Stefan Prodan posted:

thank GOD there's a new british politics thread because I tried to post in the last one to ask something and it was closed

so what I want to know is

what does brexit mean

Stefan Prodan posted:

thank GOD there's a new british politics thread because I tried to post in the last one to ask something and it was closed

so what I want to know is

what does brexit mean

staberind posted:

We have not declared Marshall Law, quite yet.
this will probably get p. hairy though.

twoday posted:

I don't think there were many, if any, tories in the last thread

I think by now the EU is sick of endless negotiating, and having a whole extra year seems more than enough to negotiate a deal. IIRC they have already figured out a solution to the Northern Ireland problem, which was to make the trade border effectively be between NI and Britain, enforced by the UK entirely (which allows of course for a tremendous loophole of smuggling opportunities, and various other problems). I think most of the extension is to grant even further time for companies and governments to adjust to the reality of things, and work out some small kinks

Agean90 posted:

so when's Scotland gonna sack up and leave

roarpower posted:

no. you stupid people still have a monarchy in 2020. You are supposed to be a first world country

Jose posted:

Are you American because lol if you think youdont have a monarchy

bitterandtwisted posted:

US first families are treated exactly like royal families by the public and press

Stefan Prodan posted:

thank GOD there's a new british politics thread because I tried to post in the last one to ask something and it was closed

so what I want to know is

what does brexit mean

twoday posted:

I don't think there were many, if any, tories in the last thread

I think by now the EU is sick of endless negotiating, and having a whole extra year seems more than enough to negotiate a deal. IIRC they have already figured out a solution to the Northern Ireland problem, which was to make the trade border effectively be between NI and Britain, enforced by the UK entirely (which allows of course for a tremendous loophole of smuggling opportunities, and various other problems). I think most of the extension is to grant even further time for companies and governments to adjust to the reality of things, and work out some small kinks

marktheando posted:

A Buttery Pastry posted:

On the one hand, the Tories do have a firmer majority to push through stupid deals, but a year doesn't seem like much when you consider the speed at which negotiations happened the last few infinitely long years.

Plus the Tories are probably gonna attempt to somehow trick the EU and roll back negotiations, somehow.

endlessmonotony posted:

Tories tricking the EU... or even the word negotiations. Hah!

Back when there was a chance the UK might come to its senses the EU took things slowly to not look too harsh if Brexit was reversed or was going to be very soft.

Now the EU's united against the UK and the Tories have zero leverage to negotiate. They're getting a Hobson's choice on the terms and there will be no loving about with extensions. There's no words for how fed up people are looking at Johnson and his lackeys and the EU, overwhelmingly supported by public opinion, will no longer be tolerating dithering about or Dumb Tory Bullshit.

When the deadline hits, there better be big reasons that are in no way the fault of the UK in reality or in the public's eyes for an extension to even be a real consideration. EU's been prepared to walk away from the table since the 2017 election, and Corbyn was the only open question. Even before that significant EU factions were calling for just telling Britain to gently caress off without any deal at all. Now the side calling for leniency has more or less joined them.

Or in shorter terms: Every major faction in the EU that doesn't hate the British in general really hate the Tories now. It's less of a negotiation and more the Tories being presented with two options, labeled "gently caress you" and "gently caress off".

endlessmonotony posted:

Tories tricking the EU... or even the word negotiations. Hah!

Back when there was a chance the UK might come to its senses the EU took things slowly to not look too harsh if Brexit was reversed or was going to be very soft.

Now the EU's united against the UK and the Tories have zero leverage to negotiate. They're getting a Hobson's choice on the terms and there will be no loving about with extensions. There's no words for how fed up people are looking at Johnson and his lackeys and the EU, overwhelmingly supported by public opinion, will no longer be tolerating dithering about or Dumb Tory Bullshit.

When the deadline hits, there better be big reasons that are in no way the fault of the UK in reality or in the public's eyes for an extension to even be a real consideration. EU's been prepared to walk away from the table since the 2017 election, and Corbyn was the only open question. Even before that significant EU factions were calling for just telling Britain to gently caress off without any deal at all. Now the side calling for leniency has more or less joined them.

Or in shorter terms: Every major faction in the EU that doesn't hate the British in general really hate the Tories now. It's less of a negotiation and more the Tories being presented with two options, labeled "gently caress you" and "gently caress off".

A Buttery Pastry posted:

My point isn't that they'll be able to, or that the EU will play ball with Tory shenanigans - but that the absolutely best faith negotiation I expect from any Tories would be them trying to trick the EU into a completely lopsided deal. It's basically the UK side of the argument for why a year isn't enough time to negotiate a deal, because one side isn't trying - and as you say - the other side would fight over who would get to push a big red button labeled "Britain sinks beneath the waves".

GSD posted:

do we know what brexit means yet?

gh0stpinballa posted:

i think the mistake people are making is assuming that britain is "a country" or a "nation state" anymore. it isn't. it is a bunch of land that surrounds london, and london itself is not a city, it is a gigantic washing machine for billions of dollars of blood money that flows into it from gulf states and various oligarchs and organized crime groups all around the world. it is a ghost land where ghost acts stand in for real change. brexit, like the gulf war, did not really happen. this is why i am struggling to engage with the labour leadership race - until they recognize these facts about "the united kingdom", there is no hope.

Son of Rodney posted:

There's a reddit thread where people try to get leavers to seriously tell their reasons for voting that way.

After skimming it the top reasons are

Sovereignty
Immigration (poles)

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/sabrina_huck/status/1223358824675008513?s=21

gh0stpinballa posted:

i think the mistake people are making is assuming that britain is "a country" or a "nation state" anymore. it isn't. it is a bunch of land that surrounds london, and london itself is not a city, it is a gigantic washing machine for billions of dollars of blood money that flows into it from gulf states and various oligarchs and organized crime groups all around the world. it is a ghost land where ghost acts stand in for real change. brexit, like the gulf war, did not really happen. this is why i am struggling to engage with the labour leadership race - until they recognize these facts about "the united kingdom", there is no hope.

Isizzlehorn posted:

You had me right up until 'somehow this is all Labour's fault'.

Yeah ok.

hakimashou posted:

If labour is gonna win the next election they gotta studiously avoid falling into the scotland trap, or the next election will just be a shitshow about labour trying to break up the UK.

If you feel bad about having to turn on scotland remember that all this is actually all their fault. If they had voted for independence it would have destroyed cameron and the tories and there wouldnt have been a brexit.

hakimashou posted:

If labour is gonna win the next election they gotta studiously avoid falling into the scotland trap, or the next election will just be a shitshow about labour trying to break up the UK.

If you feel bad about having to turn on scotland remember that all this is actually all their fault. If they had voted for independence it would have destroyed cameron and the tories and there wouldnt have been a brexit.

Stoatbringer posted:

"Hi, now we've left your fancy club and aren't going to pay our fees anymore, we'd still like you to give us all the perks of membership, please."
"Haha gently caress off, get to the back of the queue."

Regarde Aduck posted:

We haven’t been first world since austerity was implemented in 2010.

Part of how Boris won the election was somehow convincing large parts of England that the reason the country is just so utterly poo poo was Labour meddling.