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HukHukHuk
Jun 27, 2011

I am the sound of cats and hairballs.
I main demo and i kill myself nearly every game. Just now to charging into my own double acid grenades. That being said, its my most consistent class to get to the final room along with heavy gunner. Methodical overwheming firepower saves the day everyday.
The beta adds a lot more tooltips on gun variants. The biggest change is that armor values are reworked into percentages vs flat.

Edit: Tips for Demo:

0) Take two launchers//hazardous weapons
1) Intensity Chamber is vital, your hits will refill ammo for your other guns and occasionally the equipped one, get it asap, keeps you from ever running dry.
2) Missile drone shots and acid grenade allow you to detonate your seismic from a distance. And the acid grenade freely kills turrets the entire game.
3) Mod your launchers for damage, the damage for recoil mod means nothing to you. Boss damage is important and stacks with the core passive. Finally for any auto fire launchers, like the flametongue, mod hair trigger to convert to semi auto and even more damage. These weapons have a high enough rof and damage that auto fire is mostly overkill. The rare weapon attachments are pretty good, make sure to take titanium rifling to counter super heavy, though ill have to do testing to figure out if falloff affects explosions.
4) Take Unceasing and Transmutate to start. Your passive perma 4% scav bonuses on Ultra Kills means tou get a ton of stuff and using the prayer shrines occasionally gets you blood rite which you turn into another legendary item. Pick up Chromatic Armor and Charge if you see them.
5) Proc explosions (sidewinders, mavericks, m203, sticky bomb) are all more powerful for you and keep even your pistol relevant (i prefer Last Breath).
6) Stepping on the exit pad causes all enemies in a massive radius to rush the point. Setting up fat ultra kills.

HukHukHuk fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Feb 29, 2020

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Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
This game owns

Buller
Nov 6, 2010
When you play raider and you gt teh +1 charge artifact.

Big plays time.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Took a chance on it and on my Intel i5-8350U w/ integrated graphics (UHD 620) I get 60+fps at 1920x1080 on low-ish settings. Game is a blast so far, even though I suck at it.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here


Game good

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.


literally my fave legendary, I wish I got it more often as Breacher.

Radio Free Kobold
Aug 11, 2012

"Federal regulations mandate that at least 30% of our content must promote Reptilian or Draconic culture. This is DJ Scratch N' Sniff with the latest mermaid screeching on KBLD..."




I can't play as anything but Breacher now. Every time I try I just die horribly because I tried to something a Breacher would've survived. Having a "Throw bombs!" button lets you get away with so much poo poo.

Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Mar 1, 2020

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Radio Free Kobold posted:

I can't play as anything but Breacher now. Every time I try I just die horribly because I tried to something a Breacher would've survived. Having a "Throw bombs!" button lets you get away with so much poo poo.

:yossame:

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Radio Free Kobold posted:

I can't play as anything but Breacher now. Every time I try I just die horribly because I tried to something a Breacher would've survived. Having a "Throw bombs!" button lets you get away with so much poo poo.

Pretty much same thing with Raider and the stab button, here. Trying to get the hang of Engineer right now, though.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




This game owns it's like top down coop CS. I played a few hours, and then I tried joining the multiplayer, and just got totally carried by this dude who was headshotting everything. I kinda wish it had 4 player too.

Do we have a goon Discord or plans for one?

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




OP should prob add that Synthetik Arena functions more or less as a demo for the full game.

Dropbear
Jul 26, 2007
Bombs away!
Anyone know what the alert threat meter-thing actually affects? Just unit numbers / types, or their stats as well? (Also drat those shield guys with stun grenades; I didn't get any in my first few runs, but now I keep getting them cooonstantly for some reason)

drat the game is addictive. There are some janky things (keybinds resetting on boot sometimes, enemies being hidden behind buildings) but for :10bux: this is a nobrainer. This is also one of the few games I'm tempted to play singleplayer without playing podcasts / audiobooks at the same time because the sound design is so good - even the starting Desert Eagle sounds like a goddamn howitzer going off.

Dropbear fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 1, 2020

HukHukHuk
Jun 27, 2011

I am the sound of cats and hairballs.
More dudes, slightly tougher dudes, more elites for terror level. I highly recommend playing the beta, armor is now a percentage and theres tooltips for things now.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Dropbear posted:

Anyone know what the alert threat meter-thing actually affects? Just unit numbers / types, or their stats as well? (Also drat those shield guys with stun grenades; I didn't get any in my first few runs, but now I keep getting them cooonstantly for some reason)

If you want to know what any particular stat does, hit C while in a game and it'll pull up a character statisics panel where you can then mouse over to get a description of what that stat does! Terror Level is one of those stats!

