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Fashionable Jorts posted:Can we get a SciFi story where sentient AI isn't a threat? It wouldn't really count as a sci-fi story per se, but one of the sourcebooks for the roleplaying game GURPS (the game has got alot of issues with actually being fun and easy to use, but the sourcebooks are mostly excellent, well-researched and applicable even outside of the GURPS framework) which dealt with alternate timelines and poo poo. One of the alternate timelines is called Caliph and is one where the whole world became Muslim, the reason being that in the 9th century the the printing press was invented, which led to scientific method and also steam power was invented in Egypt around the same time (using oil instead of coal). So you pretty much have have a world that had almost a 1000 years headstart on the scientific and industrial revolutions, so in 2000 or so it's Star Trek future land. Anyway there are AIs there and they were quickly identified as being the Djinn mentioned in the Quran, who were created by God from "smokeless fire" which interpreted as being a reference to electricity and that this had to refer to AIs. So the AIs basically have full rights the same as a human and they are all Muslims as well. Not much more detail than that, but it's kind of fun idea for an alternate timeline.
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Randarkman posted:It wouldn't really count as a sci-fi story per se, but one of the sourcebooks for the roleplaying game GURPS (the game has got alot of issues with actually being fun and easy to use, but the sourcebooks are mostly excellent, well-researched and applicable even outside of the GURPS framework) which dealt with alternate timelines and poo poo. One of the alternate timelines is called Caliph and is one where the whole world became Muslim, the reason being that in the 9th century the the printing press was invented, which led to scientific method and also steam power was invented in Egypt around the same time (using oil instead of coal). So you pretty much have have a world that had almost a 1000 years headstart on the scientific and industrial revolutions, so in 2000 or so it's Star Trek future land. Anyway there are AIs there and they were quickly identified as being the Djinn mentioned in the Quran, who were created by God from "smokeless fire" which interpreted as being a reference to electricity and that this had to refer to AIs. So the AIs basically have full rights the same as a human and they are all Muslims as well. Thats actually really cool. GURPs has some pretty good lore tucked away in the madness.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I wanna watch the Orville, but I loving hate Seth McFarlanes dumb face Fair enough. Fashionable Jorts posted:and annoying voice so much. Aw come on, he has a beautiful voice.
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skasion posted:How does one perform salat without a body If they can decide that "smokeless fire" is electricity and that makes AI the Djinn mentioned in the Quran then I think they can probably figure out a solution for this one. Fashionable Jorts posted:Thats actually really cool. GURPs has some pretty good lore tucked away in the madness. Oh yeah, you can say what you want about the rules and the actual game and I'll probably agree with you. But the sourcebooks are mostly amazing and they are specifically written to be broadly applicable and not necessarily require to be used with GURPS. They're mostly just a bunch of info and world building tips. As I said they're also very well researched and can often be a good source of general information about the subjects they are about even, and they've all got extensive bibliographies for further reading. I almost can't say enough good about them.
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Wicker Man posted:I only read the first one, and it was like 4 years ago so I probably missed some fine details pulling it from memory. In later books the AIs are... less sympathetic. They fill an endless labyrinth with human skeletons
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Applewhite posted:Aw come on, he has a beautiful voice. he might, but its impossible to separate it from how lovely of a person he is.
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Applewhite posted:In later books the AIs are... less sympathetic. poo poo, I was wondering what the sequels held. Sorry for the bum recommendation.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:he might, but its impossible to separate it from how lovely of a person he is. Did I miss something and hes the next weinstein sort of guy?
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Did I miss something and hes the next weinstein sort of guy? Yeah I haven't looked into him or anything, but the general impression is he's pretty genial (Dan Povenmire and Jeff Marsh seem to like him). I'd be sad if he turned out to be a sex pest or something.
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most ppl ive encountered simply dont like his success  like the guy is supposed to apologize for making family guy
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Statutory Ape posted:most ppl ive encountered simply dont like his success This is 99.9% it. Pretty much every non-lovely person in Hollywood/Broadway says he's an all around genuinely awesome guy with nice teeth. People hate him because he made a shitload of money on a show that's crappy, which he hasn't written for in over a decade, and the worst part about it is that he forces millions of people to watch it against their will by. . . some means.
