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Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...


Star Wars made up nonsense lightsaber fighting styles (forms) as if anyone watching the movies can tell there's a difference. Mostly talked about a lot in weird or noncanon novels in the franchise for nerds who love mystical-sounding martial art styles that pretend to have a real rock-paper-scissors aspect to it. Anyway I've summed them up for everyone:

Form I: ooga booga me caveman learn to swing sword
Form II: Oh there's other swordsmen, duel at high noon
Form III: Can't touch this...but neither can I
Form IV: Swing really hard and fast bro
Form V: Chad form, deflect bullets, hold lightsaber gangsta style
Form VI: Use the force to do cool flipz and trickz
Form VII: The Samuel L. Jackson form, I'm not kidding he's the only one who can use this one

Anyway I haven't gone that deep into it besides learning the stuff that actually stuck in the main movies. Like how Obi-Wan uses form 3 and that's why he does his weird like closed two-finger pointing when fighting, and that only Sam Jackson mastered tHe BeStEsT foRm #7 and that's why he was the best fighter ever (you have to be like, hella strong in ur mind too to resist going to the dark side when using form 7).

Please tell me more summed up stories of dumb lightsaber form details from any side novels or whatever you've read, or just anything about people trying to practice real lightsaber fighting irl besides star_wars_kid.mov. I mean, I really do legit enjoy watching Star Wars lightsaber fights so if there's any cool poo poo you've found, please share them.

Good old stuff: All of the Clone Wars animation (2003) by Genndy Tartakovsky. Still my favorite thing out of Star Wars. Here's why everyone loves Grievous

Good new stuff: This trailer is for Galaxy of Adventures which is a series of retelling shorts coming...??? Says its coming to the Star Wars Kids youtube channel but it looks really good. Trailer is full of lightsaber fightin'

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Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
Lore of 7th form is dumb as gently caress.

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

form 6 is supposed to be the well balanced all arounder form but apparently its also bad at deflecting lasers and i thought that was dumb as gently caress

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Best subtle lightsaber form lore is in Rebels when Obi-Wan imitates Qui Gon's lightsaber form and uses it to bait Maul into trying the same thing he did on Naboo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeG215-yu-k

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

I like whatever style Darth Vader uses where you just go apeshit. When he’s murking those Rebels at the end of Rogue One and he’s just going nuts with crazy one-handed overhead swings. Get their asses.

Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...

Galewolf posted:

Lore of 7th form is dumb as gently caress.
iirc they said form 7 was named by a person who saw a space squid that attacked so fast with its tentacles they named the form after the creature lol. Mostly notable as a juicy story macguffin for people to fall to the dark side because you attack so crazy using this form it makes you think like a killer

Roth posted:

Best subtle lightsaber form lore is in Rebels when Obi-Wan imitates Qui Gon's lightsaber form and uses it to bait Maul into trying the same thing he did on Naboo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeG215-yu-k
I disown new Clone Wars but that's pretty cool ngl

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Willsun posted:

Please tell me more summed up stories of dumb lightsaber form details from any side novels or whatever you've read, or just anything about people trying to practice real lightsaber fighting irl besides star_wars_kid.mov. I mean, I really do legit enjoy watching Star Wars lightsaber fights so if there's any cool poo poo you've found, please share them.

Star Wars fans have made some legitimately movie-esque lightsaber fights. I'm not sure how many are following lightsaber lore but it looks about right. Here's a compilation of 'em.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8bzRU_SrKA

Roth posted:

Best subtle lightsaber form lore is in Rebels when Obi-Wan imitates Qui Gon's lightsaber form and uses it to bait Maul into trying the same thing he did on Naboo

I didn't think much of the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons, the animation style just wasn't my cup of tea and my mental picture of the Clone Wars was more Tartakovsky than what it turned out. That moment was legitimately great though.

Voting Floater
May 19, 2019

Dun Moch: the art of poo poo talking your opponent. Because Darth Vader does that all the time so obviously it had to be a legit lightsaber combat technique and not just him being an rear end in a top hat.

Asgerd
May 6, 2012

I worked up a powerful loneliness in my massive bed, in the massive dark.
Grimey Drawer
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shiak

The ancient mystical technique of "stab"

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Asgerd posted:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shiak

The ancient mystical technique of "stab"

Padawan: How do I use the lightsaber Master Yoda?

