of character needs to do more than just conquer problems and fail upward. For all the people who talk about how great the sequel trilogy is for being a feminist power story or whatever, they neglect to notice that the film is hardly Rey's story - it's Kylo Ren's. I really struggle to understand the concept that the Sequel Trilogy are Kylo Ren's stories and not Rey's. Their stories are absolutely inexorably linked, at least in TLJ and Rise, and at least somewhat in TFA even if its not as clear or front-and-center as it would become. Rey and Kylo's stuff is 90% of what's redeemable about Rise. I suppose you could argue that Kylo's story can stand on its own without the Rey parts whereas Rey's story can't, but I wouldn't find such an argument very credulous. Their influence on each other is what the whole story is built around, not just her influence on Kylo in a one-sided fashion like Han.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Inexplicably, the only film beyond ANH and ESB that she seemed to like as a whole was Solo. Yeah, I don't get it either. I think Solo is a pretty underrated film even if I wouldn't call it "great," so I'd probably agree with her, but that's a whole other giant argument I'm sure.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Solo has a lot of interesting parts that should've been part of the ST. Droid rights, L3, droid liberation? Chuck that in the sequel trilogy! God knows she'd have been more interesting than BB-8. I think of Solo as three really enjoyable short films/episodes rather than a single movie. The whole is less than the sum of its parts, but I love those parts.
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nine-gear crow posted:I sometimes wonder what Solo would have been like if LucasFilm had a modicum of faith in Lord and Miller’s vision for it and didn’t fire them the second it looked like Solo might be developing an actual identity as a film. The fact that they rebounded from it to make Into the Spider-Verse is just beautiful schadenfreude. I do wonder why that one film was such a drat bugbear for them. Disney has taken at least some degree of risk with Marvel and it produced some of the franchise's best AND most lucrative outings: Winter Soldier, Guardians 1, Black Panther, Thor 3 and Infinity War didn't BREAK the mold exactly but they certainly pushed the envelope a fair bit. Why so nervous with taking risks with Star Wars? Like, they had to have seen Last Jedi as at least a nominally risky film, they let that go through and it made a billion dollars. Why hound Solo so much at the same time that was happening on their Mainline Trilogy Film? Come to think of it, I heard that Rogue One got a lot of late changes and reshoots compared to an original version that was significantly darker. Maybe the fact that they interfered with that movie to make it more "Mainstream Star Wars," and it ALSO made a billion dollars influenced the decision to stick their fingers into Solo's cookpot.
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McCloud posted:There was absolutely no risk in Black Panther or infinity war, and the only envelope being pushed was the one with all the money it made for being very much not risky. I think saying Black Panther's heavily real-world-politics influenced story, Michael B Jordan's portrayal of Killmonger, and the first really mainstream application of the Afro-Futurist aesthetic as the core of the film's art design were all risk-less is kind of an overstatement. Infinity War maybe is a bit of a stretch of me to claim as risky in retrospect, regardless of how surprisingly dark they went with the ending and the whole "Thanos is the de facto protagonist," story structure. Those are only risks if you ascribe to a pretty antiquated underestimation of the Movie Going Public's intelligence. But this isn't a marvel thread so I'll shut up.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I do actually like the design of the new Star Destroyer in TFA. It's weird and asymmetrical and the bare scaffolding/structural bars or whatever evokes a skeleton. It's like a weird, skeletal version of a familiar ship. Sounds about right for the First Order! But just about the rest of the designs suck, vehicle and alien. The Dreadnaught is awful and Snoke's ship is just a squished and widened Executor. Designs/Locations I like in the ST: the TLJ bombers, the busted old speeders in the rebel base, the Super AT-AT's, the salt flat planet, the Starkiller as a location, just all of it (as a vehicle/super weapon not so much), Kylo's broadsword lightsaber, pretty much everything about Luke's exile planet including the green milk seal and the darkside water cave, the Porgs (I don't care how engineered to be toys they are, its loving Star Wars), Snoke's Throneroom and his Royal Guards, Palpatine's Sith Colosseum and his Sith Magi-Science Lab, the big gross riding beast on Rey's planet, TR-8R's Stun Baton thing, Phasma's outfit, the occupied city Poe's ex-girlfriend lived in and her armor, the little droid-repair alien, and the dumb alien horses on the Casino Planet. Also lots of stuff from Solo and Rogue One.
