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counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

This is some serious monkey paw bullshit to live in a world where there are several star trek shows all being made at once but somehow each one is worst than the last.

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Tip
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.


counterfeitsaint posted:

This is some serious monkey paw bullshit to live in a world where there are several star trek shows all being made at once but somehow each one is worst than the last.

That's kinda how it was in the 90s to the early 2000s. We went from DS9 to Voyager to Enterprise.

Who could have guessed that they'd come back almost 20 years later to make something worse than Enterprise.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler


Grimey Drawer

Tip posted:

That's kinda how it was in the 90s to the early 2000s. We went from DS9 to Voyager to Enterprise.

Who could have guessed that they'd come back almost 20 years later to make something worse than Enterprise.

<has watched ST:09, ITD, BEY>
<looks at producer list>
<raises hand>

revwinnebago
Oct 4, 2017


Blistex posted:

Here's hoping that Kurtzman dedicates all his time towards the Silence of the Lambs TV show and just ignores ST:SNW.

Hahaha.

Maybe if people keep giving CBS money no matter what they produce, things will magically get better.

Said just enough people to string along the service for a few more months.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO



CBS' plan is to make terrible trek for an entire generation and then charge a massive amount for DS9 blu rays.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


lol at thinking ds9 will ever get a bluray

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you


Didn't they film ds9 on tape instead of actual film stock? So we'll never get a good HD remaster unless they spend a poo poo load of money?

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS


Nap Ghost

Fashionable Jorts posted:

Didn't they film ds9 on tape instead of actual film stock? So we'll never get a good HD remaster unless they spend a poo poo load of money?

It would be worth every penny.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

We'll make diamonds from their ashes. Take them into battle with us.

Craft a Diamond Dog diamond?
Nah.   Let's do it!




College Slice

Here's a good article that goes into it and why it won't happen economically.
Personally I blame everybody else for DS9 not being popular enough to justify it, I didn't watch Star Trek when it was on the air, but I *would have* been a fan if I had.

pyrotek
May 21, 2004




I bet they'll do HD/4K versions within a few years, they'll just be AI upscales rather than remasters. Better than nothing.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


Shooting on film, converting it all to tape, and doing the final edit from the taped footage is the dumbest process. I get it, it streamlined editing for shows that needed a fast turnover, and editing film was far more laborious and costly. And shows were only expected to ever be seen on low res televisions anyway, so sure why not? But because of it being so shortsighted, it pretty much hosed a lot of shows from ever seeing the light of day in their original 35mm quality due to the insane cost to scan the film and re-edit everything, if the film still exists at all. The first show to ever use that process was the 80's Twilight Zone revival, and they just tossed out the film reels after they converted to tape for editing, so it will always look like rear end. So stupid.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


For pretty much any space show in the late 80s/90s that process was integral to them being able to do as many special effects shots as they did.

piratepilates
Mar 28, 2004

So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.





Origami Dali posted:

Shooting on film, converting it all to tape, and doing the final edit from the taped footage is the dumbest process. I get it, it streamlined editing for shows that needed a fast turnover, and editing film was far more laborious and costly. And shows were only expected to ever be seen on low res televisions anyway, so sure why not? But because of it being so shortsighted, it pretty much hosed a lot of shows from ever seeing the light of day in their original 35mm quality due to the insane cost to scan the film and re-edit everything, if the film still exists at all. The first show to ever use that process was the 80's Twilight Zone revival, and they just tossed out the film reels after they converted to tape for editing, so it will always look like rear end. So stupid.

it is in fact not the dumbest process.

that would be bbc's policy to wipe and re-use videotape masters and old footage in the archives for programs that had already been broadcast. a lot of early doctor who episodes are outright missing, and some have only been hobbled together from random sources (transfers to film, broadcasters from other countries, people at home who just happened to record the episode when it aired).