Yoda:

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
I have been practicing kendo, on and off for over 12 years now and I have to say some of the stances were heavily influenced (or maybe straight up borrowed) from kendo/kenjutsu. The Obi-Wan vs Dart Maul fight scene in the Rebels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeG215-yu-k) has two stances straight out of kendo:

1-) At 1:18 mark, The front stance, tip pointing towards opponents throat is chudan-no-kamae. In the video, Obi-Wan points the tip of the lightsaber a little bit higher but still it's the textbook "balanced" stance. Good for offense and defense, no particular weakness but still offensively strong (especially if you are attacking hands or throat). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%ABdan-no-kamae)

2-) At 1:20 Obi-Wan switches to hasso-no-kamae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hass%C5%8D-no-kamae) , which is considered an agressive stance. Rarely, if ever, used in modern kendo matches except some turbo nerds (might be much effective in an actual sword fight)

3-) For the jodan-no-kamae (overhead stance) Anakin and Count Dooku both use (briefly) a close-to-proper jodan stances during the Attack of the Clones final battle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlRJLcy8NsA (1:50 mark). Yoda also starts with hasso kamae at 3:32.

Original Trilogy lightsaber stances are not that smooth but all follow the mentality of "if you gonna get cut by a lightsaber, you gon die" which is pretty much the same with actual katana duels.

The sequel lightsaber fights feel more fencing/hema rather than MY HANZO STEEL. Kylo Ren uses wide and unnecessary swings and most of the time hunches while Rey straight up swings the lightsaber like a baseball bat. In the Force Awakens, Finn uses the lightsaber in hasso kamae twice which is kinda crazy to do with something so dangerous like a lightsaber. Kylo Ren many times uses what I can call as a fencing/sabre stance by holding the crossguard saber in front of him raised with one hand.

I mean, there is a chance that I might be a collosal nerd and original star wars and jedi stuff made me learn kendo in my later years
:goonsay:

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Galewolf posted:

I mean, there is a chance that I might be a collosal nerd

i feel like this is an unnecessary note to add to a good post in the dedicated star wars subforum of the somethingawful forums

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

I hadn’t seen that Obi-Wan vs Maul fight before, that’s cool. I like how fast it’s over, it reminds me of the old school Toshiro Mifune sort of samurai movies, where every single swing is lethal

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!

Cease to Hope posted:

i feel like this is an unnecessary note to add to a good post in the dedicated star wars subforum of the somethingawful forums

In drunk Mike Stoklasa voice: "How embarrassing" :cripes:

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!

Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

I hadn’t seen that Obi-Wan vs Maul fight before, that’s cool. I like how fast it’s over, it reminds me of the old school Toshiro Mifune sort of samurai movies, where every single swing is lethal

It was a redeeming scene after lightsaber helicopters (for fucks sake): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sOvNYYH6Cs

elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

Though the battle might be endless, I will never give up

Galewolf posted:

I mean, there is a chance that I might be a collosal nerd and original star wars and jedi stuff made me learn kendo in my later years
:goonsay:

its good poo poo, thanks

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

elf help book posted:

its good poo poo, thanks

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
Why thank you, my fellow War Stars Thread friends :shobon:

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Fallen Rib
There's no wrong way to hold a lightsaber.

Lightsabers are fictional and they take place in a fictional universe where anyone can do anything because it's fiction and knowing HEMA doesn't qualify you for anything.
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THAT BEING SAID THERE IS A WRONG WAY TO HOLD A LIGHTSABER AND IT'S LIKE THIS:


gently caress OFF WITH YOUR BULLSHIT WHOEVER THOGUHT THIS poo poo UP. loving SHITBRAIN!
loving NARUTO WORSHIPING NERD

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

I hadn’t seen that Obi-Wan vs Maul fight before, that’s cool. I like how fast it’s over, it reminds me of the old school Toshiro Mifune sort of samurai movies, where every single swing is lethal

Honestly lightsaber fights should have a lot less swinging around and flips and more stuff like that.

El Generico
Feb 3, 2009

Nobody outrules the Marquise de Cat!
usukaiken style favours powerful but slow horizontal strikes

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
I like that they gave Dooku a cool curved lightsaber handle, because Christopher Lee was an actual fencer and that's more akin to how those swords are built.

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Willsun posted:

Good new stuff: This trailer is for Galaxy of Adventures which is a series of retelling shorts coming...??? Says its coming to the Star Wars Kids youtube channel but it looks really good. Trailer is full of lightsaber fightin'

There’s a bunch of these out on YouTube already, they’re all minute long montages about characters or embellished/shortened fight scenes. The animation is pretty good at least


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAM3SX7ZVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgSR08ODsdw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Xn9zWJTvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzRNApke7H8

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

dudeness posted:

There's no wrong way to hold a lightsaber.