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Cease to Hope posted:It is nice that we can discuss TLJ here without the headaches trying to have this conversation anywhere else would entail. Hell, I wouldn't even want to talk about Last Jedi in any other thread on Something Awful. My days posting in CD are not fond memories.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Wasn't that part in TLJ as well? I think you'll find that in Last Jedi it is Kylo Ren who determines masks are for stupid babies. 
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Up Circle posted:This is why I can't even understand how you can praise the movie like you do. To me, almost every aspect of the film is like this. I understand what they are going for, but it isn't earned in the slightest. It's like at every point in the making of the movie they said "aw, gently caress it, thats close enough." "And you can make it strong enough even to make them forget reason. You see when you say that Cary Grant can’t possibly be killed so early in the film, that’s the application of reason. But you’re not permitted to reason. Because the film should be stronger than reason. ... You see the attitude of the man, the woman’s behaviour. Of course behind it lies some kind of plot, which I think is quite secondary. I don’t bother about plot, or all that kind of thing...That’s a necessary evil. But that’s why I’m always surprised at people and even critics who place so much reliance on logic and all that sort of thing. I have a little phrase to myself. I always say logic is dull." -Hitchcock, 1963 If the film is not stronger than reason for you, fair enough. Rise of the Skywalker wasn't for me, nor were any of the Prequels. Last Jedi absolutely was, overwhelmingly, to the point that I rank it as the #3 best film in the franchise. Like I said in an earlier post, at least 75% of the Star Wars franchise demands some of level of being able to ignore, gloss over and accept idiotic bullshit if you're going to enjoy it. Of the Feature Films, only 2 out of 11, Empire and New Hope, do not require you to excuse something stupid, lame or iffy in quality to appreciate it. Its a dumb franchise. But its also a franchise that resonates because the world and the characters and the deeper meanings of the images and stories and themes connect to people.
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The reading that Poe/Holdo's storyline is about deference to authority is bullshit. The story's message is about temperance. Poe is an impulsive idiot who feels the need to DO AN ACTION every single time there is a problem, he thinks there's no virtue of leadership except knee-jerk proactivity. The Holdo storyline isn't about him having to kowtow to her because she's THE BOSS, its about him loving everything up because he has no patience and an egomaniacial inability to trust in other people. Also the conflation of inspirational figures and the power they have to help people believe and accomplish things with Great Man History is really gross. And I'd really like to hear how the first six movies are a repudiation of Great Man History when they Prequels are literally entirely about a Chosen One prophecy and a fascist leader seizing a galactic government through his Cult of Personality, and the OT is about a humble farmboy's journey to become a Legendary Knight so he can defeat his Legendary Evil Knight Father and save the universe by becoming The Most Famous Hero Of The Rebellion.
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nine-gear crow posted:Well, I guess now that Sequeldome is back, it should be pointed out that a study was done recently analyzing over 1 million tweets and 1,000 YouTube videos talking about Star Wars, and it turns out that the people who are screaming the loudest about Star Wars on the internet are all alt-right assholes who have clear problems with women and people of colour existing. I am shocked. SHOCKED. (not that shocked)
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Falling asleep to Jenny Nicholson, waking up Why SJWs Are Ruining Star Wars: A TLJ Retrospective Part 1/4 (runtime 2h52m) Thankfully extremely aggressive blocks and de-recommending on my part has made that mostly stop happening. I still get fed into one from time to time. Oddly its become much more common when I look up Comic Books than anything else, which makes me think that the proportion of Comic Book Content Creators who are alt-right shitheads is significantly higher.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i know this is an ultranerd question but in Star Wars how hard is it to build warships According to LEGENDS LORE, there are 67 total "major," shipyards in the known Star Wars Galaxy, by which I would assume means Shipyards capable of building Capital Ships. 31 of those were nationalized exclusively for the Imperial state, 30 were still under civilian control but within the Imperial umbrella, and 6 were completely unaffiliated with the Empire. Of the 61 under Imperial authority, 27 were tasked exclusively with the construction and maintenance of Imperial-class Star Destroyers, with another 18 devoting a portion of their output to those same vessels. The Empire also maintained two mobile hyperspace-capable shipyard facilities called "Deepdocks," in each Imperial sector, but the majority of those were only capable of working with smaller vessels, capping out their capacity at the Victory-class Star Destroyer. So I would say no, not just anyone could start playing the Capital Ship Game on a whim. These are pretty significant infrastructure investments.