I guess back then it was just unfathomable that people would want to see these things again in the future. there was such a culture of showing tv once (often just broadcast live) and that's it, it's like a play, once it's done it's over and you move on to something else.

either no one considered the future, or didn't care to consider the future, that we are in where we have home video in different formats, super high quality 4k media accessible to everyone, on demand streaming for shows going back decades, etc.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!


Dinosaur Gum

pyrotek posted:

I bet they'll do HD/4K versions within a few years, they'll just be AI upscales rather than remasters. Better than nothing.

There are people out there using AI to make old rear end porn from the early 00's to HD. Anyone remember Heather Harmon?

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



shadow puppet of a posted:

CBS' plan is to make terrible trek for an entire generation and then charge a massive amount for DS9 blu rays.

lol so youre saying theres a chance

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler


Grimey Drawer

revwinnebago posted:

Hahaha.

Maybe if people keep giving CBS money no matter what they produce, things will magically get better.

Said just enough people to string along the service for a few more months.

Pretty much. CBS isn't getting a cent from me unless they actually make something worthwhile. If SNW turns out to be good, I'll get a subscription.

pyrotek
May 21, 2004




Origami Dali posted:

Shooting on film, converting it all to tape, and doing the final edit from the taped footage is the dumbest process. I get it, it streamlined editing for shows that needed a fast turnover, and editing film was far more laborious and costly. And shows were only expected to ever be seen on low res televisions anyway, so sure why not? But because of it being so shortsighted, it pretty much hosed a lot of shows from ever seeing the light of day in their original 35mm quality due to the insane cost to scan the film and re-edit everything, if the film still exists at all. The first show to ever use that process was the 80's Twilight Zone revival, and they just tossed out the film reels after they converted to tape for editing, so it will always look like rear end. So stupid.

Hypothetically, if they decided to finish everything on film, the extra cost would have had to come from other places in production, leading to far less ambitious shows. Even then, the effects would have been finished at 80s-90s TV picture quality, meaning at best we would have really sharp picture with crappy effects and/or blurrier shots every time they had to composite the image like in TOS.

I think it is much more likely that they would have chosen to shoot on tape to begin with rather than go through that, and then it would look even worse than it does now.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Picard wasn't even tight with Data like that on the show. He was closer to Worf because he got deeply involved in Klingon politics. But whoever was in charge of the movies and this dumb rear end show thought it was all about the Picard/Data relationship.

It was Patrick Stewart's idea because he is dumb. Spiner just went along with it. Patrick Stewart is the Eric Harris to Brent Spiner's Dylan Klebold.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler


Grimey Drawer

Picard and Data were always the fan favourites, and whoever wrote Nemesis decided that it should have a "buddy-cop" formula, which is why 95% of the screen time is dedicated to just them. Also whoever wrote Picard decided that Nemesis was the only TNG worth watching, and pulled heavily from that, which is why we have the Picard & Data lovefest.

Make Picard gay you cowards!

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



lol i had a post written up and really in summation my only bone to pick with that is that its not canonical


E: and tbh idgaf about canon because if they wanted me to, they should have put Bij in an episode. even ds9 would have been sufficient.

their gently caress up not mine

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017



I care less about canon and more about how stupid and lovely they made the Star Trek universe.

Endless Trash
Aug 12, 2007



Animal-Mother posted:

Picard wasn't even tight with Data like that on the show. He was closer to Worf because he got deeply involved in Klingon politics. But whoever was in charge of the movies and this dumb rear end show thought it was all about the Picard/Data relationship.

It was Patrick Stewart's idea because he is dumb. Spiner just went along with it. Patrick Stewart is the Eric Harris to Brent Spiner's Dylan Klebold.

Picard and Data ARE bestest buds in 3 of the 4 TNG movies. You can poo poo on this show for nearly endless reasons but Picard’s relationship with Data was already misinterpreted over two decades ago by dudes who had way less of an excuse to do so.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler


Grimey Drawer

/\ it definitely got ramped up, but Nemesis I think took it to a whole other level.

