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I think people are over reacting to Targon atm. Except for Hush. Hush is bullshit.
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Watching someone stream just now and their opponent got sol to flip, then just spent forever cycling through free celestial cards and invokes, two living legends and all kinds of other nonsense until the streamer got bored waiting for the winning attack and surrendered and I think that's basically the intended play pattern they're going for - people think it's cool when they get a big moment of styling on their opponent, so if every single game ended that way then it'd be the best ccg ever 
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Aug 28, 2020 22:06
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Phayray posted:That's my experience so far as well. It's fun (but a lot of long games) if I'm playing the new cards, and not very fun if I'm playing against them, because there's just an insane amount of value packed into the new stuff; it feels bad not using it. The Warning Shot + Jagged Butcher combo feels completely underwhelming when Targon can drop a 3/3 and 3/6 on turns 1 and 2, respectively, with 2 cards instead of 3. Same deal with Invoke, where you can put in-hand a cheap 4/1 overwhelm on turn 1 then smack your opponent for 5 on turn 2. Deep still goes online a lot faster than the late game monstrosities Targon offers, I don't think it will suddenly become irrelevant. Again, I think Targon just has too much built-in stalling with powerful early game cards that scale well + lots of healing, and I'm guessing they're going to work on that.
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Aug 28, 2020 22:07
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I'm trying to figure out if this is a bug or an interaction I'm not understanding. I've tried to use Guiding Touch on a Slotbot that had 'damage' (red health) but it doesn't heal it, just draws the card. I'm guessing that's working correctly but the Slotbot's health shouldn't be showing as red?
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Aug 28, 2020 23:18
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Sloppy posted:I'm trying to figure out if this is a bug or an interaction I'm not understanding. I've tried to use Guiding Touch on a Slotbot that had 'damage' (red health) but it doesn't heal it, just draws the card. I'm guessing that's working correctly but the Slotbot's health shouldn't be showing as red? A unit that has taken damage on it's turn will remain in the damaged state until it is healed to it's max health. Might be a bug. Are you sure you healed it to the health it had at beginning of turn?
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Aug 29, 2020 02:39
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That’s a visual bug with Slotbot’s effect. His health shows as red if he rolls it lower than his base health even if he has no damage taken. Also for those talking about the Targon Control package being busted I’m hearing streamers and sundry beating it with actually good Aggro decks like MF Scouts and aggressive midrange like Nocturne/Diana or Leona/Diana. Of course if they stumble their start then A Sol wins but that’s usually how control beats Aggro. I think what’s happening is we haven’t had an actually good control/ramp deck in Legends ever and so now that one exists it’s putting pressure on the parts of the game that have otherwise been completely free. If they nerf anything from Targon I expect it to be some of the Daybreak cards, not the healing or Celestials. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Aug 29, 2020 04:06
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I mean, the high end stuff is completely in line with the rest of the game's philosophy that once a match goes beyond turn 8 balance goes out the window but the celestial cards absolutely need a nerf - "it's random which ones you get to pick from" doesn't in any way justify how obnoxious some of them are. They also really need to come up with a way for you to check the possible draws from invoke in-game.
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Aug 29, 2020 04:57
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Pilchenstein posted:I mean, the high end stuff is completely in line with the rest of the game's philosophy that once a match goes beyond turn 8 balance goes out the window but the celestial cards absolutely need a nerf - "it's random which ones you get to pick from" doesn't in any way justify how obnoxious some of them are. They also really need to come up with a way for you to check the possible draws from invoke in-game. It's not that balance goes out the window, it's that post turn 8 control decks start playing their finishers which are meant to be hard to come back from because you've had 3-4 turns of attack to take them down. That's how control decks work, they hold on until late game and win through a finisher. You do not want to ever play against the control deck that has no finisher and instead just continues to control until one player runs out of cards, those are way way worse feeling. Also all the Celestial cards that are kill spells are slow, if they're doing a bunch of invoking just attack at the start of your turn with what you have instead of opening yourself up to their slow speed removal.
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Aug 29, 2020 05:22
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Lord_Magmar posted:It's not that balance goes out the window, it's that post turn 8 control decks start playing their finishers which are meant to be hard to come back from because you've had 3-4 turns of attack to take them down. That's how control decks work, they hold on until late game and win through a finisher. Also "just open attack lol" is completely asinine - you have to develop units at some point and it's not as if the issue with the celestial cards is only "some of the removal is good", they're overpowered cards by design and I don't think "you can't plan on using overpowered card X, you might have to figure out how to win with overpowered card Y instead" is enough of a counterbalance.
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Aug 29, 2020 05:56
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Pilchenstein posted:People keep on saying this as if the late game finishers exist in a vacuum where control decks do nothing until they play them or that "just play aggro and win really quickly" isn't something that had half this thread gnashing and wailing when it was prominent in the meta :v: People were mad when aggro was a completely uninteractive experience. A choice between take three damage now or take two damage and go down a card is lovely balance. MF scouts is still a T1 deck and no one has complained.
