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Its hosed up they are just constantly killing millions of people in star trek
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I always wondered how come they didn't just keep a backup copy of the command staff in the transport buffer at all times. Oh, picard got trapped in a cave? No big deal, just materialize the backup copy out of the transport buffer and onto the bridge Make it so, transporter chief o'brien
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Jan 26, 2020 05:46
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space god knows to put your soul back in the body the transporter creates rather then sending you to space heaven/hell (whichever is more appropriate in your case)
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Jan 26, 2020 05:51
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Jan 26, 2020 07:44
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Poopernickel posted:I always wondered how come they didn't just keep a backup copy of the command staff in the transport buffer at all times. Takes a poo poo ton of power.
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Jan 26, 2020 08:24
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Beam me up Scotty, and while you are at it give me a couple extra inches
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Jan 26, 2020 08:26
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i don't recall Jason Statham copying anyone in any of the transporter movies OP
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Jan 26, 2020 09:04
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hakimashou posted:Its hosed up they are just constantly killing millions of people in star trek yeah why don't they take the stairs
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Jan 26, 2020 10:03
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hakimashou posted:Its hosed up they are just constantly killing millions of people in star trek souls aren’t real OP
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Jan 26, 2020 13:34
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CainFortea posted:Takes a poo poo ton of power. Scotty kept himself in the transport buffer on his jank-rear end ship for like 50 years so it's 100% doable "Let the borg have him, we've got a backup copy"
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Jan 26, 2020 15:43
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Poopernickel posted:Scotty kept himself in the transport buffer on his jank-rear end ship for like 50 years so it's 100% doable Scotty and the pilot of the ship he was on went into the buffer, only scotty came out. There have been other episodes where they had to keep people in the buffer for a few hours and the signal was degrading.
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Jan 26, 2020 17:12
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the smartest star trek character was that lady who was the enterprise's doctor for season 2 of tng because she didn't trust the teleporter and always took shuttles instead
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Jan 26, 2020 17:17
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This is a real important topic because I 100% agree this is true and I've also had nerds tell me with total conviction that it absolutely doesn't matter because from the universe's perspective I never died and also harry kim said he felt like he had a consciousness in the transporter or some poo poo one time.
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Jan 26, 2020 17:23
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do you guys remember the one where broccoli reached out of the transporter stream and grabbed onto some squiggly aliens? like how does that even work
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Jan 26, 2020 18:54
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vyelkin posted:the smartest star trek character was that lady who was the enterprise's doctor for season 2 of tng because she didn't trust the teleporter and always took shuttles instead she was in TOS also, joining the ranks of scotty, bones, and majel barrett 
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Jan 26, 2020 18:55
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you are just an incredibly complex chemical computer. if we accept the transporter is able to put individual atoms back where they belong, even mid reaction, then "you" are getting transported each time
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Jan 26, 2020 18:56
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Poopernickel posted:she was in TOS also, joining the ranks of scotty, bones, and majel barrett wait polaski was in tos???
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Jan 26, 2020 18:57
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you are just an incredibly complex chemical computer. More like a meat android
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Jan 26, 2020 18:57
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Raskolnikov38 posted:wait polaski was in tos??? a couple of times as different characters, yeah
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Jan 26, 2020 18:58
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Poopernickel posted:a couple of times as different characters, yeah oh i thought it was going to be the same character and i somehow missed that for 20 years of watching trek
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Jan 26, 2020 18:58
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on the one hand, sweet embrace of death, so that's a plus on the other, some other poor innocent soul has to live the rest of my lovely life, questionable morally to put someone through that
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Jan 26, 2020 19:37
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Correct OP but in Star Trek land they have souls, aka "neural engrams", which solves the problem and allow the transporter to just be a production budget friendly way of putting characters elsewhere without having to show a shuttle launching each time. Except for the episodes where they gently caress up and make an episode about the plot convenience device, like that time Riker got duplicated, which shows that it is a hosed up device indeed.
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Jan 26, 2020 20:12
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Angepain posted:on the one hand, sweet embrace of death, so that's a plus Consider also that a transporter accident could cause someone to become combined with you. A fate worse than death.
