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Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

ANUSTART posted:

I want to work at Aldi where you have to be trained to rotate tasks but if youre at the register you can sit

From what I’ve heard Aldi is a really great place to work, as far as retail goes.

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Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
My manager doesn't mind because I don't have a standing desk and it would be pretty hard to type and click on things if I wasn't sitting.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Tom Gorman posted:

The cashiers at Aldi look like they have the chillest job in the world but everyone else in the entire place looks like they're about to lose their f'ing minds

If it's not an incredibly hectic day or like a store with a non-stop stream of customers, working the register for an hour or so is actually a pretty nice way to break up a day and make time pass quicker, also to just get a bit of a rest.

In that hardware (well, hardware and car parts) store I used to work in, in the early days, under the first manager, all the employees kind of drifted a bit between the different departments (though some were still only qualified for certain tasks of course, and we stuck to that) basically according to an unspoken agreement, so everybody would do like a little bit of time at the customer service desk, a bit in the sotrage room, working the floor, running the register and so on, and we'd go to lunch one or two at a time throughout the day. It was actually pretty good as you'd almost always have variation in your work day and everybody had experience working in the different departments so everybody could fill in for everybody and nobody had to run the register or stock the aisles for the entirety of an 8-hour shift.
Then under new managent (and the store being rebuilt to be larger) this was clamped down on and everybody had to ahdere to these strict schedules for the entirety of a day, and there was explicitly no going between the different departments in the same shift.

They specifically restricted the number of people to run the register and do customer service, I think because they wanted someone to pin the blame on if they thought money went missing or there were irregular returns and refunds. Sick leaves went up, and many of the full-timers and long-time part-timers disappeared to be replaced with mostly very young part-time employees, who never lasted long and never really learnt to do much (as with most such stores there is no real job training, you just learn over time, this especially goes for how to do customer service as you need to learn what the store has and how it's used and what people need for what). This meant a heavier work-load for the remaining employees with job experience, and it also meant that the store began to consistently fall behind on stocking the aisles in a timely fashion as aisles were either empty, full of the wrong items, and the stock room was overfilled and an unorganized mess where you couldn't really find anything specific. This of course meant saving money by reducing the number of employees at work for any particular shift, which further exacerbated the problem, while all the time the management is saying that today we just have to pull up our sleeves and get to work, because we are way behind.

Writing it out, I get why I eventually quit that job even before I was done with my studies.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Feb 8, 2020

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Randarkman posted:

If it's not an incredibly hectic day or like a store with a non-stop stream of customers, working the register for an hour or so is actually a pretty nice way to break up a day and make time pass quicker, also to just get a bit of a rest.

In that hardware (well, hardware and car parts) store I used to work in, in the early days, under the first manager, all the employees kind of drifted a bit between the different departments (though some were still only qualified for certain tasks of course, and we stuck to that) basically according to an unspoken agreement, so everybody would do like a little bit of time at the customer service desk, a bit in the sotrage room, working the floor, running the register and so on, and we'd go to lunch one or two at a time throughout the day. It was actually pretty good as you'd almost always have variation in your work day and everybody had experience working in the different departments so everybody could fill in for everybody and nobody had to run the register or stock the aisles for the entirety of an 8-hour shift.
Then under new managent (and the store being rebuilt to be larger) this was clamped down on and everybody had to ahdere to these strict schedules for the entirety of a day, and there was explicitly no going between the different departments in the same shift.

They specifically restricted the number of people to run the register and do customer service, I think because they wanted someone to pin the blame on if they thought money went missing or there were irregular returns and refunds. Sick leaves went up, and many of the full-timers and long-time part-timers disappeared to be replaced with mostly very young part-time employees, who never lasted long and never really learnt to do much (as with most such stores there is no real job training, you just learn over time, this especially goes for how to do customer service as you need to learn what the store has and how it's used and what people need for what). This meant a heavier work-load for the remaining employees with job experience, and it also meant that the store began to consistently fall behind on stocking the aisles in a timely fashion as aisles were either empty, full of the wrong items, and the stock room was overfilled and an unorganized mess where you couldn't really find anything specific. This of course meant saving money by reducing the number of employees at work for any particular shift, which further exacerbated the problem, while all the time the management is saying that today we just have to pull up our sleeves and get to work, because we are way behind.