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Statutory Ape posted:most ppl ive encountered simply dont like his success Tbqh thats exactly what I heard from other people. Avid haters of family guy are the ones who hate him. Indeed, maniacal hardcore trekkie and a kid that grew up in a family with loving weird af sense of humor (from his eazrly 90s interview, will try to find the source) who makes a fortune off a cartoon that parodies the everliving gently caress out of all and possible stereotypes, moral standards, tropes and persons, and creates explosive jokes about racism pedophelia politics - cannot be loved or even understood by all. But he does seem like a cool and talented person, his co-stars, colleagues and friends seem to like him and enjoy his company.
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yeah. he seems like a decent dude. my sister lives out that way and has partied at his place and her tolerance for actual rear end- tbh, shes a bad barometer but she said he was a cool dude.AntherUslessPoster posted:Tbqh thats exactly what I heard from other people. Avid haters of family guy are the ones who hate him. yeah like, he got to be a huge fuckin nerd and make a cartoon then just put other things hed rather be making (trek, wars, et al) into said cartoon now hes making the best trek show on TV i admire the guy
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I dare you to try to watch A Million Ways to Die in the West. I think it's the last movie I can remember turning off not even midway through. Orville is good. Galaxy Quest did it better.
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DOMDOM posted:I dare you to try to watch A Million Ways to Die in the West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZ1bgOIaAY[ Spoilers for who didn't watch but were planning to.
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DOMDOM posted:I dare you to try to watch A Million Ways to Die in the West. I didn’t hate AMW2DitW. I sort of viewed it as an extended standup bit. Not great but it made me chuckle.
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Wicker Man posted:poo poo, I was wondering what the sequels held. Sorry for the bum recommendation. No way man, that series is awesome. I would definitely recommend that you at least take a look at Fall of Hyperion.
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Orville: When you want a pastiche of things Star Trek did 25+ years ago, with butt humour
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infernal machines posted:Orville: When you want a pastiche of things Star Trek did 25+ years ago, with butt humour So... perfect for me? No but seriously it’s also updated with updated social and technological commentary that might not have occurred to the writers of TNG. Is it as good as TNG? Not quite, but I’d argue it is good Trek.
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I don't think McFarlane has been involved in any sex scandals, he just hates trans people.
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infernal machines posted:Orville: When you want a pastiche of things Star Trek did 25+ years ago, with butt humour tbqh here but he is the family guy guy, to pitch it for fox he had to butt humor it. It gets better in s2 and as they moved to hulu for s3...
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I don't think McFarlane has been involved in any sex scandals, he just hates trans people. Could you elaborate on that?
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AntherUslessPoster posted:tbqh here but he is the family guy guy, to pitch it for fox he had to butt humor it. It gets better in s2 and as they moved to hulu for s3... is hulu orville just gonna be full blown tng s4
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Could you elaborate on that? The quagmire's dad episode is disgusting, and he went on to say “I can safely say that the transsexual community will be very, very happy with the “Quagmire” episode that we have coming up in a couple of months. It’s probably the most sympathetic portrayal of a transsexual character that has ever been on television, dare I say.”, and just a season or so ago used that character to bash trans people again. And while I haven't seen it, I heard theres an Orville episode about gender reassignment that's gross.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:The quagmire's dad episode is disgusting, and he went on to say “I can safely say that the transsexual community will be very, very happy with the “Quagmire” episode that we have coming up in a couple of months. It’s probably the most sympathetic portrayal of a transsexual character that has ever been on television, dare I say.”, and just a season or so ago used that character to bash trans people again. The Family Guy and the South Park guys are really salty about trans people, they’ve both gone out of their way to punch down on trans folks.