Peachfart posted:

I care less about canon and more about how stupid and lovely they made the Star Trek universe.



They've made the writing much more stupid, but have increased the technobabble tenfold in an attempt to try and sound smart. The overblown technobabble in later seasons of Voyager (which was getting out of control) was nothing compared to some of the poo poo they were pulling in Disco., and I'm not even talking about the spore drive itself, but the millions of other things surrounding is (Doctor back from the dead) it and the time-travelling stuff (did anyone else just tune out 2 minutes into Burnham and Spock's climactic 15 minute discussion during the season climax?).

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



gently caress you spore drive i hate you

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS


Nap Ghost

Diane Duane did instantaneous travel better in the ST:TOS novel The Wounded Sky and even that was not great.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~






The DS9 technobabble is quite plausible when it comes to O’Brien doing stuff with computers. The explanations for people being able to recover deleted files or hack the whatever subprocess is good enough that you can tell someone who could use a computer was involved in writing it. Lots of talk about log files, encryption, etc

The Picard technobabble is appalling and can be summed up as “complete magic”. Yeah we have a machine that can show exactly what happened in a room. How? It’s because of mysterion particles or whatever, gently caress you

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



positronic farts

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


picard had a hand tool that could do anything you want if you just believed hard enough

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO



Origami Dali posted:

picard had a hand tool that could do anything you want if you just believed hard enough

Yeah. What bullshit.

*goes back to watching the Big Gulp sized prophets do seven seasons of anything for their hardest believers on DS9*

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



shadow puppet of a posted:

*goes back to watching the Big Gulp sized prophets do seven seasons of anything for their hardest believers on DS9*

yep definitely star trek

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.


Would rather watch this for an hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABxL2LrmWoM

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012





Just finished the first season episode where Federation terraformers inadvertently begin killing a microscopic life-form colonial civilization, and they make peace with it and promise to return in 300 years

It’s just...such a gulf from Picard. They seem totally unrelated to one another. This humanist show about exploration and classic science fiction ideas compared to the incoherent kung fu torture explosion hour

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017





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cavjack
5 years ago
Would that door really form a tight seal against that early 90s carpet?


lmao

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
(source)

Velcro undersurface

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

We'll make diamonds from their ashes. Take them into battle with us.

Craft a Diamond Dog diamond?
Nah.   Let's do it!




College Slice

Each strand of carpet an individual miniaturized force field emitter

istewart
Apr 13, 2005
note: is not an Apple product

Origami Dali posted:

picard had a cheap ripoff of the sonic screwdriver from doctor who

or maybe a Green Lantern ring

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

IN THE GRIM BARKNESS
OF THE FUTURE
THERE ARE ONLY DOGS


Nap Ghost

Picard Season 2 Episode 1

Int. STARDOCK CONTROL ROOM, Night (space).

This isn't the STARDOCK you remember. It is DARK and RUSTY.

FLYING CAMERA SWOOP over STARFLEET personnel in leather uniforms and greatcoats.
They wear STARFLEET ARMBANDS.
They are working at HOLO TERMINALS pushing around INDISTINGUISHABLE VISUAL GIBBERISH.

QUICK CUT TO

Int. STARDOCK HANGAR BAY, Night (space).

There is an X-WING FIGHTER on the LANDING PAD

CUT TO CLOSE UP OF FIGHTER COCKPIT

JEAN LUC PICARD is there.

PICARD
Time to rock and roll.

HEAVY METAL MUSIC starts to play.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006



Enterprise was better than Voyager.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

We'll make diamonds from their ashes. Take them into battle with us.

Craft a Diamond Dog diamond?
Nah.   Let's do it!




College Slice

Detective No. 27 posted:

Enterprise was better than Voyager.



The secret last-second twist of the Star Trek universe

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Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you


Nah, Voyager was more fun. While it definitely has some really bad episodes, it's definitely more watchable than Enterprise.

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