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SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


I honestly don't know what people see in TFA. That movie is just teases within vagueries within cyphers within opaqueness all in the name of the typical Abrams gambit of trying to distract you from realizing what you're watching isn't actually interesting. Its sequels may be far more ridiculous but I find TFA tedious and dull (and just IMO the creatures and settings and such were kind of off, almost seemed more like Star Trek at times). It's actually improved by watching it now because a lot of the mystery box bullshit is neutralized.

Also the cast in general looks kinda ugly in TFA, just about everyone except maybe Leia looks better in the others for some reason.

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SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


W.T. Fits posted:

I didn't care for TFA. The movie had its good bits here and there, and it was okay overall, but it just didn't feel like Star Wars to me, despite trying way too hard to make itself feel like Star Wars. It's kinda like the uncanny valley; the more it tried to pass itself off as being Star Wars by trying to hit all the "hey, remember this thing you liked in the original trilogy" nostalgia buttons, the less it ended up feeling like an actual Star Wars movie.

Good god in 2015 I felt like I was going crazy because the whole public narrative at the time was "Was The Force Awakens too much like the old Star Wars? The line is drawn! Take your side now!" and I felt like the lone weirdo outsider who didn't think it was enough like the old Star Wars. I'd normally be more forgiving of the movie but it seemed like it had ONE job it took upon itself and that was "evoke Star Wars".

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...



This is really stupid. The sheer audacity of not providing a direct explanation is one of those rare "so bullshit that it becomes kind of brilliant" moves and was absolutely the correct way to handle such a ludicrous plot development. And it will forever remain that way as far as I'm concerned. :colbert:

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


It's the way the hood rests on his head. I can't really describe it but it makes him look really dumpy and fatter than he actually is.

One thing I didn't realize on first watch is, before he gets "rejuvenated", Ian McDiarmid isn't wearing the emperor makeup. He's actually back to normal Chancellor Palpatine/ Darth Sidious form, though he doesn't have pupils (wonder if he's blind?).

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


Basebf555 posted:

It's absurd how on the nose fans were about the whole thing. It wasn't even just like "they're gonna bring Palpatine back", people were actually saying "they have no clue where they're going with this so they'll probably just get desperate and bring Palpatine back", and that turned out to be super accurate.

I'm convinced the Emperor was part of the plan from the beginning, either as "keep it so close to the vest we don't even tell Colin Treverrow until he's already written a draft" or as an "in case of emergency break glass" contingency. TFA makes just a little too much sense now for me to believe otherwise. Hell, they even named her Rey for crying out loud.

I know, hindsight, confirmation bias, 'Darth Vader does not actually mean anything in German', etc. but it fits with the prior movies a lot better than any of the other popular theories that were going around.

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


reignofevil posted:

If possible I'd very much like if you expanded on this!

It's mostly on the subjective side so if you were hoping for something based on logic or specific plot points you'll probably be disappointed. TFA feels like a puzzle that has this big piece missing in the center, and if you place "Rey is a Palpatine" into it the resulting picture makes me go "Hmm, yeah, makes sense." It's definitely not the only thing they could've done, but at least out of all the popular options/ theories it feels the most natural.

Re-watching TFA the overwhelming impression I get is that she's dangerous. Unlike Luke, she was no one's hope. It feels more like she was radioactive waste being buried in some remote location so that no one would find her and unleash pandora's box. (I know in literal terms this would seem to conflict with TROS which appeared to suggest her parents hid her away for her own safety; but it doesn't have to be either/or, I don't think, and this is more on a subtextual level anyway).

Daisy Ridley's performance and overall presence is just odd and feels deliberately out of place for someone in a supposed hero role (in TFA and TLJ it's exactly this intriguing 'presence' that was the only thing that kept me from just dismissing her character out of boredom). Then you tell me "she's someone who's 'supposed' to be evil but doesn't realize it" and it's like yes that is exactly what it feels like.

Then you take that the movie seems to go out of its way to present her in some kind of duality role with Kylo Ren, who is himself out of place (he's someone who's 'supposed' to be the good guy but is being trained not to be against his better nature), when you know about Rey's heritage it's like "oh duh, they're mirror images of each other".

Anakin's lightsaber has a reaction to Rey - the short orange lady with big eyes says it's "calling" to her but I think she's mistaken - which it never did for anyone else, and it gives her a very dark and frightening vision that repels Rey and makes her want nothing to do with it. This sequence makes the most sense if the lightsaber is reacting negatively to her. Like if it had a personality it would be going "You! Go away you evil bitch!"

I'm now realizing that all this doesn't necessarily point to the Emperor returning in the flesh so I'll have to concede that, but I think they set TFA up so "Rey is a Palpatine" was always in the cards and probably their default plotline should they not come up with something else in the interim.

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


eric ciaramella posted:

Spain doesnt exist in the star wars universe.

No one expects the Spanish inquisition!

Anyhow Rey is indeed Spanish for "King" and yes it sounds ridiculous but some folks managed to correctly peg the eventual reveal before TFA was even released based almost entirely on just this bit of information. It invites incredulity but I think it's actually because it seems too obvious rather than because it's too off the nose.

reignofevil posted:

This is an interesting read on TFA! Thanks for expanding on it for me!

Hey you're welcome, reignofevil...

Or should I say: REYgnofevil!

I'm on to you...

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

Then you take that the movie seems to go out of its way to present her in some kind of duality role with Kylo Ren, who is himself out of place (he's someone who's 'supposed' to be the good guy but is being trained not to be against his better nature), when you know about Rey's heritage it's like "oh duh, they're mirror images of each other".

Adding to this, TFA feels like it has this Final Destination-esque aspect to it in which Palpatine had gone and done something unnatural* by cheating death and corrupting Ben Solo - these are things that were not supposed to happen. The collective force moves to correct/ compensate for this meddling in the universe and awakens within Finn at the exact moment it does in order to set off a series of events that leads to Palpatine's granddaughter being be trained as a Jedi by the Skywalkers, hence the title of the movie.

*("that some consider to be...")

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


Guy A. Person posted:

"How do you explain people who liked the movies at the time of release?"
"They like it because of nostalgia"

I'm just sort of Kramering into this thread and am not really responding directly to anyone's specific argument, but I just want to point out if it hasn't already: Star Wars is nostalgia. That's how it's always worked. It was noted at the time that what made the original Star Wars so brilliant was how it got people to feel nostalgic for something they'd never seen before.

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SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...


indigi posted:

same. I was like 7 what would that even mean to a baby child

I never had a "first" viewing of Star Wars but I recall that it always had an air of being old-fashioned and "classic" and unlike other old classics I actually found this appealing about it, probably because I could sense it was on purpose and not simply due to age. Probably can't call that nostalgia, but I could sense its timelessness before I had the words for it.

I also remember watching the end of Return of the Jedi at 6 years old and having my mind completely and utterly blown. I was convinced I had just witnessed the greatest story ever told, and that it should be added to the bible.

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