Specifically though, TL boosts enemy spawn numbers, elite spawns, enemy fire rate, enemy special ability use frequency, and boss health.

HukHukHuk
Jun 27, 2011

I am the sound of cats and hairballs.
Tip for the miltiary base: kill the flamethrower dudes asap and the ghosts become vulnerable after they fire a burst. Also ghosts are always vulnerable to explosions and fire

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Phasing dudes also have black dots below their HP bar - those represent their ammo. They become vulnerable to conventional weapons when the black dots disappear and a white bar that rapidly fills up appears in their place. Some other units also have black dots, such as some turrets and drones.

Pound_Coin
Feb 5, 2004
£


games good, global chat is full of loving 4chan nazis tho.

Having an army of turrets and bots is great;

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Pound_Coin posted:

games good, global chat is full of loving 4chan nazis tho

global chat is a mixture of newbies asking questions, helpful people answering those questions, and fuckin weirdos that talk about hentai and meme constantly.

Sometimes you get to chat with the devs tho! It's pretty neat getting to chat with Shrike and Taro.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
The Discord server so far has been a better than global chat and it's been really helpful but as you can expect, there are a lot of Sseth fans.

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!

Pound_Coin posted:

games good, global chat is full of loving 4chan nazis tho.

Having an army of turrets and bots is great;

Sup Engineer main bro :heysexy:

The thing is, this game kinda punishes hashtag yolo approach and Engineer plays so well turtling since you don't have a time limit and can wait until having full CD. The first setup I finished the game with %140 diff was Engineer with Transmute and Overdrive (more recycling and cd reduction over 40 heat) and constantly recycling shooting related items and actives in favor of 4 passives and 4 summons. I throw in Black Market Teleporter to play safe in case I get caught by teleporting of fast troops if possible.

I had Phaser and Gun Drone spawner in addition to Missile Drone and LMG Turret which is pretty much easy mode if you are patient and careful. Bosses are much easy since you literally never have to shoot your gun, just summon everything you have and dash around. The Arena Kings died pretty much off-screen against my army of drones.

Currently trying out Breacher, which is also pretty fun.

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
Is there any penalty to cruising around levels taking your time or should I be booking it as fast as possible?

I like to run and gun anyway but I don't know what pace I should be setting, if any at all

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
I don't think there is a time limit or anything like that which makes classes like Assasin and Sniper super viable if you are patient. Run and gun is still possible but that usually ends up me dying to some random poo poo but nothing is more satisfying than HG bullet hosings robits.

If you want to finish the level or grind bosses for prestige shop, you can take it as slow as you like.

Edit: If you touch the teleporter but don't use it, it triggers a timer to finish the level.

Galewolf fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Mar 4, 2020

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

If anyone wasn't aware when you drop items on the ground by right clicking, dragging them off your hatbar and then pick them back up again... they can change rarity tiers. Generally, this doesn't do anything other than modify the name or maybe ad 25% item power to it.




Look at this hot bullshit! 61 hours and many item drops and I've only ever gotten 2 ???? tier item drops. The first was an Unstable Current (which carried the poo poo out of me and I got to 99% extra chance with some item and Luck upgrades), and this is the second. What a waste of a dice roll.

Item rarity tiers go ???? > Divine > Ultra > Cursed > Superior > Damaged. For reference, ???? tier is only available for Items, and is a 0.1%(*luck) chance.

HukHukHuk
Jun 27, 2011

I am the sound of cats and hairballs.
Usually ???? Items are minimum 350% power, that's just a bug

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Heavy Gunner owns, just upgrade the poo poo out of the onslaught system the first chance you get and you'll be tooling around with a gun that will never run out of ammo.

I don't get the hate for the starter MG though, it seems really good to me compared to the MAG, Bren and etc.

Pound_Coin
Feb 5, 2004
£


Galewolf posted:

Sup Engineer main bro :heysexy:

The thing is, this game kinda punishes hashtag yolo approach

yeah, a vast majority of my engi deaths have been from running in like a dipshit chasing timed chests or the armoured transporter

HukHukHuk
Jun 27, 2011

I am the sound of cats and hairballs.

Xerxes17 posted:

Heavy Gunner owns, just upgrade the poo poo out of the onslaught system the first chance you get and you'll be tooling around with a gun that will never run out of ammo.