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Jan 26, 2020 20:26
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reignofevil posted:This is a real important topic because I 100% agree this is true and I've also had nerds tell me with total conviction that it absolutely doesn't matter because from the universe's perspective I never died and also harry kim said he felt like he had a consciousness in the transporter or some poo poo one time. yeah ive had actual irl conversations with people about this before and someone once tried to tell me it didn't matter because to everyone else i would still be me and therefore i still exist as me and im like that's not the point
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Jan 26, 2020 20:43
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This entire moral headache goes away if you just do away with the disintegration part of using the transporter and your society commits to having an army of clones.
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Jan 26, 2020 20:51
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There is no self, continuity of being is an illusion IMO
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Jan 26, 2020 20:52
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vyelkin posted:yeah ive had actual irl conversations with people about this before and someone once tried to tell me it didn't matter because to everyone else i would still be me and therefore i still exist as me and im like that's not the point People who say this tend to adhere to the incorrect idea that consciousness is an illusion and that "they" do not really exist, which is quite Buddhist in a grossly oversimplified way. Riker 2 is anatta.
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Jan 26, 2020 20:57
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you are just an incredibly complex chemical computer. if we accept the transporter is able to put individual atoms back where they belong, even mid reaction, then "you" are getting transported each time Individual atoms don't have identity, there's no such thing as the 'same' atoms. Its like if a madman killed you with two big knives and chopped you up a bunch, but then a doctor on another planet went to the meat market and bought enough meat to make a copy of you out of meat somehow. You didnt get teleported to the other planet, the guy there just made a copy of you after you died.
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Jan 26, 2020 21:38
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hakimashou posted:Individual atoms don't have identity, there's no such thing as the 'same' atoms. the star trek transporter specifically sends you back in a matter stream so that its whatever atoms in whatever space you occupied being moved to a different space
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Jan 26, 2020 21:45
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The only transporter I would accept would be Jesus Christ enveloping me in a miracle envelope, licking a massive astral stamp and affixing it to my forehead and then direct mailing me straight to the lazarrian topless beach world
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Jan 26, 2020 21:47
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the star trek transporter specifically sends you back in a matter stream so that its whatever atoms in whatever space you occupied being moved to a different space I'm not sure why the specific atoms are important. If you were eaten by some giant otherworldly being, then reconstituted from it's excrement from the exact atoms going in, you would undergo a very similar process to the Star Trek teleporter. Yet in this case it is clear you died, and a new you reconstructed. It's a tough philosophical question.
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Jan 26, 2020 22:02
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Imo they must have either tricked everyone by killing them with a transporter already or else all accept Parfitian ideas about identity for the transporter to be as popular as it is. Tricking people is easy, like at school every kid gets transported then they ask "so did you die" and they are like "no."
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one day i think in my teens i just decided the solution to consciousness was that i died pretty much every moment or two and every new thought was just a new spark of consciousness thinking it had been there for sixteen years because of all these memories lying around i didn't actually interrogate this thought in any particular analytical way i just decided it was true and then went about my business trying not to think about it any more and just pretending i was a continuous being because that felt better i assume this is how all reasonable and rigorous philosophy gets done
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Jan 26, 2020 23:16
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vyelkin posted:yeah ive had actual irl conversations with people about this before and someone once tried to tell me it didn't matter because to everyone else i would still be me and therefore i still exist as me and im like that's not the point Nah, you'd be yourself to yourself too so it's all good.
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Jan 27, 2020 00:11
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you could transporter clone enough people to keep your wife sexually satisfied
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Jan 27, 2020 00:55
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i mean, none of them are of you
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Jan 27, 2020 00:55
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"It's longer than you think, Dad! Longer than you think!"
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Jan 27, 2020 01:00
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OP is right, it's just like when you go under for surgery, you die and get replaced.
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Actually what happens during general anesthesia is that it paralyzes you and prevents you from forming memories but you are actually fully conscious the whole time.
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The transporter problem is only a problem if you think death isn't desirable. Which. 
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