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Joss Whedon is a bad man who cheated on his wife for 20 years before abandoning her. drat him for bringing sexual perversion into the world of science fiction.
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# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 03:57 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 08:40 |
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Whedon’s great skill was to toy with but ultimately respect and perpetuate the ironclad tv conventions of pre-prestige era tv. He’d toy with naming a character in the opening credits and the killing them in the first episode because doing that would be breaking the rules of tv. Yet he could never truly innovate or leave the rules behind. He was truly made for the 90s.
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# ¿ Jan 29, 2020 14:47 |
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When he was trying to sell people on being in Dollhouse, was he just like “it’s a lighthearted sci-fi adventure show! You play a braindead whore who sucks and fucks in every episode!”
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2020 13:03 |
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It led with sci-fi horny instead of following the proud sci-fi tradition of shoehorning horny into an adventure premise. The apocalyptic future did have Scott Farkus from Christmas Story as a main character, though.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2020 13:23 |
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Roman Reigns posted:“She doesn’t like it when I call her a WHORE,” quips the hero as she stares at him indignantly. It’s because they were secretly in love with each other. Isn’t that so sweet?
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2020 17:32 |
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I liked that twitchy sweaty guy who knew Mal from the war and was smuggling organs. He had some good Adam Goldberg energy going on.
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2020 04:45 |
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Still obsessed with powerful young women and their dainty feet.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 22:20 |
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It’s weird that we live in a culture so hosed up that it’s impossible to know whether an old man who only makes tv shows about waifish young women who are powerful and also frequently brutalized and raped is the result of personal pathology or just usual tv market forces. But I feel like if you put all the women he likes to cast together in a lineup, you might notice some similarities that seem a little uncomfortable. Probably that’s also true of the women he hired for production and the writers’ room.
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# ¿ Feb 28, 2020 23:54 |
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frogge posted:I kinda want to try the board game. Also weird that a show filmed in Vancouver just couldn’t seem to find any Chinese actors to cast. Just bad luck I’m sure.
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2020 20:25 |
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Also this may not be entirely fair of me, but I can definitely see him being the type of guy who berates and criticizes his wife for not being feminist enough or diagnoses internalized misogyny when she disagrees with him.
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2020 20:29 |
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well why not posted:T2 and Aliens are both very appropriate to analyse as feminist works. True Lies too but It’s been a long time. His real name is Joe Hill Whedon. That he doesn’t go by that baller loving name shows that he is an enemy of the people and a devil.
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# ¿ Mar 3, 2020 00:43 |
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well why not posted:T2 and Aliens are both very appropriate to analyse as feminist works. True Lies too but It’s been a long time. When the show was on Fox had a message board for the show, and I guess to get people engaged they had the actors post on it and make threads and poo poo. Adam Baldwin posted the most out of everyone and there were hundreds of shocked replies when he posted about how George W Bush was a real American man who was going to liberate Iraq and he got so pissed off about Firefly fans being liberals that he quit posting. He even chased down one poster on the John Doe message board that Fox also made in order to berate that person. I think the other actors just posted the minimum number of required times and like posted banana bread recipes. Nathan Fillion posted about his favorite comic book store in Edmonton, Alberta. 2002 was weird.
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# ¿ Mar 3, 2020 04:12 |
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OSU_Matthew posted:After reading through the thread, I’m still not sure what the hate for the show really is, other than the terminally online being edgy? Unions are good, so it’s ok.
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# ¿ Mar 13, 2020 23:13 |
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Are there still fans?
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# ¿ Mar 14, 2020 00:59 |
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Sleeveless posted:One weird vestigial remnant of Firefly fandom is the meme of Fox always cancelling and mistreating their cult sci-fi shows. Like we got five seasons of Fringe and a third season of The Orville is on the way and I still hear the odd hurfing and durfing about how Fox never gives new shows a chance. I think that was more about the Friday Night Death Slot, which started in the mid 90s and lasted until probably Fringe. Firefly was just one of its more prominent victims.
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# ¿ Mar 15, 2020 18:44 |
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Tulip posted:Firefly and Buffy both got about 5 million viewers, which was perfectly fine for UPN, but Fox wanted much higher numbers (Fox's top show was pulling >20M if I'm reading Nielsen right). Whedon needed to get much, much worse in order to make a major mainstream success. Well I was certainly never home to watch it, though at the time I was more interested in where John Doe would go after its first season.
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# ¿ Mar 15, 2020 22:20 |
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QuarkJets posted:Imagine if you were arguing on the Something Awful forums about what a moron Donald Trump is and suddenly an account named Ted Danson shows up all "actually Donald Trump is an even bigger moron than you can possibly imagine, let me give you some personal anecdotes", and later that night you see an interview where Ted Danson is like "Oh yeah I love posting in GBS, I personally paid for Lowtax's new cyberpsine, by the way do you have stairs in your house?" Adam Baldwin was the first of the sunglasses-selfie-in-his-truck’s-driver’s-seat-avatar posters, so powerful that he started a decade before twitter even existed. Big divorced dad energy.
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# ¿ Mar 26, 2020 15:09 |
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BSG has aged poorly because it's extremely of its time and reflects a very specific cultural moment, like all good science fiction. Is there any decent science fiction that can't be immediately dated to a specific cultural context?