I don't get the hate for the starter MG though, it seems really good to me compared to the MAG, Bren and etc.

Onslaught + Stims

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!

Pound_Coin posted:

yeah, a vast majority of my engi deaths have been from running in like a dipshit chasing timed chests or the armoured transporter

After stopped doing exactly that, my runs became much succesful.

I think I die mostly to basketballs and dashing shotgun enemies now.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Protip for the Armored transport: walk inside it. The spawned mooks and every other enemy won't shoot at you till you either leave the safety of the transport or kill the transport. Bonus points for penetration weapons to kill poo poo while you're doing it.

HukHukHuk posted:

Usually ???? Items are minimum 350% power, that's just a bug

I'm aware, pretty sure it's based on an rng roll regardless. Still irritating as hell.

Blisster
Mar 10, 2010

What you are listening to are musicians performing psychedelic music under the influence of a mind altering chemical called...
Glad to see some love for this game. I have been playing a lot. Breacher is probably my favourite but all the classes are pretty fun. Love the absurd weapon upgrades you can get (hello triple-shot fully automatic grenade launcher!)

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

This is probably the silliest divine item I've gotten to date: an Icarus with 108% extra chance




It would just cover the screen in lasers as soon as an enemy got in LOS and was close enough. Sadly I died to Last Defender because of poor positioning.

The road to beating hyper adren continues.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
two questions

is there any way to actually tell what an ammo type does outside of eyeballing it? Some are kind of obvious but then you have like lithium cell and heat cell and etc.

second, what is the magical trick to engineer's adventure beyond killing all items for better gunbots

and maybe upgrading items before nixing them to get a hyperpowerful item in the first three

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

:negative: :negative: :negative:

FML I just died in my best hyper adren Breacher run yet in Disco Room on the final boss. I'm actually super sad, I got a cursed laser smg out of a shop floor 3 and medic smg floor 2. I had ALL the health regen and shields. Final Defender was in the bag if I got to it since I kept my terror levels down. This particular Insanity challenge will continue to elude me.




Gamerofthegame posted:

two questions

is there any way to actually tell what an ammo type does outside of eyeballing it? Some are kind of obvious but then you have like lithium cell and heat cell and etc.

second, what is the magical trick to engineer's adventure beyond killing all items for better gunbots

and maybe upgrading items before nixing them to get a hyperpowerful item in the first three

default ammo types typically tell you if they do something special (more/less shield/headshot damage, amount of armor pen etc). Usually tho if it doesn't say anything special, it just does 100% damage to shield and health and is fully affected by armor.

As for Engi, recycle poo poo you don't want, keep a few good active items to spam and apparently passive items that proc also contribute to Drone Zeal stacks. So like the 4 sec cd missile passive items are really good on Engi. I don't have a lot of personal experience with the class but a friend plays it a lot and I've seen some of the chat in global about it, so grain of salt and all that.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
I'm basically only playing Raider or Assassin at this point

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
I didn't realize the ammo in the weapon screen actually has tooltips, unlike the perks

whoops


I got a divine bren gun, p9000 and a ion cannon in the first stage as a riot guard and then immediately died right after the first boss from... something devil trickery involving a missile hitting me multiple times

life giveth life taketh


I also reached what was apparently the final boss on my engie run and got one shot immediately the boss design in this loving suuuucks

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Beta has been updated with the final changes and it's basically good to go except for a bug where the game locks up in very specific circumstances due to crystal floors, so it won't be pushed live until that is fixed next week. Meanwhile I recommend everyone to try out the beta, the perk info is great.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Just got the airhorn for the first time, feels like I'm in a frag video parody

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Gamerofthegame posted:

I also reached what was apparently the final boss on my engie run and got one shot immediately the boss design in this loving suuuucks

I honestly like the final boss itself, it's the Disco Floor right before that peeves me off. Much like the jet boss though, you have to try and stay away from the front as the lasers both the final boss and jet boss shoot are a specific laser ammo type (that you can get for yourself!) that mega slows. So getting clipped once is usually a death sentence, unless you have the Ignores Slows artifact. Coincidence the first time I beat the final boss was with that artifact? I think not!

That aside, I actually like the boss design in this game as each is mostly unique and engaging in some way. There are also no real gotchas as even the first time you see it it's telegraphed enough you can react to it or so nonthreatening it's your own fault for dying to it.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
My issue with some of the bosses in this game is that if you're too slow and you can't kill the boss in like 3 seconds, you are basically dead.

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Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
What's this overhaul I'm hearing about

I've just gotten into the flow are they gonna make it super different

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