Writing it out, I get why I eventually quit that job even before I was done with my studies.

Look it's about short term gains, that's it. Next quarter. Who cares that it will be worthless in 4 years, next quarter has to go UP! Then that guy bails before things get bad and the next guy gets blamed.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

numberoneposter posted:

extremist Christian missionary porn

Link?

To answer the OPs question, it is because America has rejected God and king.

Carlos Lantana
Oct 2, 2003

Just severely damage something expensive. Its very therapeutic especially if you get to see a suit having a shitfit.

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Isaac
Aug 3, 2006

Fun Shoe

Tom Gorman posted:

The cashiers at Aldi look like they have the chillest job in the world but everyone else in the entire place looks like they're about to lose their f'ing minds

I worked next to an ALDI at another shop and we shared a dock with them. ALDI does the job a normal shop does with 25 people with like 4. The pay and conditions are good but I think you need to be working at a much higher caliber to stay around.

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

Bosses get rewarded for making GBS threads on workers. I worked as a chef for a large restaurant group, Punch Bowl Social. The senior management LOVED it when a Chef gave one of the hourly employees a good tuning up. As a pro chef, I have a very hands-on approach to management, but have never been afraid of crawling up someone's rear end if they deserve it (for being lazy, negative, dismissive, disrespectful, unsafe). The senior management, and C-suite executives would consistently laud me for the negative reinforcement, even though 90% of my management was through positive reinforcement, leading by example, and mutual respect. They didn't care about any of that, they liked watching cooks get yelled at.

The negative reinforcement only worked because I rarely relied on it. That's what they liked to see, though. Executive types are sick in the head man.

interwhat
Jul 23, 2005

it's kickin in dude
Post disclaimer: I'm a mechanic and I do have plantar facaeotis or however the gently caress you spell it.

I've never been talked to about sitting, because of you sit you aren't really fixing cars and making money. At my current shop I have to find parts and build estimates for customers, which is weird because why do we have parts consultants and service advisors? But I am compensated well and take 100% of this parts quoting time sitting down and no one would dare speak a word cause I'll just bounce, obviously. But with all these great manufacturing jobs Trump so lovingly brought us, I could imagine totally some $9\hr dude being reprimanded for sitting, because ultimately he probably isn't working, the job wasn't designed around sitting, but running up onto an assembly line, screwing in a thing and doing the same thing for eight hours a day. But if you're stationary and are confortably doing your job more efficiently and can provide evidence of this, well, I'm sorry to say, you're still actually working for blue collar America and gently caress you. Likely you should have already bullshitted your way to management, but it seems you would rather... sit.

Not super sure where this reply is going, possibly due to my simultaneous resentment and love for my deeply blue collar career, but good luck OP I wish u da best

interwhat
Jul 23, 2005

it's kickin in dude

The_Continental posted:

Bosses get rewarded for making GBS threads on workers. I worked as a chef for a large restaurant group, Punch Bowl Social. The senior management LOVED it when a Chef gave one of the hourly employees a good tuning up. As a pro chef, I have a very hands-on approach to management, but have never been afraid of crawling up someone's rear end if they deserve it (for being lazy, negative, dismissive, disrespectful, unsafe). The senior management, and C-suite executives would consistently laud me for the negative reinforcement, even though 90% of my management was through positive reinforcement, leading by example, and mutual respect. They didn't care about any of that, they liked watching cooks get yelled at.

The negative reinforcement only worked because I rarely relied on it. That's what they liked to see, though. Executive types are sick in the head man.

I don't keep secret that I would rather be cooking for a living on SA. it's my one true passion but God drat it's such a broken industry, why the gently caress wouldnt I fake my way to into being a competent mechanic job.

On the plus side, working for a corporate hospitality group(sodexho if you're interested), has giving me god like diplomatic abilities when it comes to the growing pains of a small business.