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# ¿ Apr 3, 2020 17:32 |
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mind the walrus posted:The "I want to show my poly friend how woke I am" Companion stuff is the worst I think this is best explained by him being a repeat john to high-end sex workers and really believing that they weren't just tolerating him in exchange for money/were actually doing it to pay for law school etc.
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# ¿ Jun 9, 2020 22:21 |
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It seems to me like Whedon’s star has fallen massively in the last five or so years. Is that actually true, or just a result of my own echo chambers? If it’s true, maybe he’s being abandoned by his protectors in the industry.
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# ¿ Jul 3, 2020 19:27 |
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What's this Warner investigation? Is he going to get sued or blacklisted or something? I'm sure there are tons more people with stories like that to tell.
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# ¿ Feb 10, 2021 19:54 |
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"Ok, Catwoman, right? But get this: she runs a brothel. With like a bondage basement."
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2021 15:51 |
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“You see, the series bible explains in more detail, but basically I made sure the show has both kinds of women. There is “mommy but sexy” and “sexy but not mommy” and I made a little chart with all the characters on it. Both do high kicks, so you’ll want to keep that chart handy to tell the difference.”
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 20:42 |
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"So we'll have some lighter episodes too, of course. Bat Mite for example will come along and make Batgirl grow to giant size. She'll be a giantess towering over the city and Joe Sweden as well, of course and-- Yes, Marti we've been over this. Her clothes and especially her boots and socks will be torn apart because clothes don't grow when magic transforms you into a perfect giant goddess who's embarrassed to be nude and so, so gigantic with her statuesque form just towering over everyone. But she'll also feel like mighty and, um, empowered? Yes! It will be empowering, which is my intention."
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# ¿ Feb 25, 2021 13:59 |
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mind the walrus posted:My phone pinged me with some Variety expose on all the Whedon crap, saying they canvassed about 40 people who worked on the shows and basically found nothing new that was terribly juicy. Seems to be exactly what it looks like-- a case of a privileged princeling being a douche because he could, leveraging verbal abuse on employees he didn't like because he knew he could get away with it, and using his "We're the feminist show!" reputation as a shield to keep them from rocking the boat. The only thing that stood out was that they couldn't get full details on what Tracthenberg meant specifically beyond "He's not allowed in a room alone with [her] again" besides "there was an inappropriate verbal exchange" which could honestly mean a lot of things and none good. I liked the Cosby Show when I was a kid, but I sure don't miss it now and I'm glad to see it gone. To each their own, but I don't think I could watch Whedon's shows again because I'd spend the whole time thinking about how they're just an alibi to let him get away with horrible things.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2021 01:10 |
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It’s worth noticing that Morena Baccarin, Jewel Staite, and Gina Torres did not show up. I don’t know what they had going on in 2012, but it seems like at least one could have made it if they really wanted.
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# ¿ Feb 28, 2021 05:14 |
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Sanguinia posted:I thought that was just the Orientalist Sinophilia running through Firefly generally. "Concubines of incredible financial and political power that move in the circles of the elite and bend them to their will through feminine whiles and ruthless intellect IN SPAAAAAAAACE." Well, where do you expect them to find an Asian actor in...[checks notes]...Vancouver?
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2021 23:47 |
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Did we mention that in the episode where Morena Baccarin contemplates what appears to be a suicide pill, Joss is sure to explain in the dvd commentary that it’s a special poison that will kill anyone who has sex with her, and that the scene in that episode was meant to set up a later episode where the ship is attacked and the rest of the crew come back to find it full of dead marauders and a weeping Morena Baccarin with her clothes all torn up because she beat them by taking the sex murder pill right before they all raped her, thus selflessly saving the crew by allowing herself to be brutalized to a comical degree?
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# ¿ Mar 7, 2021 06:39 |
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mind the walrus posted:Eh, I'll be honest and say that part of it is that while Dollhouse's cast had some ringers in Enver Gjokaj and Dichan Lachman, they weren't conventionally white enough and the leads who got the lion's share of screen time were the very definition of "LA C-List." Meanwhile Firefly had Juilliard graduate Alan Tudyk, alongside anchors like Nathan Fillion, Gina Torres, Summer Glau, Morena Baccharin, and even Adam Baldwin who all had real chemistry on-screen together. I will not stand for this Olivia Williams erasure. If only she hadn’t been cast as the head pimp in a human trafficking operation.
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# ¿ Mar 7, 2021 06:41 |
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Animal Friend posted:Whedon used to stage regular Shakespeare readings at his house and invite all the actors on his shows to them. it's the reason he eventually filmed a version of Much Ado About Nothing at his own home. It is kind of telling that none of the name-brand talent from any of his shows ever participated, like maybe that was how he found a pool of people who felt they couldn't afford to refuse from which to draw his victims. It definitely seems like a way to divide a large group of people against each other as well--separate some off and tell them they're special while giving the cold shoulder to others. I'm sure that if someone has been in Hollywood for a little while, they learn that "come over to my house and we'll read Shakespeare" is more likely than not a sex thing and something to be avoided if they have the star power to not depend on one person for their future work.
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# ¿ Mar 8, 2021 15:00 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 08:40 |
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I love that devil mask guy who goes "anna wanna wanga!" Better than anything in Firefly by far.
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# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 06:22 |