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I think it makes more sense when it's more like "hey, don't just go around handing out free warp drives to less developed planets" and less when it's "just let this planet die to some natural disaster, unless you become consciously aware a small child exists on it". Like said above, just too many writers without a single unified vision on what it meant or how to use it.
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gbs but from 2004 posted:Already been said, but the Orville is what you’re looking for Yeah thanks for the tip, I'm gonna check it out soon!
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not a Star Trek fan but I've watched the first three episodes, mostly. It seems decent, just decent There's some new show coming out with Hugh Laurie on an intergalactic cruise ship that looks kinda fun
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Feb 10, 2020 18:40
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hope it's a scifi remake of the Jeeves And Wooster cruise ship episode
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Son of Rodney posted:Yeah thanks for the tip, I'm gonna check it out soon! The first few episodes are a little rough as some of the humour seems kind of forced but I’m convinced Seth macfarlane did it because he pitched the show as ‘family guy in space’ to get it greenlit then did what he wanted once the suits had stopped watching after a few eps
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gbs but from 2004 posted:The first few episodes are a little rough as some of the humour seems kind of forced but I’m convinced Seth macfarlane did it because he pitched the show as ‘family guy in space’ to get it greenlit then did what he wanted once the suits had stopped watching after a few eps I keep thinking I need to give that another try. I just couldn't get into this first few episodes, but I've heard from a few people that it does improve a lot.
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Fallows posted:Its pretty good actually
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A Very Sexy Baby posted:"Picard" is ignoring the gently caress out of DS9 and that makes me sad. JLP said to the reporter "you're a stranger to war" when San Francisco got flattened by the Dominion during her teens/20s. Well I mean compared to someone in Starfleet during the Dominion War she would know next to nothing. I wonder how much Earth would've even had to suffer during the war, aside from the Breen attack.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:07
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Aren't there still little manta ray brain worm things controlling the highest tiers of the Federation? Much like the whole "warp travel is actually ripping the universe apart!" thing, the brain slugs seemed super important but were never resolved.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:06
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BoldFrankensteinMir posted:Aren't there still little manta ray brain worm things controlling the highest tiers of the Federation? Much like the whole "warp travel is actually ripping the universe apart!" thing, the brain slugs seemed super important but were never resolved. You're talking about the ones from early TNG before the Borg, right? What do you mean when you say they were "never resolved"? They blew up the queen bug inside that adjutant guy in the control room and the rest of the bugs died without it. Unless you just mean that they never came back again , which yeah I guess leaves it unresolved in that they are potentially still out there, thinking about thos Feds.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:17
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I was secretly hoping Picard would be the surprise sequel where they finally showed up again but nope. Probably for the best when their super secret infiltration plan depends on everyone not being checked to see if they have a small tentacle sticking out the back of their head.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:18
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Just caught up with the episodes and can’t wait for the next one
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Feb 10, 2020 22:24
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I'm a person who waits until something has been out a while before binging on it. I heard that their retconning starfleet as some kind of racist/facist org, or being full of them? Is that true? Because lol if they have.
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This show sucks, pilot was okay, turned off the second episode about twenty minutes in. It's really bad folks.
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Chomp8645 posted:You're talking about the ones from early TNG before the Borg, right? What do you mean when you say they were "never resolved"? I always thought that would have been a good topic fora movie as the following from memory alpha states: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Conspiracy_(episode) Back aboard the Enterprise-D, Picard notes in his log that Admiral Quinn will make a full recovery, and with the death of the "mother creature" inside of Remmick, the remaining parasites died while Riker reveals that Dr. Crusher had simulated the gill on the back of his neck in order to fool everyone, including Picard. As the Enterprise-D moves on into space, Data theorizes that the message Remmick was transmitting at the time he died was a homing beacon. As the Enterprise moves on through space, the sound of electronic beeping is heard, focused on an unexplored patch of the galaxy, leaving the ominous possibility that some or all of Remmick's message might still reach its intended recipients, letting the parasites know where to find Earth.
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Chomp8645 posted:You're talking about the ones from early TNG before the Borg, right? What do you mean when you say they were "never resolved"? Okay you're right, I looked it up and they all died with their queen. What I was thinking of was, at the end of that episode they send a "homing beacon" to some uncharted part of the galaxy. So that never gets resolved but I guess it could just have not amounted to anything. Or the brainworms and the borg are buds or something, I dunno. Awesome exploding head effect in that ep though, Star Trek with gore effects is wonderful: memory-alpha posted:A mold of Paul Newman's face was filled with raw meat and then blown up to create the effect used when Picard and Riker fire on Remmick, but both Rick Berman and Peter Lauritson were concerned that it was too graphic. Dan Curry invited his six-year-old son to watch the episode in order to test how children would react to it; the boy reportedly liked it so much that he suggested the creation of a Remmick action figure whose head would blow up by pressing a button. This resulted in Berman deciding to air the episode uncut with the full sequence included. The speed-limit on warp thing is much more egregious, there's an entire memory-alpha page devoted to all the convenient excuses, throw-away-lines and non-canon explanations about it .
