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hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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Its hosed up they are just constantly killing millions of people in star trek

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hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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Raskolnikov38 posted:

you are just an incredibly complex chemical computer. if we accept the transporter is able to put individual atoms back where they belong, even mid reaction, then "you" are getting transported each time

Individual atoms don't have identity, there's no such thing as the 'same' atoms.

Its like if a madman killed you with two big knives and chopped you up a bunch, but then a doctor on another planet went to the meat market and bought enough meat to make a copy of you out of meat somehow. You didnt get teleported to the other planet, the guy there just made a copy of you after you died.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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Imo they must have either tricked everyone by killing them with a transporter already or else all accept Parfitian ideas about identity for the transporter to be as popular as it is.

Tricking people is easy, like at school every kid gets transported then they ask "so did you die" and they are like "no."

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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vyelkin posted:

nah, I would die and it would create a copy of me that has all my memories right up to and including stepping into the transporter, leading the copy to believe it had been wrong about the transporter all along and had actually lived through it right up until it went to transport again and its consciousness ceased to exist while a copy of the copy appeared in the destination with all the copy's memories, and so on

Yup! But for you, the guy who gets into the transporter, its no different than if you'd been shot in the head or had a nuclear bomb go off next to you.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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CainFortea posted:

If something is indistinguishable from every observable angle then it's the same thing dawg.

It's you.

When they make more than copy, which one is you?

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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zoux posted:

It's possible the same thing happens to our consciousness every time we go to sleep, that is to say, the you that is making memories and experiencing things today will cease to exist when you go to sleep and tomorrow a different you with all the same memories will wake up. But we can't tell so we don't care.

This is actually true and you can tell, because if you don't get a good night's sleep or have a hangover or something you are poo poo the next day, because your body wasn't able to make a proper copy of your consciousness.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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Angepain posted:

i can't wait until we finally come up with a definitive answer for the problem of consciousness here on the temporary star wars shitposting section of a deceased homosexual internet discussion forum

derek parfit already did

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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CainFortea posted:

Except the transporters in star trek don't work that way.

IN star trek they work by killing you by means of disintegration, like a disintegrator beam weapon, and then constructing a copy of your body in another location.

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hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Also, fun fact, if you believe the transporters kill you then so do Stargates - there's multiple references in Stargate SG-1 to being "particleized" and converted into a matter stream. I'm pretty sure the short range transmats also do something similar.

they do kill you too you just explained why

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