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Zazi posted:Anyway the answer is find yourself a job where no one knows specifically what you should be doing at any given time, and then always make out like you're super busy. They'll be too busy with their own poo poo to hassle you and you can do the menial makework that the job entails until the day someone realises a computer can do it instead True wisdom here. I'd only add 'make sure you have something in your hand'. Walking around with a clipboard or with something you have printed off makes you invisible imo.
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Mooey Cow posted:Cut off their butts deny them their butts, deny them their power!!
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Feb 13, 2020 22:09
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Glenn Quebec posted:I'm glad that the tradition of restaurant owners lying to their idiot, gullible employees about their, invariably, super interesting background before they got into being a restauranteur is universal. No, seriously. They were ex-Yakuza.
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Feb 13, 2020 23:09
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precision posted:No, seriously. They were ex-Yakuza. I think OP is thinking like movie Yakuza, whereas actual Yakuza run like petty insurance scams, illegal gambling and multi level marketing type stuff, just being Yakuza doesn't mean they were contract killers or something
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Feb 14, 2020 00:19
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If he didnt hire a chicken as a property manager I dont want to hear about it
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Feb 14, 2020 02:13
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christmas boots posted:If he didn’t hire a chicken as a property manager I don’t want to hear about it lol I had always suspected something was up, the owner lived in a million dollar mansion even before opening the place, and didn't speak any English. They kept bringing undocumented cooks over from Micronesia. The host guy was this massive muscle dude who looked exactly like Saejima and would routinely fly into roid rage and beat the poo poo out of the cooks. Everyone had tattoos. But I didn't know for sure until one day we got a new waiter, a 22 year old Japanese guy. He was really cool and I talked to him a lot, and he said he used to be a DJ and that his wife still lived in Japan. I was like "uh so why did you decide to come work in Tennessee of all places" and he told me he had made a "mistake" and was working off his punishment. They didn't even let him keep his tips, every night I saw him handing his tips to the owner's wife.
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Feb 14, 2020 02:33
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A Fancy Hat posted:At a previous job we didn't have hard and fast lunch breaks, the basic idea was just "don't go crazy with it" and don't disappear if you have a meeting or you're working on some major time-sensitive issue. Unless of course you were a manager or salesperson, then you were allowed to just disappear for half the day on a "lunch break". I'm curious, how many people are in your office? I can't wrap my head around 3 people leaving together at the same time for over an hour ever going well unless your office has a lot of employees.
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Feb 14, 2020 03:02
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precision posted:lol How many fingats did he have?
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Feb 14, 2020 03:08
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do u believe in marigolds posted:I'm curious, how many people are in your office? I can't wrap my head around 3 people leaving together at the same time for over an hour ever going well unless your office has a lot of employees. Eh, the IT Dept at my job is 8 people split between systems/network/service desk and we routinely have like 4-6 people go out for lunch. Normally we just eat at our desks do taking an hour lunch on the occasional Friday aint a big deal. Never had anything bad happen because of it
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Feb 14, 2020 03:12
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I'm not american but my current boss really doesn't give a poo poo what we do, when we do it or how we do it as long as everything necessary gets done. Like, I can just work from home unannounced or leave early and nobody gives a poo poo. Sometimes people take long lunches and sometimes they don't. Turns out that when you give your workers some leeway and don't treat them like poo poo, they will actually care about doing a good job and morale is really high.
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Feb 14, 2020 11:56
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Yeah I told my manager today that I'm gonna be on my phone a lot cuz I'm finalising a house contract and he's like "cool thanks for letting me know." I don't have to hide in a bathroom stall getting no work done because I know he's reasonable.
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Feb 14, 2020 12:19
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Lol at getting into work 15 minutes early because you don't "work" until your computer is on Buddy you contract me from 9-5 no minute more no minute less, and that starts as soon as I walk through the door. We should be charging you for commute time, not like we can do anything productive for ourselves during that time.
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Feb 14, 2020 15:04
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Fried Watermelon posted:Lol at getting into work 15 minutes early because you don't "work" until your computer is on My favorite was not paying hourly employees for their lunch time and then having them stay another hour/45/30 minutes to make up for being hungry at work. Also pulling them off of lunch because "we need you on the floor." I don't think I'm at a stage in my life where retail is going to ever come into play again, but I'd honestly choose a life of crime over going back to that living hell.
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Feb 14, 2020 15:14
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Fried Watermelon posted:Lol at getting into work 15 minutes early because you don't "work" until your computer is on Read one of those articles that come out every once in a while about how long CEOs work (60 hour work weeks, wow!). Turns out they're counting commute time, "business" dinners, and pretty much any time spent outside the office thinking about work.
