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Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

Marcus made Neroon laugh really good that one time.

edit: christ what a snipe.

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

It does lend itself to the extremely streamlined ship name, "maroon"

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

Oh my god.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008


“I’ll have to get you to excuse me, my friend, I ain’t no hat-rack.”

Fun Shoe

Pick posted:

Oh yeah, and speaking of babylon 5, the person who slashes Franklin and G'kar, and I'm pretty sure this is just one person who has ever, like, been into this pairing?



decided to detail, in prose, this romance, which is currently almost 75,000 words long. a novella basically.

It's here:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/1...apters/45278080

Through tumblr, all wildly improbable things are possible.

75k words is a fairly typical romance novel. the usual word count conventions have novellas topping out around 35k-40k words, depending whose standard you use

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Squizzle posted:

75k words is a fairly typical romance novel. the usual word count conventions have novellas topping out around 35k-40k words, depending whose standard you use

two novellas!

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

a fairly typical romance novel

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Thread title please

vuk83
Oct 9, 2012


Hit me with star trek Picard slash, and or STD

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008


“I’ll have to get you to excuse me, my friend, I ain’t no hat-rack.”

Fun Shoe

vuk83 posted:

Hit me with star trek Picard slash, and or STD

*in a wacky accent* “plz state the nature of yr sexual emergency”

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

vuk83 posted:

Hit me with star trek Picard slash, and or STD

ok, stds it is!









Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost





MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




Vavrek posted:

Marcus made Neroon laugh really good that one time.

edit: christ what a snipe.

I've seen crazier reasons for a ship.

And honestly better fit for him than Ivanova.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

MonsieurChoc posted:

I've seen crazier reasons for a ship.

And honestly better fit for him than Ivanova.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Tumblr is actually a great website for posting bullshit and being stupid . I love it

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

I've now read the B5 fan fiction and it's actually mostly that the author thinks Franklin should have been a conscientious objector and is rewriting the series to reflect this BUT he also wants to make out with G'Kar, which. fair.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


Pick posted:

I've now read the B5 fan fiction and it's actually mostly that the author thinks Franklin should have been a conscientious objector and is rewriting the series to reflect this BUT he also wants to make out with G'Kar, which. fair.

conscientious objector from the Minbari war? or from the Shadow/EA wars?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

eh earthforce generally

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

I wasn't 100% sober when I read it last night sooooooo

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


ohhhh, got it. so in this fic it's more like B5 has a civilian doctor in charge of MedLab? yeah i could see how that would work.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

I am genuinely touched that there's someone out there who cares about the Franklin character enough to think that whether he's technically earthforce is a misstep in the original show grievous enough to warrant a complete rewrite. that kicks rear end no foolin. Franklin never gets enough respect

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




Pick, did you really defend rapist Joe Biden or what? Your new avatar begs quite a few questions.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Why the gently caress are you stalking me to a tumblr thread about Star Trek? Get out.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




I've been posting in this thread from the start, I just noticed your new avatar is all.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

We have more than enough bad US politics threads and I have PMs.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




I don't.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

US Pol in US Pol

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost



someone completely different did make a franklin funko pop however

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

oh yeah! moodboards. I think this was originally a pinterest/snapchat(?) thing. but you'll see moodboards for characters. I don't know what this means, I think that it's like... their mood, or "the mood of seeing this character"

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

funny screencaps are also a tumblr favorite



Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


Pick posted:



someone completely different did make a franklin funko pop however

i'm torn between my love for babylon 5 and my utter disdain for funko pops

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

i'm torn between my love for babylon 5 and my utter disdain for funko pops

I know right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

one thing I personally find fascinating is fandom motifs. like, these are things that a -fandom- specifically cares about, fixates on, draws, describes, etc.

I think fandom motifs tend to tell you a lot about the people who are in that fandom, since they can be very very very specific

here's a set of illustrations that went up yesterday (or maybe the day before??) that highlights three. can you guess what they are?










answer key:

1. content about garak being chilly/liking the sun/getting warm (this is very tight to canon since garak, dukat, AND ziyal all comment on this wrt cardassians). women relate to this because men never loving turn the thermostat up, ever

2. cardassians with tails (just, super common on tumblr, so common it's probably like 40% of the art you'll see there of cardassians include tails)

3. actually cardassians w/ fewer than 4 fingers+thumb is also really common so I guess that gets included too

4. drawing garak and bashir napping is extremely, extremely common. from this we can infer that everyone in the fandom is just really loving tired and wants to go to sleep

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

Am I weird because I hate the cold and feel comfortable at 30c, or does living in rural Australia and having never really adjusted back from a trip up north just make a logical exception

Also, that is Garak being a lizard and also a cat

Art of characters sleeping is likely popular because it shows a lot about them; like how a lot of TV shows and movies start with a character getting up or going to bed so you can pan around their room and show their stuff and how their bedroom portrays their personality, and is also relatable to most people whose bedrooms are their most personal and intimate areas

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005



beats by eyeball

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015




i felt sympathy pains when this happened in st:picard

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Am I weird because I hate the cold and feel comfortable at 30c, or does living in rural Australia and having never really adjusted back from a trip up north just make a logical exception

Also, that is Garak being a lizard and also a cat

Art of characters sleeping is likely popular because it shows a lot about them; like how a lot of TV shows and movies start with a character getting up or going to bed so you can pan around their room and show their stuff and how their bedroom portrays their personality, and is also relatable to most people whose bedrooms are their most personal and intimate areas

Following a sun beam

I do think it's a very cute premise

Roth
Jul 9, 2016


MonsieurChoc posted:

Pick, did you really defend rapist Joe Biden or what? Your new avatar begs quite a few questions.

