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The Skeep
Sep 15, 2007

That Chicken sure loves to drum...sticks


Grimey Drawer

Do y'all think that kid that worf accidentally decapitated in the middle of a soccer match got sent to stovakor? He technically died in battle and people probably screamed and let them know a warrior was coming.

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

The Skeep posted:

Do y'all think that kid that worf accidentally decapitated in the middle of a soccer match got sent to stovakor? He technically died in battle and people probably screamed and let them know a warrior was coming.

for sure. which is fuckin weird for a little human kid but whatever. great premise for a comedy film. maybe the klingons made this when they heard about it.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Something I legitimately like about Tumblr is that it does not show how many people follow you

Roth
Jul 9, 2016


Pick posted:

Something I legitimately like about Tumblr is that it does not show how many people follow you

Did they remove that? I remember it definitely did, but I deleted mine last year.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007




You can see how many followers you have but the information isn't visible to other people, so you can't brag about how popular you are. Also the number is a lie because it counts bots, spammers, and anyone you have blocked. Only ten percent of my listed followers are actual human beings, the rest are pornbots and the one guy who exclusively posts Bruce Lee gifs.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

YggiDee posted:

You can see how many followers you have but the information isn't visible to other people, so you can't brag about how popular you are. Also the number is a lie because it counts bots, spammers, and anyone you have blocked. Only ten percent of my listed followers are actual human beings, the rest are pornbots and the one guy who exclusively posts Bruce Lee gifs.

yeah i love tumblr

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Also you can say that you want bashir and garak to date without having to hedge it or read the room. They're nice & good and they will look out for one another. Godspeed fellas

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015



i get you, but tbf you'd have to find yourself in a pretty disreputable room to think it's necessary to test the waters or people might heckle garak x bashir

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

hard counter posted:

i get you, but tbf you'd have to find yourself in a pretty disreputable room to think it's necessary to test the waters or people might heckle garak x bashir

i do not normally Get Serious in this, these forums of our doofery, but if someone legit is anti-garak-&-bashir (as opposed to ambivalent, without some angle like "bashir doesn't really respect other cultures, he just wants to explore alien holes w/ his willy) i legit suspect they're homophobic. it's not like kirkxspock, as noted above, where tbh I sorta think they're more affecting as platonic soulmates than as "lovers" (though again, whatever). there is such a goddamn good dynamic there. it's meaningful and substantive. it Means something for them to make it. dammit

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

The Skeep posted:

Do y'all think that kid that worf accidentally decapitated in the middle of a soccer match got sent to stovakor? He technically died in battle and people probably screamed and let them know a warrior was coming.

It's still funny how that's a minor detail in DS9 because it explains so much about Worf's entire character and personality. Also, a nice homage to the proto-superhero novel Gladiator.

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
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Pick posted:

i do not normally Get Serious in this, these forums of our doofery, but if someone legit is anti-garak-&-bashir (as opposed to ambivalent, without some angle like "bashir doesn't really respect other cultures, he just wants to explore alien holes w/ his willy) i legit suspect they're homophobic. it's not like kirkxspock, as noted above, where tbh I sorta think they're more affecting as platonic soulmates than as "lovers" (though again, whatever). there is such a goddamn good dynamic there. it's meaningful and substantive. it Means something for them to make it. dammit

Searching my soul, I like Bashir but only in the context of as a love interest to Garak. Outside of that I think he is an idiot dipshit. I think Garak would be really good for Bashir but I also think he could do a lot better.

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
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So who was three-armed red guy loving?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

Pretty sure anyone familiar with TAS is too distracted either by Kirk's buddy Satan or the catgirl.

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
(source)

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Pretty sure anyone familiar with TAS is too distracted either by Kirk's buddy Satan or the catgirl.