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Feb 14, 2020 15:55
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Eh, I know plenty of CEOs and they all put in ungodly amounts of actual work hours. 60 hours a week (like for real, not that stupid chart that shows working out as work time) isn't that far off. It's basically expected of them. Most of them don't even take days off. I get emails all the time at like midnight on Sunday asking me for things. If you want the truly lazy and complacent look at middle management. They're the ones that will put in 30 hour work weeks and put all their family dinners on the corporate card and whatnot.
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Feb 14, 2020 16:11
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Solice Kirsk posted:I get emails all the time at like midnight on Sunday asking me for things. You can get outlook to send an email at a specified later time. Met quite a few people who do this to give the impression they're at it even in the small hours
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Feb 14, 2020 16:35
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Yeah no, there's no amount of work that a CEO could do to justify the cosmic wage gap between them and their employees. Even 80 hours a week at a CEO pay grade is still cushy compared to grueling 40 hours for barely livable wages.
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Feb 14, 2020 16:38
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do u believe in marigolds posted:I'm curious, how many people are in your office? I can't wrap my head around 3 people leaving together at the same time for over an hour ever going well unless your office has a lot of employees. How small have the offices you've worked in been? And what were you doing that the place would collapse if multiple people left at the same time? My office is about 50 people on a campus of about 2000 and most people leave for lunch at the same time. I can understand your concern if you're talking about a smaller call center or maybe a NOC team (which is usually a lot smaller and requires someone physically be there at all times), but standard office drones don't typically redundantly handle a lot of immediate-response stuff.
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Feb 14, 2020 16:45
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Fried Watermelon posted:Lol at getting into work 15 minutes early because you don't "work" until your computer is on My work stresses the really you should always be in early line with well we dont want to have the first few hours just be you waking up and getting ready. If someone legit has an individual problem then deal with them, dont make it a company wide thing.
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Feb 14, 2020 16:52
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precision posted:lol sounds like he was current yakuza. opening a restaurant is money laundering/people smuggling 101, especially if its a buffet Robo Reagan fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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Feb 14, 2020 18:13
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Dr. Gojo Shioji posted:How small have the offices you've worked in been? And what were you doing that the place would collapse if multiple people left at the same time? My office is about 50 people on a campus of about 2000 and most people leave for lunch at the same time. I can understand your concern if you're talking about a smaller call center or maybe a NOC team (which is usually a lot smaller and requires someone physically be there at all times), but standard office drones don't typically redundantly handle a lot of immediate-response stuff. I work in retail, a grocery store. 3 people taking that lunch would shut down around two departments in my store.
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Feb 14, 2020 20:09
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In my experience it seems like the cool managers never stick around. They always move on to a better job and get replaced with someone far worse. My first retail job our manager was a funny, down to earth lady who didn't sweat you with any of that "time to lean, time to clean" crap and she was super fast to get all of the days receipts and tills counted. It's because of how fast she was that we could actually leave after closing within like less than 10 minutes instead of the usual experience where you have to keep pacing around the store and straightening everything that's already been straightened for almost half an hour after your shift has ended. Nope, can't leave till the manager is done and says you can! One time the supervisor under her was another early 20's kid like me who was definitely the sort of person that would lick corporate boot and ask for more reported me for just patrolling the floor after closing but not straightening up (it's already been straightened up during the course of the day). Her way of 'punishing' me for this offense was to make a silly exaggerated stare for 2 seconds at me then walked off. I miss her. Of course, she left after me being there for only a few weeks to a better job and she was replaced with an emotionally cold manager that saw us all as nothing more but worker drones and cared as much. I later heard that same manager went on to join HR in the company which I always found amusing.
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Feb 14, 2020 21:09
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Have you considered forming a union, op? Or better yet, a revolutionary cadre?
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Feb 14, 2020 21:42
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Wicker Man posted:In my experience it seems like the cool managers never stick around. They always move on to a better job and get replaced with someone far worse. People rise to their incompetence and usually can't go any further
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Drimble Wedge posted:The micromanaging at call centres seems designed to drive everyone batshit, like breaks timed to the second. I remember days when we'd have blizzards and police telling everyone to stay home, and managers would still be saying "I came in; YOU should be here too." Yeah, no; if police and fire people are telling everyone to stay home, I am not going anywhere. At home I would always sit in a chair with one leg slightly tucked under me, or else stretched out forward. I would have managers coming around prodding me to sit with my feet on the floor at a 90-degree angle. The tucked foot might have been a bit cheeky but why would they care if my feet were straight out under my own desk? If you nipped over to the bathroom for a break when you weren't scheduled, they'd follow you in there and tell you to go back to work (literally as the waste was leaving your body; I guess people were supposed to stop mid-piss or mid-poo poo and waddle back to their desks in shame) haha, holy poo poo, was this call center in Chicago, because i think i worked there for some years.
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