Grape Juice Vampire
Aug 1, 2009

MorrisBae posted:

A lot of newer security systems have web portals you can log into - IIRC it's usually not full motion video, but like 1FPS still captures from the system

Something like this. They also have multiple screens in the main office with feeds of the cameras so they can pop out and nag you for sitting or checking your phone. One of the managers “jokingly” suggested added microphones so they could listen to us, too. It feels silly but that poo poo has made me paranoid, even at home. :tinfoil:

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

ANUSTART posted:

I want to work at Aldi where you have to be trained to rotate tasks but if youre at the register you can sit
what does this mean? that you have to work on something else if your main work is done? a boss tried to get me to do this once and i kinda pretended to for a day and learned to hide (while still ably doing the work i was loving hired for)

JK Fresco
Jul 5, 2019

empty sea posted:

I make it a loving point to sit in that comfy doctor stool every drat time I go in to a room to discuss an estimate with a client. I don't care if they're super keen to sign it or not, but I read it out and explain it and sit in that comfy stool all the same.

Ya'll can go gently caress yourselves, I won't see a penny of that 7k bill the hospital just threw down. I'm just gonna take a minute and speak my words and let myself relax. Let them have a few minutes to ask their questions. poo poo, I got all the time in the world.

Anything else is just lol. Just lol if you work yourself to the bone for some employer on hourly wage. I will sit down and talk to clients for a goddamn hour. I don't give a gently caress.

There's studies that show that people feel like you spent more time with them if you sit down before taking to them

Chief McHeath
Apr 23, 2002

MorrisBae posted:

A lot of newer security systems have web portals you can log into - IIRC it's usually not full motion video, but like 1FPS still captures from the system

What the gently caress is this "new 1fps poo poo?" I GMed a gym and the app for our cameras was able to stream clear video to your phone and this was like 2015.

That was also why I'd get texts from the guy above the RGM asking why someone was leaning on the front desk four minutes before their shift ended at midnight on Saturday and why weren't we watching?

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Capitalism

Chrs
Sep 21, 2015

My friend works in a factory and they once told him not to go out in the evenings because if he got attacked and went to hospital then they’d not have time to find cover and that would risk missing their targets.

Son of Rodney
Feb 22, 2006

ohmygodohmygodohmygod

Not a hot take or anything but the us seriously sound like a hell hole for workers rights. A lot of the stuff I regularly hear about is illegal where I live and people straight up wouldn't stand for it.

youre
Dec 30, 2019

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

Corporations are people and people are goods to be used and thrown out. Hope this explains more clearly how American fascism and blind capitalism are the only gods in America.

Holy heck, listen up everybody!! - this guy has a fresh new take on the situation

pnumoman
Sep 26, 2008

I never get the last word, and it makes me very sad.
The US treats workers horribly because looking at the misfortune of others is the only way we keep on taking the abuse we get at our own jobs.

Skypie
Sep 28, 2008

pepsi lover posted:

what kind of brain damage do you need to have to want to spend your days off like this

When I was a manager for a carwash chain, my district manager called one night. Turned out, he was at home and off the clock and monitoring his stores' efficiency numbers from our dashboard software.

He called to ask me why I only had two people on the clock for our volume at the time and that we should have 3. I explained two of the people there were minors and taking their legally-required 30 minute break. It had to be done before the mid shift person hit the 9 hour mark - the maximum number of hours a minor could work in one shift.

Dude starts talking to me about customer experience and poo poo and I'm like "ok so are you telling me to break the law because it sounds like you want me to break child labor laws, which is a really bad idea that I'm not gonna follow through on"

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?

Son of Rodney posted:

Not a hot take or anything but the us seriously sound like a hell hole for workers rights. A lot of the stuff I regularly hear about is illegal where I live and people straight up wouldn't stand for it.

Yeah, this is all true. Working on America sucks. It's all about maxing efficiency for the least pay possible. No sitting, as few breaks as possible, make things more difficult just because it could mean +0.03% in profits.

I work in a franchise grocery and everyone's hours are cut now that Christmas is over. No big eating holidays until Easter, so we get less people to help out despite it still being busy most days. Those of us who do get hours end up having to do the work of two men to make ends meet. That minimum wage sure takes effort. Don't you dare loving sit down though

I hate this country.