I strongly feel that we should give CatGirl horny a wide berth. I think there are trains of thought which will deposit you nowhere good.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

oh but seriously I posted:

So who was three-armed red guy loving?

that's Arex, and he's an edosian, a species introduced and only seen in TAS. so when garak said he liked to raise "edosian orchids" he is making TAS canon.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Pretty sure anyone familiar with TAS is too distracted either by Kirk's buddy Satan or the catgirl.

m'ress is a known quantity





Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

oh but seriously I posted:

Searching my soul, I like Bashir but only in the context of as a love interest to Garak. Outside of that I think he is an idiot dipshit. I think Garak would be really good for Bashir but I also think he could do a lot better.

there are a lot of interesting things they could have done with bashir, but as a character he's 95% aggressively wasted potential. the content with garak imho is the most coherent content he's given.

I shall repost my Comment on why i don't like bashir as an augment and basically everything from that ep onward*

quote:

My primary gripe [with this plotline] is that it throws off the balance of the characters.

Deep Space 9 thrives on the relationships between characters and ways that these characters try to realize their personal philosophies when the opportunity is presented to them.

For example, take the three main human Federation characters, and how each views the Federation:

- Sisko is pro-Federation but is extremely skeptical about some aspects and, at times, actively and consciously acts in ways that are contrary to some of its common tenets. ( “Establish a dialogue? What the hell does she think I’ve been trying to do? […] Just because a group of people belongs to the Federation it does not mean that they are saints. […] The trouble is Earth. On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet headquarters and you see paradise. Well, it’s easy to be a saint in paradise, but the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there in the Demilitarised zone, all the problems haven’t been solved yet. Out there, there are no saints, just people. Angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive whether it meets with Federation approval or not.”)

- O’Brien is loyal to the Federation but it doesn’t seem to come from a heavily philosophical space. He has seen the Federation work for him and work for his family. He approves of it but I wouldn’t label him “zealous”, and he will make decisions based on pragmatism as he believes necessary.

- Dr. Bashir is an ideologue. He believes in the Federation from a heavily moral and conceptual standpoint and is absolutely crushed whenever its ostensible ideals are abandoned or compromised. You can see him contrasted with Miles in “Hippocratic Oath” and contrasted with Sisko in “In the Pale Moonlight”.

To me, the nuances of these three pro-Federation characters is really compelling.

We see the show deliberately construct contrasting character sets. For example, Kira is unapologetically fierce whereas Jadzia is perhaps excessively laissez-faire. Odo represents the dispassionately authoritarian rule of law/security/the panopticon, whereas Quark represents entrepreneurism/freedom/criminal conduct. Dukat sees himself as lofty and controlled, but is spontaneous, emotional, and not very bright; Garak presents himself as humble and superficial, but is a patient, sly, and pragmatic planner. Gowron is a traditional Klingon hothead, whereas Martok is a more reasoned, compassionate leader.

DS9 usually assigned teams of characters based on how their philosophies would clash and how certain perspectives may or may not be valid under different scenarios. (Or sometimes, how two disparate-seeming views can achieve a compromise under certain conditions.) They also played a lot with completely independent axes for character motivations. “Cardassians” is a good example, where Garak’s involvement has absolutely nothing to do with being pro- or anti-Federation even though the conclusion is in the Federation’s best interests.

Making Bashir into Data-lite is like… what? How does that help? It interrupts his previous long-arc of, essentially, growing up in a world more complicated than he’d previously imagined. (Think back to his first “frontier medicine!!” line with Kira.) Jadzia’s no longer the “generally smart/wise/experienced” character and gets some of the wind taken out of her sails, probably why she’s handed off to Worf and becomes somewhat subordinate as a character. His idealism/cynicism dynamic with Garak gets completely off-course. I don’t know what the heck kind of dynamic he’s supposed to have with Sisko after that, versus the pseudo-paternal angle Sisko has for Bashir early-in.