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Aug 29, 2020 06:22
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Burn was awful because it needed like, five combat damage tops to win. After that it had enough burn to outright kill you regardless of board state, and we lacked the healing we have now. So your strategy was to pray you never lose control of the board or hope they don’t drawn enough burn before they totally lose the board and die. It sucked.
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Aug 29, 2020 07:14
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Pilchenstein posted:People keep on saying this as if the late game finishers exist in a vacuum where control decks do nothing until they play them or that "just play aggro and win really quickly" isn't something that had half this thread gnashing and wailing when it was prominent in the meta You build your board when they’re spending mana actually invoking the “overpowered” minions, which for the record off the top of my head only 3 of them actually have better stats than their cost would normally give. Two of which are the 0 drop and 1 drop who both have much higher attack than units of their cost, and the Sisters who give a lot of stats relative to their cost. The top end are all very strong but they’re also two turns of investment for a single card more often than not. Invoke if it’s playing the minions is inherently the slowest deck in the game because every Celestial takes another card to even exist. If you can’t out aggro and build a board against 1/2 do nothing but set up later turns as an aggro deck your aggro deck is bad. Off the top of my head they should probably make the Troll Enlightened heal card minions only. Now in all fairness, I do think it will get nerfed or the Targon Healing Package will get nerfed but don’t expect it to stop doing the gameplay it does now, that’s how the deck is meant to work it might just be a little too good at what it does. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Aug 29, 2020 07:48
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Pants Donkey posted:Burn was awful because it needed like, five combat damage tops to win. After that it had enough burn to outright kill you regardless of board state, and we lacked the healing we have now. So your strategy was to pray you never lose control of the board or hope they don’t drawn enough burn before they totally lose the board and die. It sucked. Also "we lacked the healing we have now" is an interesting point because a lot of the stuff in targon's early game feels like it was designed to be the perfect counter to the old nox aggro, maybe.
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Aug 29, 2020 07:50
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Oh I definitely think they built the Targon stuff in response to the old burn aggro list and didn’t correct it after the changes.
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Aug 29, 2020 07:58
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Has anyone been experimenting with Lulu support aggro? I like how it feels in the Lab, but obviously the Lab decks are bad and are fighting other bad decks so it may not be indicative. I haven't been playing this game regularly so I don't have enough resources to craft a brand new deck blind.
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Aug 29, 2020 08:15
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Clarste posted:Has anyone been experimenting with Lulu support aggro? I like how it feels in the Lab, but obviously the Lab decks are bad and are fighting other bad decks so it may not be indicative.
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Aug 29, 2020 08:55
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Lord_Magmar posted:You do not want to ever play against the control deck that has no finisher and instead just continues to control until one player runs out of cards, those are way way worse feeling. Hearthstone was full of those types of (warrior) decks and my only solace is that those guys would queue into eachother and have 1 hour long games that went into draws.
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Aug 29, 2020 10:40
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Megasabin posted:I know many of you don't like expedition. It's the only game I mode I play though and I found it quite well balanced before this patch. There were multiple viable deck types and I generally had close interesting games. Support spam and Daybreak are also good so at least there are multiple play styles, but the Targon stuff is on a different power level. It’s like an MTG limited where one color has twice as many bombs, and cards from a more powerful set. All the stuff feels fun to use though.
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Aug 29, 2020 10:52
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I'm guessing my old favorite deck of The Undying championless is 100% dead if Hush is completely meta dominating right now.
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Aug 29, 2020 22:19
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My biggest takeaway so far is A) Hush is so gonna get nerfed B) Daybreak package in general is way strong, especially Leona and C) Nightfall kind of sucks. I haven't even seen Ezreal yet but the idea of gems and him seem nightmare strong, not looking forward to running into it. ASoL seems pretty balanced, all things considered, feels like you can easily smash him down before he appears.
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Aug 30, 2020 00:05
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Honestly, the only really good nightfall stuff seems to be the ones that grant things permanently. And of course the cantripping buff.
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Aug 30, 2020 00:36
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What are some decks you all are running? Haven't really tapped into anything new yet.
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Aug 30, 2020 02:07
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Hearthstone was full of those types of (warrior) decks and my only solace is that those guys would queue into eachother and have 1 hour long games that went into draws. LoR desperately needs an armor mechanic so I can go back to my old ways of building decks designed to simply play forever.
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Aug 30, 2020 10:51
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Whitenoise Poster posted:LoR desperately needs an armor mechanic so I can go back to my old ways of building decks designed to simply play forever. Thankfully, unlike fatigue Legends of Runeterra has decking out a be an actual lose condition.
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Aug 30, 2020 11:26
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Hey everyone! I haven't played LoR since shortly after release, though I farmed up a decent collection of the base set. I have about enough wildcards and coins to buy one deck to start grinding with. I know the meta is probably still relatively undefined but are there any super scary decks I should be wary of or just craft outright? I'll be farming for meta cards from both of the expansions so I want to be careful that I don't craft something that's garbage and loses outright to some secret sauce new hotness. FWIW, if nobody has any recommendations I'm just going to craft this Diana/Nocturne aggro thing that Mogwai is currently playing.