ANUSTART
Jun 26, 2013


ur jiri3-pax(PAD)-ra2 al-tukur2?-re
gu-du-ni an-na-ab-be2
a-ra-/ab-gig-ga\-[(X)]-e-ce


- Wisdom of the ages.
i worked at an animal shelter with a real rear end of a boss that flunked business school or some poo poo anyway she said they were installing cameras to deal with ppl stealing puppies (it happened) but she'd use it to "finally" bust us for sitting (she liked to stealth into buildings to "catch" us) and i quit after a week of that, gj. thats my story thanks

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.
Your manager is just concerned for your health. Thank them profusely imo

ANUSTART
Jun 26, 2013


ur jiri3-pax(PAD)-ra2 al-tukur2?-re
gu-du-ni an-na-ab-be2
a-ra-/ab-gig-ga\-[(X)]-e-ce


- Wisdom of the ages.
i know no one wants to hear about our bad sit-hating managers its just, ouch

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

empty sea posted:

I make it a loving point to sit in that comfy doctor stool every drat time I go in to a room to discuss an estimate with a client. I don't care if they're super keen to sign it or not, but I read it out and explain it and sit in that comfy stool all the same.

Ya'll can go gently caress yourselves, I won't see a penny of that 7k bill the hospital just threw down. I'm just gonna take a minute and speak my words and let myself relax. Let them have a few minutes to ask their questions. poo poo, I got all the time in the world.

Anything else is just lol. Just lol if you work yourself to the bone for some employer on hourly wage. I will sit down and talk to clients for a goddamn hour. I don't give a gently caress.

:hai: I don't do healthcare anymore because gently caress that customer service noise. 100% agree, going to do what I can for the patient and your profits can go gently caress themselves.

shut up blegum
Dec 17, 2008


--->Plastic Lawn<---
I have one of those electric height adjustable desks op. I can work standing up or sitting down whenever I like. Most of the time I just lean back in my chair and stare out the window though.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Next time they tell you to stop sitting just say "oh, sure, I've got hemorrhoids anyway" and see if the mental calculus of which option is more painful gives them a stroke.

Sherry Bahm
Jul 30, 2003

filled with dolphins
I worked multiple retail jobs where me just being young enough to understand computers meant I became (at no benefit to me) the person tasked with handling/troubleshooting their computers. This actually led to me handling online orders and data entry at one particular place on a laptop they had. However, due to lack of an office I had to do the work out front, and was told to do the work while standing with the laptop sitting on a countertop by the wall, instead of sitting down on one of the many tables or couches available.

Since this was one of those "if you can lean you can clean" bosses -- and I was expected to stand all the time anyway -- I simply slacked off on the laptop as much as I could. Killing hours on what I could have probably hammered out in 20-30 minutes -- at a job where my shifts were 4-6 hours on average. It wasn't uncommon for me to spend only 1 or 2 hours of real work on the days I had the computer. And their computer illiteracy meant it would have probably taken them half as long as I took slacking off, so I guess it seemed plausible enough to them that they never questioned it.

The funny thing was that I actually kinda liked working at that place, and had I been allowed to sit, I probably never would have felt petty enough to do the job so slowly in the first place -- which then put me in a position to keep the act up if I didn't want to have to explain why I could do in 30 minutes today what took me an hour and a half just yesterday.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Grape Juice Vampire posted:

Something like this. They also have multiple screens in the main office with feeds of the cameras so they can pop out and nag you for sitting or checking your phone. One of the managers “jokingly” suggested added microphones so they could listen to us, too. It feels silly but that poo poo has made me paranoid, even at home. :tinfoil:

It'll happen before you're dead

Yaldabaoth
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth

Clitch posted:

Americans are so loving steeped in extremist Christian misery porn that they genuinely believe unnecessary labor and physical discomfort are virtuous.

That's just the justification, the real reason is these people are subconsciously misanthropists and these subconscious impulses influence them to make other people miserable regardless of how it affects their own well-being. The boss may think he's making the OP more productive but subconsciously he just wants the OP to suffer because he thinks the OP is inferior to him and must be punished.

Yaldabaoth fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Feb 8, 2020

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
I asked my boss to get me an expensive electrical up-and-down desk or whatever so I could work standing up and he had to buy it for me

Now my back is better and I mostly sit on my rear end again lol

Musharraf
Aug 26, 2004

by Reene

Sex Skeleton posted:

That's a pretty hot take there.