Lightsabers are fictional and they take place in a fictional universe where anyone can do anything because it's fiction and knowing HEMA doesn't qualify you for anything.
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THAT BEING SAID THERE IS A WRONG WAY TO HOLD A LIGHTSABER AND IT'S LIKE THIS:


gently caress OFF WITH YOUR BULLSHIT WHOEVER THOGUHT THIS poo poo UP. loving SHITBRAIN!
loving NARUTO WORSHIPING NERD

don't be dissin' lightsaber Form 69!

Guttlesswonder
Mar 17, 2006

I'll take two adult and two kids tickets for "Alien Erection" please
Tràkata is a thing. The Judo of laser sword battles.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Roth posted:

Best subtle lightsaber form lore is in Rebels when Obi-Wan imitates Qui Gon's lightsaber form and uses it to bait Maul into trying the same thing he did on Naboo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeG215-yu-k

this scene is so dope

rebels got really good by the end

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!

El Generico posted:

usukaiken style favours powerful but slow horizontal strikes

Quoting this because that video is just pure goldmine and I'm gonna watch it again.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Galewolf posted:

Quoting this because that video is just pure goldmine and I'm gonna watch it again.

what video

Blister
Sep 8, 2000

Hair Elf
lightsabers were a bigger mistake than midichlorians for star wars


swords but for pg rated movies

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

So. Luke being mad at just beating down mercilessly on Darth Vader in Jedi what would that be?

halokiller
Dec 28, 2008

Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves


Blister posted:

lightsabers were a bigger mistake than midichlorians for star wars


swords but for pg rated movies

Jedi Knight games got it right with the dismemberment code. A lightsaber should be hacking limbs and body parts off like a knife thru butter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODgCjJp6SQk

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!

Pollyanna posted:

what video

You're in such a treat:

https://youtu.be/FVzc20Bm8Xo

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
I always liked Starkiller’s reverse Lightsaber style, it seemed cool and very unique and I preferred ninjutsu to kendo style.

I dug in DEEP to all the lightsaber battles in Star Wars, I’ve watched everyone a couple times at least in the last few months, and my favorite one is probably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaVYu0LPsSU

I don’t know if it’s style per se’ or if it’s just substance but it took me 3 viewings before I realized that Darth Sidious doesn’t ever look at who he is fighting. His movements are so fast and fluid without appearing to be reactive. He is dictating the terms of every blow via precognition, he already knows what his opponents next move is, he can see it in his mind, and has no need for his eyes when his mastery of force sensitivity and telepathy is that clear. It’s a cool way of representing how the force can impact lightsaber dueling beyond simply making you stronger and faster. I noticed it when I realized how intensely Maul and Savage were staring at him and he never bothered to meet their gaze.

Top 3 are probably
Maul vs Sidious
Maul vs Obi-Wan
Maul vs Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan

What I’m saying is Darth Maul is the best character.

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
Dats a gud fite, I agree. I especially dig the Sacking of Jedi Temple by Mandalorians mural in the background.

Savage Opress is one of the dumbest names ever but I LOVE IT.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames

Galewolf posted:

Dats a gud fite, I agree. I especially dig the Sacking of Jedi Temple by Mandalorians mural in the background.

Savage Opress is one of the dumbest names ever but I LOVE IT.

Bust Rodd posted:

I don't really know anything about the characters here but I appreciate how Savage Oppress becomes more competent and aggressive as the series progresses, and the show does a good job of keeping each combatants fighting styles distinct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s3x8ox2ToE

Here's Maul taking down the head of Death Watch no sweat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEu_U78XFg4

Yeah honestly I do not feel the need to watch 20 hours of CGI cartoons but these fight scenes are almost objectively better than the ones we got in the films.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

Seems like cheating to pull out guns and flamethrowers and gadgets and poo poo in your noble warrior honor duel. Should be a DQ imo

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!

Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

Seems like cheating to pull out guns and flamethrowers and gadgets and poo poo in your noble warrior honor duel. Should be a DQ imo

I actually love that throne room fight as Pre Vizsla uses all his arsenal because one on one melee against a force user is like a deathwish, let alone against Darth fuckin' Maul.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Bust Rodd posted:

I always liked Starkiller’s reverse Lightsaber style, it seemed cool and very unique and I preferred ninjutsu to kendo style.

I dug in DEEP to all the lightsaber battles in Star Wars, I’ve watched everyone a couple times at least in the last few months, and my favorite one is probably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaVYu0LPsSU

It really bugs me because in the opening of the fight where Sideous locks sabers with the two of them all Maul's brother had to do was slash upwards with the reverse blade and the fight would have been over.

E:

It's still a good fight, that just stood out to me.

Who What Now fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jan 25, 2020

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
if i were a jedi i would simply get a longer lightsaber

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Darkman Fanpage posted:

if i were a jedi i would simply get a longer lightsaber

why does this jedi, with the largest lightsaber, not simply eat the others?

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