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Aug 30, 2020 20:56
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Strawberry Panda posted:What are some decks you all are running? Haven't really tapped into anything new yet. I think my favorite all-rounder deck so far is Braum/Leona CIAQUAYJC4NBWHBJGZGFMWDAAIAQCAIJAMBQSE2UKUAQEAYJGNLQ The early daybreak drops are great for stopping a lot of early game threats dead in their tracks so you rely on them and your champions to stall them even more. Ideally you want to keep as many of them alive on the board as you can because it synergizes well with Leona's champion spell that re-triggers daybreak. Once you get to the mid-late game you start trying for the bigger invokes. The number of 3 drops in this deck could probably stand to be cut somehow and I dropped a braum because I kept getting clogged hands but other than that the deck has been pretty solid for me. Swaim/Leona CIBQCAIDFYCAEAYBA4EASBIDBENBYNSYMABQCAIDAQAQEAYDAMBQSEYXKYAA This is basically just the old control swain with the daybreak package. You throw out a huge amount of stuns which work well with flock and getting swain's ability off. Might want to replace bastion with Hush. Also sunburst is dope as hell in general. There's just so many valuable targets in this game that it just cleanly removes. Swim's Trundle/Aurelion ramp CEBQIAYJCVKFMVYEAEAQYFAVEEBAGAIGBABAEAYJC5KQEAYBAQCQEAIDAEBACAIBGI Basically you mulligan hard for trundle and some ramp you can play on turn 3 and try to survive to get Aurelion off. If he flips you're probably going to win. There's a bunch of aoe spells and heals so there's a lot of situations you can wiggle your way out of.
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Aug 30, 2020 22:46
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DrManiac posted:Also sunburst is dope as hell in general. There's just so many valuable targets in this game that it just cleanly removes. I keep making the exact same mistake of thinking "oh, they're using direct damage removal, I'd better respond by buffing the target's health- wait, it just silenced them first, oops." Clarste fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Aug 30, 2020 22:52
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Clarste posted:I keep making the exact same mistake of thinking "oh, they're using direct damage removal, I'd better respond by buffed the target's health- wait, it just silenced them first, oops." I won 3 expedition games in a row off my opponent making this mistake, poo poo's hilarious.
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Aug 30, 2020 22:58
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Edit: nm
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Aug 30, 2020 23:02
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DrManiac posted:I think my favorite all-rounder deck so far is Braum/Leona Thanks! Built the first deck. Need to save up a few more shards to build the others.
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Aug 30, 2020 23:47
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can confirm swain/leona is good af, been using it a lot this past week
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Aug 31, 2020 01:48
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I don't think its op but invoke not telling you what cards your opponent has is a real feel bad.
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Aug 31, 2020 12:02
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Winning a game because your opponent forgot Hush works on Champs.
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Aug 31, 2020 21:55
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DrManiac posted:Swaim/Leona Hey, thanks for the useful post. Anyway I'm highly interested in Swain Leona, but I see 0 healings for you. Is this not an issue? Diamond+ is currently full of highly optimized aggro lists. Currently I'm cutting your 1-drop Spacers to be replaced with Starshaping, but haven't tested yet. Also how good is Culling Strike really? Very minimal amount of targets in the meta at the moment, even aggro stuff has multiple 4+ power stuff now.
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Sep 1, 2020 02:34
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Elise Noxus spiders is a very good aggro deck ATM.
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srulz posted:Hey, thanks for the useful post. Anyway I'm highly interested in Swain Leona, but I see 0 healings for you. Is this not an issue? Diamond+ is currently full of highly optimized aggro lists. I run cull as a one off for a third fervor but culling strike is really good against ez targ decks. Not convinced that Leona/swain is as good as tf/swain but its very fun
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Sep 1, 2020 05:24
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Sedisp posted:I don't think its op but invoke not telling you what cards your opponent has is a real feel bad. Invoke allowing control to shape a sideboard in real-time in a game without sideboards is definitely a thing.
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Sep 1, 2020 06:27
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Clarste posted:I keep making the exact same mistake of thinking "oh, they're using direct damage removal, I'd better respond by buffing the target's health- wait, it just silenced them first, oops." I made the mistake of using the spell on an enemy with spell shield thinking the silence would break it and then I could do 6 damage on it. Turns out it doesn't
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Sep 1, 2020 13:10
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While I think Eternal did it best[*], the Discovery/Market/Celestial mechanic does a really good job of bringing some of the value of a sideboard to a Bof1 game. The main problem is that Invoke is a 1-region mechanic. [*] In Eternal, you have a market of 5 cards that you build as part of your deck that you can access with Merchant cards and other effects. So, it's much more like a sideboard than Invoke.
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when markets were introduced they were kind of cancerous since they were basically guaranteed draws for your most important cards and maybe a couple tech cards. i think i heard that they changed it and you can only put cards that arent in your main deck into your market now but i havent played it in awhile.
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