I know at least two people in my life who have been diagnosed but don't fit this stereotype. They've both raised kids and own houses, maintain steady jobs, and generally keep their lives in order. Try again?
Did you miss the rest of that post? What's it called when you laser-focus on the one thing that lets you feel victimized, to the exclusion of everything else? Is it a diagnosable condition? Goondolences...

deported to Canada
Jun 1, 2006

pepsi lover posted:

maybe i should have been more clear, this is a job i used to have now i deliver pizza and i dont have to interact with anyone 90% of the day and it loving owns

Still time to put a claim in for an upper limb disorder/injury associated with a poor manual handling activity.

unknown butthole
Jan 2, 2020

The old customs remain
and the ancient gods live on
My boss is a pretty chill guy who tells me stories about his kids and doesn't mind if I sit.

Sarah Cenia
Apr 2, 2008

Laying in the forest, by the water
Underneath these ferns
You'll never find me
Because America is a hellhole for people who simply want to work, make enough to not be in misery, and go home at the end of the day.

jazzyhattrick
Jul 1, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Me too the fucker, just say he groped you and set a twitter hatemob on him OP. When he eats his gun you may get a new manager who's less of an arsehole.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

The Grimace posted:

Yeah, this is all true. Working on America sucks. It's all about maxing efficiency for the least pay possible. No sitting, as few breaks as possible, make things more difficult just because it could mean +0.03% in profits.

I work in a franchise grocery and everyone's hours are cut now that Christmas is over. No big eating holidays until Easter, so we get less people to help out despite it still being busy most days. Those of us who do get hours end up having to do the work of two men to make ends meet. That minimum wage sure takes effort. Don't you dare loving sit down though

I hate this country.

its not about maximizing efficiency its about hierarchy. your grocery store manager isnt making much money and he gets poo poo on by his boss on the regular, so in turn he will make sure all the people below him are poo poo on twice as much. this man didn't work his way up the grocery store chain of command in order to envy cashiers and their ability to sit!

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Yeah efficiency gains in this structure isn't achieved with "Worker X cleverly figures out how to spit out 11 widgets a day instead of 10", it's "We laid off Worker Y and cut X and Z's hours. Oh, and target production is now 20 widgets per worker per day."

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!
I don't know what old school management style this is because accommodation of a work life balance and in workplace ergonomics is like.... Basic Manager 101 for increasing productivity.

If people are unhappy you need more workers. Happy people mean you save money by not hiring more people.

Erm, I mean. GBS. And captialism bad!

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Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

pepsi lover posted:

I used to work in a factory and one of the parts of my job was making 20 or 30 cardboard boxes at a time. Sitting down made it much more efficient because you didn't have to bend down or move at all, so i could just pump them out quickly and push them down the floor single file. One day my boss walked by and gave me the cockeye and said "What's going on with your work? We don't do alot of sitting around here." so i explained to him that it meant i could do it much faster, and detailed the steps I was taking. His response was "You need to stand or I'll make you do your sitting at home."

So i elaborated that it would take me a good 15-20 minutes longer if i were standing, and given how many times a day I needed to pack inventory, my efficiency would suffer massively as a result. He mumbled something about "being a man" and how "we work hard, and we play hard" and walked away. Later that day I was called into HR and informed I had been given a formal write up.

I have a friend who is a psychiatrist who gave me a doctor’s note at that temp job I had where I was just standing stationary for hours on end, putting together jewelry orders for shipment. I didn’t need to sit the majority of the time. I just needed to sit more than breaks allowed me to. But they were loving militant about no one being allowed to sit for a couple of minutes.

Several times, a supervisors would come over, after I had submitted the letter, and start into their no sitting spiel without letting me get a word in edge-wise, because they really didn’t want to bitch at me about a policy that they realize is stupid as poo poo. And then they’d be all embarrassed when I finally interrupted them and told them to talk to HR, who had my letter on file.

The warehouse did not have lean bars in the work area, and I’m shorter than what the work stations were all set up for, so a lot of times, I was just using the rungs on the bottom of the chair to put a foot up on so that I could change my body position while working.

I was much more efficient and caught a ton of errors after receiving the note because I wasn’t in terrible pain at the 3 hour mark, out of an 8 hour shift, from remaining in basically one position the entire time.

Now I work in a call center where your adherence score decreases if you take any unscheduled breaks, like to refill coffee or water cups, or to go pee. I take a lot of cranberry supplements.

My life kinda sucks.

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