TNG needed a Data. Deep Space 9 doesn’t. There are cases to the contrary in both shows, but I believe TNG is largely about characters with different skills coming together to solve problems. DS9 is more about characters with different philosophies solving (or addressing) problems. As such, it is perfectly all right if Geordi, Troi, Dr. Crusher, and Riker are all committed to the Federation as it presently exists. However, many episodes of Deep Space 9 would flounder if the characters didn’t have different views on the nature of the problem they’re addressing. Making Dr. Bashir into like… off-brand Data or Spock interrupts the dynamics they had established, which were working, and just introduced one more twist that they didn’t really know how to integrate into the show and only halfheartedly followed through on.


*with the exception of his goodbye scene with garak which--this is true--was cut from the initial airing of the ds9 finale. it was cut back in later.

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

Cat Army


Fallen Rib

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Pretty sure anyone familiar with TAS is too distracted either by Kirk's buddy Satan or the catgirl.

or BIG SPOCK. (he's exactly like regular Spock, but big)

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
(source)

Pick posted:

m'ress is a known quantity







What did I just say about CatGirl horny? I feel like I am speaking into a horny CatGirl shaped void

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

Oh, and of course, TAS has the Kzinti.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


Pick posted:

that's Arex, and he's an edosian, a species introduced and only seen in TAS. so when garak said he liked to raise "edosian orchids" he is making TAS canon.

I can't remember if it was David Gerrold or D.C. Fontana who once made what I thought was a great point: of course it's canon, it says "Star Trek" right on the drat titles, Gene Roddenberry even put his name on it!


oh but seriously I posted:

What did I just say about CatGirl horny? I feel like I am speaking into a horny CatGirl shaped void

Oh hey I don't think I've posted this in this subforum yet!




Heh! Get it? Get it?? PUSSYFOOTING?

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

Cat Army


Fallen Rib

She isn't even a Kzinti though, apparently she is a Caitian, which is merely related to Kzinti.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

Depends on the canon. Star Trek Online has the Ferasans as basically the store-brand Kzinti, with them having basically had a Vulcan/Romulan cultural split at a point in their history. (The Caitans are actually the Romulans in this comparison though, the Ferasans wanted to go full hog on genetic engineering and the Caitans didn't)

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

dudeness posted:

or BIG SPOCK. (he's exactly like regular Spock, but big)

big spock, big cock

anyway, god bless the fans they make life easy

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

Throw in Alexander, and maybe a talking tribble. They solve mysteries.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008


“I’ll have to get you to excuse me, my friend, I ain’t no hat-rack.”

Fun Shoe

is there a horta fan community on the tumblr

Lordshmee
Nov 23, 2007

Let's fuck



Oven Wrangler


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

...man normally I can figure out the episode by a screenshot but this one is stumping me

Pretty sure this is Transfigurations when the aliens fire their, “magic suck all the air out of the ship” weapon. Ol’ Frakes was going for a “claw at the throats” gesture but started a little high up.

I don’t know whether to feel proud of my ability to ID this or not.

Btw I love this thread.

Lordshmee
Nov 23, 2007

Let's fuck



Oven Wrangler

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008


“I’ll have to get you to excuse me, my friend, I ain’t no hat-rack.”

Fun Shoe

https://mobile.twitter.com/cyberpup...131082567974915

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.





me, internally: Babylon 5.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.




This is my picture, I was in LA for like three hours and took this, as well as some stars

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

MonsieurChoc posted:

me, internally: Babylon 5.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

I find it hilarious that the two websites I post on are both probably a hair's breadth from dying in very similar ways, however of the two, tumblr is the massively healthier social media experience

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Oh yeah, and speaking of babylon 5, the person who slashes Franklin and G'kar, and I'm pretty sure this is just one person who has ever, like, been into this pairing?



decided to detail, in prose, this romance, which is currently almost 75,000 words long. a novella basically.

It's here:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/1...apters/45278080

Through tumblr, all wildly improbable things are possible.

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

but! in a dashing display of brainwar, they have openly slagged on the marcus cole/neroon shippers, which is... also a thing! a quite substantial thing, as it happens. there are nearly one hundred marcus cole/neroon fan fictions on the website

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