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PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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zoux posted:


And it wasn't Kylo that said they were nobodys, it was Rey!

This! For fucks' sakes this. So much of the discussion around that scene forgets that she says they're nobody. She learned that in the Dark Side butt. Kylo just adds the stuff about them being filthy junk traders and drunks.

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PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Incoherence posted:

The implication of that scene for me was that, like the scenes in TFA where Rey learns most of what she knows about the Jedi by reading Kylo's mind, she's learning that from him and then just saying it out loud.

The implication for me was that she learned who her parents were when she was in the Dark Side butt looking in the mirror and saw two indistinct nobodies come together to form her reflection.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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TremorX posted:

It was kind of a powerful moment -- it almost seemed to say that it didn't matter who her parents were, she was the one responsible for who she was.

TROS: "LOL nah"

I forgot, she even says, "show me my parents" in that scene.

Colostomy Bag posted:

There's someone for everyone.

It's that blue lady who's always hanging around in RoTS.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

They’re called star destroyers because they are destroyer-class ships, but in space. User loses posting privileges for 1 month.

They're actually cruiser class ships, though. :colbert:

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Poopernickel posted:

The theme was good and I liked it. Rose and Finn are both interesting characters.

Also the writers should have figured out a way to make the casino heist actually matter to the plot. Something other than "whoops, we tipped off the First Order by accident".

It massively matters to the plot, though. It is the plot for a good chunk of the film. And it directly sets up the battle on Crait.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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chitoryu12 posted:

Is it really any different from The Empire Strikes Back, though?

The big difference is the Rebels have an entire fleet at the end of ESB, and almost nothing at the end of TLJ.

But what they do have is all they need. They have moral clarity born of experience in Finn, bravery tempered with the wisdom born of failure in Poe, and the inspiring presence of a nobody from nowhere who has risen to power and resisted its temptation. That's the point of the exchange 2house2fly quoted.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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TLJ is a movie made by someone who thinks they're a filmmaking genius because they made three genius films before it and would go on to make a fifth genius film after it.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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But you're with me on Knives Out!

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Cease to Hope posted:

it's such a nonspecific burn that you can apply it to pretty much anything

It's a refreshing change from "RJ doesn't understand Star Wars!"

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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She knows of Han as a legendary smuggler presumable because she grew up at a scavenger post that is frequented by smugglers and other shady types. Finn knows of Han as a general in the Rebellion presumably as part of his indoctrination where Han would be portrayed as a villain who helped bring disorder to the galaxy. Both are a bit surprised to find out he's a real person and the piece of junk they're on is the legendary Millennium Falcon.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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OctoberCountry posted:

This would be a completely sensible way to write Finn and add some nuance to his backstory but instead he calls Han a "War Hero" lmao

By the time he meets Han, he's already rejected his FO indoctrination, so it's not strange that he'd have a different tune. But I agreed that Finn would benefit from more conflict between what he was taught and what he sees.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Kart Barfunkel posted:

Aka by the end of act one, he’s completely finished his character arc for the entire trilogy.

That's not even a character arc.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Kart Barfunkel posted:

It’s the closest thing he gets to one.

I'd argue that "I wanna run away" -> "I wanna run away with this girl I met" -> "I wanna join the cause" is more of an arc. But I wouldn't argue that it's an interesting or well developed one.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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I absolutely love TLJ. I think its pacing can feel off because the climactic duel isn't the real climactic duel, but I love that. I enjoy all three narrative arcs, but the central story of Kylo, Luke, and Rey would carry it even if I didn't. It features some of the best performances of any Star Wars movie. It's absolutely gorgeous throughout, and I think it has some of the most striking and memorable moments from the entire franchise.

I understand the problems around here with its politics, but I also think that Star Wars has always been more about squishy liberalism than the more leftist interpretation that is popular here.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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They free the horses instead of the children because they can't ride on the children to escape the cops.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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He's been recently demoted for not following his superior's orders. And Holdo tells him there is a plan, just not what that plan is. They just got caught by the FO fleet when they thought they were safely away, and while Poe assumes Leia is right about hyperspace tracking and that assumption is borne out, Holdo doesn't know how they were caught, so she has a pretty good motive for keeping the plan a secret. Imagine if Poe just blurted out her plan in front of the wrong person and jeopardized its success. Or don't imagine that because you can watch him do it in the movie.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Dropping that great setup and all its potential annoyed me even more than Rey Palpatine.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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Hence the big open canopies and windows everywhere.

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PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

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CainFortea posted:

gently caress that. D6 Star Wars system is superior in every way.

Ain't that the truth.

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