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Ralph Crammed In posted:Also the Romulan brother and sister are pretty incesty and I haaaaate that that's just something they slip into TV now. Don't watch Locke and Key then.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:48
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Captain Hygiene posted:I was sorta hoping he'd be revealed in the pilot to have like three dozen kids, having devoted the time since quitting Starfleet to making babies basically nonstop. he should go to that clone world from S1 TNG. they were begging for new DNA
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Feb 10, 2020 22:50
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BoldFrankensteinMir posted:This is a good point. If you're gonna go so far as to think "well why help anybody if it might possibly go wrong?" then being an explorer/diplomat is a really weird choice of profession. And you can't really argue that you're protecting people's agency by making a decision for them, behind their backs, based on your values not theirs. its worse than that. in the Voyager episode "Futures End" we find out that microprocessors and basically all computer technology on earth was plagiarized by some evil businessman who found a crashed time machine
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Feb 10, 2020 23:01
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Rutibex posted:its worse than that. in the Voyager episode "Futures End" we find out that microprocessors and basically all computer technology on earth was plagiarized by some evil businessman who found a crashed time machine Berlinghoff Rasmussen.
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Feb 10, 2020 23:07
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Rutibex posted:its worse than that. in the Voyager episode "Futures End" we find out that microprocessors and basically all computer technology on earth was plagiarized by some evil businessman who found a crashed time machine Ugh. So the whole "humans should be proud of their tech prowess!" thing is completely hollow, great. It's kinda like, have you seen that new Lost in Space show? The robot is actually an alien robot now and humans don't know how to build their own robots which just boggles my mind, of all the meaningful and timely topics you could discuss in your scifi show, why throw away the one that's a crystallizing image for the whole franchise?
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Feb 10, 2020 23:20
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I guess this is the same way they screwed up Battlestar Galactica?
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Pretty much, and I've got my eye on the way they handle androids on Picard too. We very badly need to have serious conversations about the societal impact of real robots but a lot of scifi TV shows, the obvious outlet for that, have dropped the ball lately in the interest of the viewers' comfort and that sucks.
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Feb 10, 2020 23:26
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spacetoaster posted:I'm a person who waits until something has been out a while before binging on it. I don't know a lot about Star Trek so I'm not sure if it's "retconning". The plot seems to be that Starfleet changed significantly after this huge attack by synthetic workers where Starfleet refused to help or something. Became more isolationist and sketchy, I dunno about racist or fascist I've only seen a few episodes.
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BoldFrankensteinMir posted:Pretty much, and I've got my eye on the way they handle androids on Picard too. We very badly need to have serious conversations about the societal impact of real robots but a lot of scifi TV shows, the obvious outlet for that, have dropped the ball lately in the interest of the viewers' comfort and that sucks. dont worry, black mirrors got you
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Chomp8645 posted:You're talking about the ones from early TNG before the Borg, right? What do you mean when you say they were "never resolved"? They were originally supposed to be the basis for the Borg, but that angle was dropped.
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spacetoaster posted:I'm a person who waits until something has been out a while before binging on it. The end of Insurrection basically discussed this
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Rutibex posted:dont worry, black mirrors got you Right, and even then I'm not saying everything has to be apocalyptic cautionary tales. If Star Trek: Picard was more like, for example Robot and Frank, and instead of having twenty minute long rooftop kung-fu fight scenes old Jean-Luc just needed an android to help him stand up in the shower or administer his insulin, I think that'd be a lot more effective commentary and probably a better story in general.
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Feb 11, 2020 02:08
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LOL I've wished for more talk and less action too but the rooftop scene is literally less than two minutes long total.
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I just wanna see Patrick Stewart with old-man face bandaids and an IV stand that he calls Mr. Data, shuffling down halls in a hospital gown and barking orders at nurses because he thinks he's still on the Enterprise bridge. Is that so much to ask?
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Feb 11, 2020 02:32
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BoldFrankensteinMir posted:I just wanna see Patrick Stewart with old-man face bandaids and an IV stand that he calls Mr. Data, shuffling down halls in a hospital gown and barking orders at nurses because he thinks he's still on the Enterprise bridge. Is that so much to ask?
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Feb 11, 2020 03:00
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Man it's too bad we can't have Patrick Stewart inserted into that part of the role now that he finally looks really old. That was a great finale but it has to try really hard to overcome old person makeup.
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Feb 11, 2020 03:07
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Yeah or have him do like a play version of The Inner Light.
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They should retcon the TNG movies by taking them off all media formats and never mentioning them again. Like, was even one remotely good? No.
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I thought everyone either (a) loved First Contact but not the others, or (b) loved the others but not First Contact
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the inner 4 lights.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I thought everyone either (a) loved First Contact but not the others, or (b) loved the others but not First Contact I think its the every odd number Star trek movie curse or whatever. The Motion Picture was awful, but Wrath of Khan was good, Search For Spock was bad (I liked it myself), the "One with the whales" was good, Final Frontier bad, Undiscovered country good, Generations bad, First Contact good. Don't know about after that.....
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Blistex posted:Put this in the OP, and at the top of every page. Full size! I don't trust a 40 year old man with the hairline of a 12 year old girl. There's something shifty about it... wesleywillis posted:I think its the every odd number Star trek movie curse or whatever. The even/odd thing was true but I still like the odd ones up to Generations. Yeah even the one everyone hates. 
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Bodyholes posted:Yeah even the one everyone hates. Nemesis is the only absolute dogshit one, imo. At least the other bad ones have some heart and decent moments/story ideas.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I thought everyone either (a) loved First Contact but not the others, or (b) loved the others but not First Contact The only good Star Trek movies were the TOS ones, and I don't even like TOS that much. The TNG movies are loving garbage.
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