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Raluek posted:i guess i need to re-read my essential guide to vehicles and vessels, because i remember pretty much everything being built by kdy, incom, and mon cal The three biggest shipyards in the galaxy are Kuat (Kuat Drive Yard's home base), Corellia (owned by the Corellian Engineering Corporation) and Fondor (owned by the Guild of Starshipwrights, a subsidiary corporation of the Techno Union). Incom doesn't have any major shipyard facilities to its name, probably because they didn't need them because they mainly manufactured starfighters and airspeeders, so smaller factories and renting space in other people's shipyards would be sufficient. Same goes for Sienar Fleet Systems. The Mon Calamari Shipyards are a major Capital-class production facility (and certainly one of those 6 that were not affiliated with the Empire) but they weren't in the same league as the main three. Mon Calamari shipbuilding is a more artisanal affair rather than an effort of mass production.
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nine-gear crow posted:Well, Kuat Drive Yards could crank out like about 1,000 Star Destroyers a year, so in the 30 years between Return of the Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, you could feasibly get like 30,000 Imperial-Is, But With Death Star Cannons, I Guess made... the only problem is that the only place with the kind of facilities to build a fleet like that is the orbital ring around Kuat itself, which would have been in New Republic hands from the Battle of Jakku onward, or at least under Republic observation, so it would have been fairly common knowledge that KDY was cranking out old Imperial-Is by the crateload and they were all jumping away immediately to some weird unknown part of the galaxy. Its not that hard, Exegol was out in the Unknown Regions, where the Rakatan Infinite Empire's core world's were. That part of the lore is still canon, they brought it up in that Resistance cartoon, just say he found a Star Forge out there.
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RBA Starblade posted:Someone's idea of them all being ghost ships crewed by stormtrooper ghosts in broken hosed up armor fueled by Sheev was way radder While we're talking about "Full Circle," stuff, how about "If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine," and "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force?" coupled with this idea? One of the most idiotic things about Rise was the idea that Kylo "Kill The Past," Ren would have willingly bent the knee to ANYONE after Last Jedi, especially the former Emperor. It's not like he wasn't already dominating the galaxy with the First Order's forces alone, why did he even NEED the Emperor's Fleet? If he FEARED the Emperor's fleet, why not use it to make another play for Rey's allegiance by presenting it as the far greater threat than the First Order's rule, it would have been the perfect leverage to try and turn her again? Or why not do LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE? Why kowtow to Palpatine, the one choice most at odds with his character? The idea that the Emperor, through his death, transcended to a new level of power in the Force, powerful enough to conjure an armada to subjugate the whole galaxy and an army of ghosts to crew it, would have certainly been a more compelling argument. The Emperor can do only with his mind and the Force what Kylo needs millions of followers to accomplish? What better carrot for someone who was humbled by his former teacher and ostensibly betrayed by his kindred spirit? If Palpatine can become this Force God, then Kylo can too, and he won't need these frail, weak First Order pawns OR Rey anymore, he'll be able to stand alone in a universe he burned to the ground and rebuild it entirely in his own image. Kill The Past isn't a philosophical point anymore, it is a power that he can hold in his hand. Then it comes to Rey to show him that what the Light, and herself, can offer is worth more than that. The irreplaceable, incalculable value of life, and love. That for all pure power and hate can give you, there are something things that are forever beyond its reach, even when it achieves the godlike scale of the Emperor. The things that Ben Solo had really wanted all along.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:lol what That's what happens when you fire your original director in a bizarre reactionary panic toward racist alt-right shitheads that still gave your last mainline movie a billion dollars and made it the #3 selling home release that year, proving that their crying was totally empty and you could just go ahead with your original plan. But hey, Solo underperformed in the biggest self-fulfilling prophecy in cinema history, so I guess they had to.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Which is a very weird decision considering how the last franchise Disney bought had a grand planner planning things out and even slotting in scenes into movies that were otherwise out of the "main" series to link them into the greater whole. The grand plan was done with 50-year-old characters and 10-30-year-old storylines from the comics as a blueprint, and they ran related storylines in the current comics as a cross-promotion. I would need to check a calendar or something and I'm far too lazy to, but I wonder if decisions about Star Wars being plan-less might have been made around the time that things were falling apart internally on that Marvel plan because of Perlmutter and a bunch of major leads were thinking about walking after Age of Ultron because of it.
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