I know this was a genuine question, but ask in a more appropriate thread next time.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

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Ayin
Jan 6, 2010

Have a great day.

Pick posted:

quote:

Spock’s Death is Really Good Writing
Spock’s death in Wrath of Khan is so good. It’s just so good! And Into Darkness fails spectacularly at recreating it.

Even with all the action, the climax of the movie, at least emotionally, is the warp core scene. The audience isn’t waiting for Kirk to kill Khan, they’re waiting to hear Spock’s last words. This is an excellent scene that was absolutely written for Spock. Everything about it is utterly, tragically logical.

I don’t think it’s impossible to do an AU where the roles are reversed. I actually think it’s an interesting idea, and I suspect plenty fic writers did it long before JJ Abrams came on the scene. There are parts of Kirk’s death in Into Darkness that I think work pretty well. The final goodbye with Spock is well done and the fingers forming the taal just before he dies is really genius. Everything that leads up to that, however, is very different:

Spock hears what’s going on and immediately does the mental math. We can see the moment he realize, long before anyone else, that it’s not possible for Scotty to get the warp core online in time.
Spock gets up and leaves quietly. It’s not a dramatic moment. Kirk is so busy with the crisis he doesn’t even notice.
There is no action. Nothing to climb, no one to punch, just determination.
Bones being the one who tries to stop Spock is extremely significant. That scene is entirely informed by the well-documented and often contentious history between those two characters.
There’s a lovely moment of dramatic irony when Kirk assumes Scotty has pulled off another one of his famous miracles, but the audience already knows it wasn’t him. This whole movie is about Kirk being a step behind; Khan gets the better of him at several key points this way. Once again, Kirk is one step behind, but as soon as Bones asks him to come down, he sees Spock’s empty chair and knows everything.
For me, at least, there is something poignant about middle-aged Kirk running through the corridors. He’s going as fast as he can, but still clearly slowed by age, and there’s something about it that I feel Zachary Quinto’s power sprint lacks.
The analogous scene in Into Darkness is much more of an action sequence:

Kirk is climbing things and swinging around. It lacks everything I find unique and interesting in Wrath of Khan.
Kirk punches someone to knock them out. Obviously the nerve pinch wasn’t available, but it just doesn’t fit the feel of the scene, for me.
Replacing Bones as the person who tries to stop the hero with Scotty changes the tone entirely. Scotty was one of the first people Kirk befriended in the previous movie and has always been on Kirk’s side, more loyal to him than necessarily to Starfleet. Keeping Bones in the role would not have worked any better for the same reason. As originally filmed, the “you’re not going in there” scene is the final culmination of the Spock-Bones dynamic. Into Darkness provides no substitute.
Kirk and Spock have the opposite problem. Instead of happening after years of closeness, the death happens early in their friendship, which was very recently strained. This is a significant change in context.
There’s one more distinction that is so important I’m giving it its own section:

Spock does not sacrifice himself enthusiastically. He is in no way self-destructive. Spock at the beginning of Wrath of Khan is about as content and balanced as he’s ever been. His experiences in The Motion Picture caused him to realize that a life of pure logic is empty and meaningless. He still reveres logic, but no longer limits himself to it. He has fully accepted both halves of himself. Spock does not particularly want to sacrifice himself, but it is logical and necessary. He does not seek death, but he does accept it.

Kirk in Into Darkness is still struggling with his self-destructive tendencies as established in the previous movie. He may not be outwardly or even consciously eager to die, but he is a death seeker nonetheless. This completely changes the context of his death and the meaning of the act itself. This is reflected in the death scene itself. The use of “because you are my friend” in place of Spock’s famous Wrath of Khan line works well and suits this version of the characters and the status of their relationship, but there is no “needs of the many.” This theme reinforces that Spock’s death is not about him, but rather about the crew, who would die if he did not do it. Its absence from Into Darkness leaves us with no real evidence against Jim Kirk being a death seeker who has found an opportunity to die heroically.

This is not necessarily worse. It’s a very interesting concept, but the movie doesn’t sell it, because it doesn’t retool the entire sequence into its own cohesive story, focusing too heavily on the superficial similarities between the Wrath of Khan scenario and this one.

I’m on the record as being unhappy with AOS and hating this movie in particular. I’ve also said an edgier, alternate timeline reboot of Star Trek is something I would really enjoy if it were executed differently, and I think this is especially true of Into Darkness, and the role reversal in the death. Also, if you’re going to kill a main character that way, you need to commit the entire next movie to bringing them back, and Abrams is a coward for bringing Kirk back before the credits rolled.
Reading this, I suddenly wonder if this movie is why Disney had someone else do Episode 8

I like this thread a lot, thanks

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