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Applewhite posted:So... perfect for me? AntherUslessPoster posted:tbqh here but he is the family guy guy, to pitch it for fox he had to butt humor it. It gets better in s2 and as they moved to hulu for s3... Yeah, that's fair, I'm not making a judgement of quality, I'm just saying that's what the show appears to be, for better or worse
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venomsnek posted:The Family Guy and the South Park guys are really salty about trans people, they’ve both gone out of their way to punch down on trans folks. Yeah, the jokes they make aren't funny, aren't satire, they're just vicious attacks hidden behind "its just a joke"
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Seth doesn't write Family Guy. And he is the last non-sex pest in Hollywood.
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Peachfart posted:Seth doesn't write Family Guy. And he is the last non-sex pest in Hollywood. Yeah, he's just executive producer and voices the trans character in family guy.
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I just don't like is that I'm certain there are other actors that would have been a better fit as the captain on Orville but he wrote the part for himself. He's passable in the role, but he's definitely not good.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Yeah, he's just executive producer and voices the trans character in family guy. Actually, yes. He made the show and he voices several characters. That is all.
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Peachfart posted:Actually, yes. He made the show and he voices several characters. That is all. I don't get what youre trying to say here.
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Lister posted:I just don't like is that I'm certain there are other actors that would have been a better fit as the captain on Orville but he wrote the part for himself. He's passable in the role, but he's definitely not good. It's been Seth's dream since forever to be the captain, so he used insane amounts of political and fiscal capital to make a show where he can be captain. There might be better actors for the role, but none who love Star Trek enough to do that. gently caress, pretty much everyone working on nutrek hates Star Trek. Personally I'm worried that the Orville was dependent on him being the biggest fish in the Fox pond. Now that Disney owns him, his massive successes that made him able to get that show done are dwarfed by billion dollar franchises and has to suddenly compete with grimdark hispec on the left and Star Wars on the right.
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chaosbreather posted:gently caress, pretty much everyone working on nutrek hates Star Trek. I don't know that this is true. I can't decide if it's more likely that they like Star Trek for some reason and what they've made is the best their, um... bad? sensibilities can produce, or if they just see it as a paycheck and therefore most of their "creative" decisions are driven by whatever they think will bring in fans. But do they really hate it? I suppose any difference that makes no difference is no difference.
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Tighclops posted:I don't know that this is true. I can't decide if it's more likely that they like Star Trek for some reason and what they've made is the best their, um... bad? sensibilities can produce, or if they just see it as a paycheck and therefore most of their "creative" decisions are driven by whatever they think will bring in fans. But do they really hate it? I think they might feel like they’re saving Star Trek by  refurbishing its reputation.“Maybe we can get other people into the rest of Star Trek if, in these new shows, we replace the technobabble and optimism with swearing, drugs, murder, and Klingon titties?” Or maybe they’re just opportunistic fuckers who saw money to be made in farting out new content for a legacy franchise. Who can say?
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Tighclops posted:I don't know that this is true. I can't decide if it's more likely that they like Star Trek for some reason and what they've made is the best their, um... bad? sensibilities can produce, or if they just see it as a paycheck and therefore most of their "creative" decisions are driven by whatever they think will bring in fans. But do they really hate it? I think it’s more like, a lot of the people working on it are too “behind the scenes” to get any joy out of classic Trek as a viewer. Some of the actors, like Meaney and Burton, sound like they cared about the Trek message and values. Others who were heavily involved in PIC, like Stewart and Frakes, seem to regard it as a bit of a joke and just some stupid laser gun scifi show they worked on for ages. They want to have fun making those characters run around blowing people up, travel to cool blade runner planets, and have sword fights. The writers are presumably the same, they’ve been working in tv for ages and are kind of bored of it, they just want to have some fun and make something “cool” with an established setting that will make money. It’s like how I might talk to a customer of my software and they’ll tell me how much it helps their daily work and what a good job I did on it. But I know I mostly just work on that software for money and because I enjoy programming, not really because I so deeply care about the good of the users. And I’ve seen all the stupid behind-the-scenes bickering and corner-cutting and hacking, so that all I see when use the software is a tired, boring, tedious thing that needs more new exciting cool features. They need some fresh blood on the writing/production team, probably
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